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NHTSA Probes 1999-2003 GM Trucks for Possible Rusted Brake Lines

There are 70 comments on the Motor Trend story from Apr 7, 2010, titled NHTSA Probes 1999-2003 GM Trucks for Possible Rusted Brake Lines. In it, Motor Trend reports that:

Late last week, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration opened investigations into roughly 6.2 million General Motors fullsize trucks for issues related to rusted brake lines.

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Gustavo Meehavo

Kernersville, NC

#1 Apr 7, 2010
Oh my this is not good at all.

6.2 million vehicles affected and this is not as easy as replacing a gas pedal. This would costs thousands of dollars per vehicle to rectify.

Let's hope it isn't so!
whatever

Lincolnshire, IL

#2 Apr 7, 2010
WOW! We definitely couldn't see this coming. Let's add up the recalls in the last year:

6.2 mil for their trucks
1.3 mil for their cars (Cobalts and Buicks)

That's 7.5 million GM vehicles recalled within the last year!! Toyota move over. GM will be recall king by the end of the year!!
Ulf

Kernersville, NC

#3 Apr 8, 2010
The biggest concern is the shear cost to replace the rusty brake lines.

It would be a massive undertaking in terms of parts, labor hours, facilities, and logistics.

This could bankrupt GM all over again.
Was GM defrauded

East Hampton, NY

#4 Apr 8, 2010
There are reports on the web about Buick, Pontiac, and Olds sedans having this issue.

Was GM defrauded by a supplier?
whatever

Lincolnshire, IL

#5 Apr 8, 2010
Ulf wrote:
The biggest concern is the shear cost to replace the rusty brake lines.
It would be a massive undertaking in terms of parts, labor hours, facilities, and logistics.
This could bankrupt GM all over again.
And they're an automaker that can't afford to lose any money.

On a sidenote you can always tell when JJFADS has been on a thread even though he didn't write anything. He makes his mark by judging people that don't agree with him as clueless, nuts or spam. It makes him feel better about himself.
Gustavo Meehavo

Kernersville, NC

#6 Apr 8, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
And they're an automaker that can't afford to lose any money.
On a sidenote you can always tell when JJFADS has been on a thread even though he didn't write anything. He makes his mark by judging people that don't agree with him as clueless, nuts or spam. It makes him feel better about himself.
This is an even bigger issue than unintended acceleration.

The failure of the brake components is very concerning.

GM cannot afford to recall 6.2 million vehicles.
whatever

Lincolnshire, IL

#7 Apr 8, 2010
Gustavo Meehavo wrote:
<quoted text>This is an even bigger issue than unintended acceleration.
The failure of the brake components is very concerning.
GM cannot afford to recall 6.2 million vehicles.
That it is. GM really needs to pick up its quality if it wants to compete successfully. 6.2 million probes into its quality doesn't set an example.
Gustavo Meehavo

Chambersburg, PA

#8 Apr 8, 2010
whatever wrote:
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That it is. GM really needs to pick up its quality if it wants to compete successfully. 6.2 million probes into its quality doesn't set an example.
I will play the consumer advocate here and suggest that GM voluntarily call back the trucks and replace the brake lines with stainless steel versions that won't corrode.

GM owes it to its very owners (taxpayers) to correct this situation.
transamsports

Silverdale, WA

#9 Apr 8, 2010
oh now.. they are supposed to be capitalizing on toyota's miss-fortune now.. not joining them.

http://www.transamsports.com
whatever

Lincolnshire, IL

#10 Apr 9, 2010
Gustavo Meehavo wrote:
<quoted text>I will play the consumer advocate here and suggest that GM voluntarily call back the trucks and replace the brake lines with stainless steel versions that won't corrode.
GM owes it to its very owners (taxpayers) to correct this situation.
Very true. I demand a recall and I want it now. haha...

