Residents upset over return of swap meet on Dyer

Full story: El Paso Times

Just when residents near the Discount Mall in the 5600 block of Dyer Street thought problems with trash left behind by flea market vendors during weekends was over, the merchants have returned.
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KeepFleaMkt

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Jun 8, 2009
 
Yea bring back the flea market!
ElPGAL

Fredericksburg, VA

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Jun 8, 2009
 
My sister lives in that area. More than once men urinated on her back yard fence in full view of her back door. She used to clean up the trash left behind by the vendors and buyers. It wasn't a pretty sight. I hope Susie Byrd can find a way to keep the flea market from coming back. It was always a trash fest.
James

Richardson, TX

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#3
Jun 8, 2009
 
There is a good reason they're nicknamed "Flea" markets.

A controlled venue like the 1st Monday in Canton Tx or Traders Village in Grand Prairie Tx allow for vendors to sell their merchandise & for it to be more of a place to go, on purpose, rather than avoid altogether. I understand folks trying to support their family's, but showing lack of respect to others that live in this vicinity makes me not really give a hoot about them, they sure don't care about others, reference the trash left behind.
Dave

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Jun 8, 2009
 
If the property is valued at $1.5 Million in the real world, Rubin should just sell it to the City of El Paso for $4.5 Million so taxpayers can build another bus transfer station.
NE is Third World

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#5
Jun 8, 2009
 
Northpark Mall or Discount Mall. What's the difference? It's all trash in the NE.
El Paso Refugee

Edwards, CO

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Jun 8, 2009
 
Dave wrote:
If the property is valued at $1.5 Million in the real world, Rubin should just sell it to the City of El Paso for $4.5 Million so taxpayers can build another bus transfer station.
I love it! You're absolutely right. Sell it back to the city. In addtion to the latest unnecessary bus station they can build the "Almost Northeast" police command center and a WIC market to give the neighborhood character.
wow

El Paso, TX

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Jun 8, 2009
 
Have you ever thought that not everyone selling at the fleamarket is mexican and that a lot of new stuff is sold there too. That Dyer fleamarket is a trash heap is because of the management there they don't give a hoot about anything but making money. The Northeast Traders Market was always clean and a pleasure for anyone to go there and if the city would not have closed it because of their bus terminal most of the vendors would not have returned. But have no fear most of the vendors that where at northeast traders market will leave as soon as a new spot can be found for them. So just give it a little time.
i want my share

El Paso, TX

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Jun 8, 2009
 
i have been there, i have seen very few permits posted. Who is in charge of policing the "market". i would like to know what amount of money gets reported, and how much in taxes is paid to the city vs how much the city spends to collect the trash from there.
they want taxes paid on yard sale stuff, there should be plenty of taxes paid from the flea markets.
El Guapo

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Jun 8, 2009
 
They sell good p/o/r/n there at that market 3 for 10 bucks!
Caramel

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Jun 8, 2009
 
I thought they were finally going to clean up Dyer street. I don't go out there much but I noticed the old Discount Mall just sitting there. I don't live out there nor go to the flea market. I do think the northeast is often passed over for the serious upgrades it can use.
wow

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Jun 8, 2009
 
i want my share wrote:
i have been there, i have seen very few permits posted. Who is in charge of policing the "market". i would like to know what amount of money gets reported, and how much in taxes is paid to the city vs how much the city spends to collect the trash from there.
they want taxes paid on yard sale stuff, there should be plenty of taxes paid from the flea markets.

And there is they all pay taxes and fees for permits if they are honest as far as I know Dyer fleamarket manager never even bothered to check if anyone has a permit because they are to busy collecting money from the vendors and cleanup is not done by the city it should be done by the owner of the property or the renter/leaser.
torgo

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Jun 8, 2009
 
why don't they just build a SUPER DOLLAR GENERAL...
NE Princess

El Paso, TX

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#14
Jun 8, 2009
 
I would rather the drive-in theater come back to that location! Anyone remember it?
Dave

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Jun 8, 2009
 
NE Princess wrote:
I would rather the drive-in theater come back to that location! Anyone remember it?
Yes, we used to go there -- it closed in 1975. Things have changed since it opened September 21, 1957:

"Formal opening of Del Norte Theater in Logan Heights, second open air drive-in movie place built here by E.L. Pack and C.A. Richter at a cost approximating $150,000, is scheduled for 6:45 p.m. Thursday.

The 15-acre site on the Alamogordo Highway is two blocks beyond William Beaumont General Hospital.

Pack and Richter have invested about $270,000 in drive-in theaters in this area. W.R. Oakes is their city manager.

The first theater, on Chelsea opened June 20, 1946.

A Southwestern touch is the large painting on the upper front part of the theater building. This scene depicts three Indian warriors, mounted on their ponies, watching a wagon train of settlers crawling through the Pass to the North and into El Paso.

Outstanding in the list of new equipment are individual speakers, the volume of which, like a home radio receiver, can be adjusted to suit anybody's preference or hearing.