Watch how I get judged. I know big brother....er I mean JJFADS is watching us. He loves to judge me badly because it makes him feel like a big man when he does.
Gustavo Meehavo

Kernersville, NC

#11 Apr 9, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Very true. I demand a recall and I want it now. haha...
Watch how I get judged. I know big brother....er I mean JJFADS is watching us. He loves to judge me badly because it makes him feel like a big man when he does.
It costs about $1000 to replace the brake lines on a vehicle per GM's service tech manual. This would put GM in a $6.2 BILLION bind.

I guess them loans aren't going to get paid back. Looks like the IPO will wait until GM can't figure this one out.
whatever

Lincolnshire, IL

#12 Apr 9, 2010
Gustavo Meehavo wrote:
<quoted text>It costs about $1000 to replace the brake lines on a vehicle per GM's service tech manual. This would put GM in a $6.2 BILLION bind.
I guess them loans aren't going to get paid back. Looks like the IPO will wait until GM can't figure this one out.
That's a lot of dough that GM doesn't have right now. IPO will be sometime next year if you ask me.
Ulf

Kernersville, NC

#13 Apr 9, 2010
If this really costs GM $6.2 Billion like one expert predicted, it could be the end of GM as we know it.

Obama might have to seek congressional funding to keep the life support on.
Ulf

Chambersburg, PA

#14 Apr 9, 2010
The rust is scary.
Ulf

Chambersburg, PA

#15 Apr 10, 2010
The probe is widening, soon all GM vehicles will be under investigation.

GM didn't have enough nickel in the material.
Ulf

Chambersburg, PA

#16 Apr 11, 2010
Saw a GMC truck today with corroded brake lines. Owner blew out a rear line in the parking lot of the clubhouse. Swore he'd never buy a GM product again.

How do you put a price on losing a customer for life?
Rusty Brakes

Chambersburg, PA

#17 Apr 11, 2010
And all along we just accepted that GM trucks had a spongey pedal, but that it was by design.
whatever

Lincolnshire, IL

#18 Apr 12, 2010
Go figure!

If you want to drive something dependable and long-lasting, STEER CLEAR of these vehicles.

With a 22% improvement in sales last month, and despite the six-month,$4.3 billion loss it announced Wednesday, General Motors is likely to have its strongest spring and summer in years. Plus, the automaker had critically acclaimed new products at the recent New York Auto Show and the much-anticipated Chevrolet Volt is due out this fall.

Year-over-year sales of GM's Cadillac division alone are up almost 76%; sales in the Buick, Chevrolet and GMC divisions were each up more than 40% for March. The industry as a whole was up 24.3%.

Unfortunately just because GM's cars are selling well now doesn't mean they're the best bet for durability or value -- yet. It'll take awhile before GM's new direction shows up in tangible new products at the dealership.

Four of the seven vehicles on our list of the worst-made cars on the road come from GM brands. And all of the cars on the list -- including Chrysler's Dodge Nitro and Jeep Wrangler -- are made by Detroit's Big Three. Only one car on the list is made by Ford Motor.

Aside from the Aveo, though, most of the worst-made cars on our list aren't cars at all -- they're trucks and SUVs. Besides the Colorado, GMC's $16,985 Canyon and Ford's $28,020 F-250 received some of the lowest scores of any vehicles we considered. The Canyon SLE, for instance, was listed by Consumer Reports as one of the worst values of any 2010 vehicle and as one of the least reliable new vehicles on the market this year. It received just two out of five power circles on J.D. Power's overall dependability rating.

The F-250 Lariat earned both the "worst value" and "worst safety performance" distinctions from Consumer Reports this year. It received an overall score of just 37 out of 100 points for predicted reliability, fuel economy, depreciation, ride, owner costs, accident avoidance, front-seat comfort, acceleration and owner satisfaction.
Gustavo Meehavo

Kernersville, NC

#19 Apr 12, 2010
Rusty Brakes wrote:
And all along we just accepted that GM trucks had a spongey pedal, but that it was by design.
The spongey GM brake pedal is caused by the rust, it's not by design, but rather by specifying poor raw materials.
Ulf

Kernersville, NC

#20 Apr 13, 2010
Where are the pundits?

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