The speakers hang on a hook on a post, whose height is convenient for the autoist. All he has to do is to reach out of the car window, get the speaker and locate it anywhere he pleases.

The spacious arrangement of the parking grounds, which will accommodate 500 cars, is such that when an autoist wants to leave, all he has to do is to drive straight ahead.

The grounds have been asphalted. Ramps for parked cars also are elevated.

The latest R.C.A. 250-watt system has been installed to assure the best possible results in all broadcasts. C.W. Wolfe, sound engineer of the organization, was sent here to make the installation.

Rows of seats have been put in for those who walk in and a supervised play ground planned.

Pack said the entrance grounds are to be beautified. A park area has been laid out and in this will be planted trees, flowers and shubbery."

From the El Paso Times' Tales from the Morgue.
James Dean Silva

El Paso, TX

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#18
Jun 8, 2009
 
Wow! Living in Tucson the past few years and visiting the swap meet there is quite a treat for anyone, especially tourists. Tucson is backwards in may areas such as El Paso. But Susie, you are wrong on this one.

When trash blows on my property from up the street on a windy day which btw is quite often, I clean it up. Just as I can't blame Walmart, Target the neighbors nor should the city try and fault with people trying to make a living, it's open space.

Tax payers in El Paso should be up in arms over the county working four days and cutting services off to the people. Who serves who in this town Susie. Provide or require trash containers for all vendors and more than enough portable bathrooms so people get the picture.

A well run swap meet is an attraction to any major city. But small minds are what run this city and county. Not to mention payoffs, I'm sorry, did I say that out loud.

Susie, try and remember why you are a city representative, "bring me solutions not problems" and "when you help others get what they want, eventually you'll get what you what". Not a bad start for a veteran politician don't you know.

While others are trying to stimulate the economy, ask yourself what your role is.

proud el pasoan

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#19
Jun 8, 2009
 
Now wonder we hardly have anything in EP. Since I have left I have realized how close minded and negative ALOT of El Pasoans are. The flea was probably one of the only things to do on a Sunday besides Music under the stars in EP. The Flea is a great reminder of El Paso Childhood memories and whatever is left of our culture. KEEP IT!!!!!!!

Since: Apr 09

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Jun 8, 2009
 
Many people live out of this; they support their families and pay for their children's education. I don't think it is right when people complain about them when the only thing they're doing is to work," Rubin said in Spanish.

I am curious as to why she would say that in Spanish? Speaking of education? Anyways, the swap meet is an eyesore. I certainly don't see the proprietors offering to clean up the trash. Do they even pay for it? Why not use that space for legitmate businesses? Ones that could actually provide income to the area? If the sellers want to make a living, have them open a shop there. Turn into a respectable business. I'm not sure why there isn't better business there. If that's the kind of inviroment you want, then it certainly doesn;t need to apply to the whole area. The point I am trying to make is, get rid of such an eyesore. Respectable businesses have resepctable appearances. Get rid of the trash and make something a bit better.
Saddened

El Paso, TX

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#21
Jun 8, 2009
 
What's all the fussin' for? Have you SEEN the houses 'round that area? I thought the 2-mile radius around the discount mall was part of a bigger, nastier flea market. Calmela upscale...mira mira...elshingon wess sirer...fui fui
wow

El Paso, TX

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Jun 9, 2009
 
If the sellers want to make a living, have them open a shop there. Turn into a respectable business. I'm not sure why there isn't better business there. The point I am trying to make is, get rid of such an eyesore. Respectable businesses have resepctable appearances. Get rid of the trash and make something a bit better.
Answering you question about opening a shop most of the vendors cannot afford the rents the insurance and the skyhigh fees as a business owner. The City has so many rules and regulations that you have to have a pretty good amount of money to even try to attempt to open a store and as someone on here said that part of El Paso is all around an eyesore matter of fact the further down dyer you go it looks very drab.But then again the city dont really care until the want something. Also blaming teh vendors there for all the trash is wrong too, a lot of the costumers just drop their stuff all over the place instead of using the trash cans in the rows. and once again blame the management for not providing enough of them or enough restrooms. Fleamarkets are a good thing in these times lots of people can buy new stuff for halve or less of what a store charges. I am not defending Dyer fleamarket it's an eyesore and it needs to get cleaned up or be gone but fleamrkets if run right will never look like that.In that case you have to go to the city and complain or contact your representative and tell them what a lousy job they have done not making sure that they keep the place clean.
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#23
Jun 9, 2009
 
I now live in Houston and we have several "flea markets" or "trade markets". The difference - most are held indoors. Why not rent out the indoor space of the large old store sitting at the top of the parking lot - keeps any flying debris/trash in the store and ensures all vendors have paid to get in and set up. The situation on Dyer reminds me more of the outdoor markets in Mexico (the ones that are not well kept that is). If the large building is unleased, it would be in everyone's better interest to put the booths up inside the building - but then the management company could not plan on "leasing it to a grocery store". Well there are a lot of vacant shops in that strip - remodel. But that would mean an investment on the part of the developer. The developer is responsible for this problem just as much as the folks he/she allows in.

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