Airline Pilots Union to Turn Its Attention to Poor Wages at Regional Airlines

Apr 27, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Skift

Members of the American Airlines pilots union, flight attendants union and other unionized employees march from the Airline Pilots Association office to American Airlines Headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas.

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Jim

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First time those union jerks actually walked in 20 years....
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AA offered me a job starting at 16K...I got up and walked out while laughing hysterically.
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Worked for PSA ( an America Airlines regional) airlines, made more on unemployment
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The scum management of the airlines in the USA deserves all the misery that they get while trying the screw the pilots that allow them to operate.
Happy to be out of the US

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If all the pilots working for these substandard airlines would just walk out and go to work for foreign airlines they would make much better wages and cripple the US carriers. Vote with your feet and you will be glad you did. Once you see how the rest of the world is operating airlines in relation to the US aviation industry you will see that it is you in the US who are 3rd world now.
now retired

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If it is so onerous (and I know it is), the regional pilots are going to have to help themselves- en masse. They are going to say NO! Believe me, the travelling public hates regional jets as much as the crews hate their paychecks. Fly big boy planes and make big boy wages. The public is right behind you.
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Apr 27, 2014
 
For the most part I believe that crew members should get well paid . Sometimes it appears they are over paid. But in the cases of quick judgment calls--whether its the flight crew or the cabin attendants they are grossly underpaid! If I'm on aflight I sure as h---- want the guys up front and/or the guys in the front to what they are doing, going to do, and know the possible results of their decisions!!
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huge issue and what unions were built for
p-51 guy

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pilots don't want to fly, then get a job a Mcdonalds !
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p-51 guy wrote:
pilots don't want to fly, then get a job a Mcdonalds !
. They are going overseas. Google Great Lakes Airlines. Read why management can't find any pilots. They are canceling flights because pilots won't fly for $16,000/yr... Flipping burgers (after few yrs)$9/hr x 40/wk =$360 per week . x 4=$1,540 a month. X 12 months=$ 18,480. So you'r probably right. You can make more at McDonalds than flying a plane .
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I have seen the best of the regionals and the down hill slide for most of them.
I got out in time. pedro is too busy chasing the women in the office then running an airline.. that is fact not fiction... he said there is plenty of pilots.. wrong there isn't...
Ray

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Happy to be out of the US wrote:
If all the pilots working for these substandard airlines would just walk out and go to work for foreign airlines they would make much better wages and cripple the US carriers. Vote with your feet and you will be glad you did. Once you see how the rest of the world is operating airlines in relation to the US aviation industry you will see that it is you in the US who are 3rd world now.
Cool story. The RLA law allows the airlines to throw the workers in jail if they quit/walk out/strike.
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now retired wrote:
If it is so onerous (and I know it is), the regional pilots are going to have to help themselves- en masse. They are going to say NO! Believe me, the travelling public hates regional jets as much as the crews hate their paychecks. Fly big boy planes and make big boy wages. The public is right behind you.
I'm sure they WOULD fly "big boy planes" if they could. Regionals are a good way for younger aviators to build hours! Personally, I L*O*V*E flying smaller planes.
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'm sure they WOULD fly "big boy planes" if they could. Regionals are a good way for younger aviators to build hours! Personally, I L*O*V*E flying smaller planes.
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airlines would have you pay them to fly their planes if they could. substandard pay are just another form of exploitation of the American worker while CEO's pay themselves 300 hundred times salaries plus bonuses. Then these CEO's under perform and blame everyone else except themselves. After losing millions of dollars they go after the employees for pay cuts.
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Well afterall they are only getting paid 3 times federal Minimum wage, how do you expect them to support all those high paid Unioon Officals being paid $100,000+ a year.
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Lest anyone believe this show of solidarity is an attempt by the big unions to help their poor brethren at Regional airlines to a better life, think again. This is the union's equivalent of Obama wanting to raise the minimum wage. Once the regionals get a pay increase, then the union will have ample argument to go back to the mainline carriers and demand commensurate increases in their own wages. Most major airline pilots now came from the regionals and do have a sympathy for the apprenticeship the regional pilots have to serve. However, the airline pilot unions themselves are not trying to be socialized medicine for the industry. They are self-serving and nothing else.
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Whoop de doo wrote:
<quoted text>. They are going overseas. Google Great Lakes Airlines. Read why management can't find any pilots. They are canceling flights because pilots won't fly for $16,000/yr... Flipping burgers (after few yrs)$9/hr x 40/wk =$360 per week . x 4=$1,540 a month. X 12 months=$ 18,480. So you'r probably right. You can make more at McDonalds than flying a plane .
Yes, you can make more at McDonald's than flying during your first year or two, but I don't see McDonald's hamburger flippers topping out at $70-$80K per year like they do at the Regionals, or at $200K per year and up at the mainline carriers. This has been the big stalking horse for pilot unions, to compare first year wages with other forms of employment, while neglecting to mention the long-term reward, which is why young pilots take these jobs. This is like comparing the long hours and low pay of a medical resident and complaining about the job, without happening to notice that the lifetime earning potential of a physician far outstrips the fast-food worker.
And airlines are not cancelling because pilots won't fly for the wages; they are cancelling because they can't find pilots with enough flight hours to qualify under the new FAA rules. But that's another topic altogether.
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And Part II of why it is that airline unions are trying to help the regionals--The regional carriers now account for about 50% of the commercial flight departures in the US, and flying those airplanes now falls more and more on the regional jets and lower paid regional pilots rather than the higher paid mainline carriers and their pilots. If the unions can succeed in getting substantial increases in pay for the Regionals, then the Regional carriers' costs will rise to a point where there won't be a financial advantage to the main carriers to use them, and then those flying jobs will return to the major carriers. Once again, this is not an egalitarian move by the unions to help the poor regional guys; this is a strategic effort to drive work and higher wages back to the mainline airlines.
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Apr 28, 2014
 
Golly, aren't we in the good ole USA where the market system determines the cost of a commodity? Yes, pilots are a commodity. No one twists their arm to make them fly for a commuter. They have only themselves to blame. This whole whineyfest reminds me of people who knowingly move into the flightpath of an international airport that has been there for 50 years then start bitching and moaning because AIRPLANES (what a shocker!) fly over them!

The pay for a job is too low when no one shows up to take it.(ECON 101) That is what is happening now. So, the regionals are starting to offer hiring bonuses and will be forced to increase pay. In the case of airlines like Great Lakes, there is no way they can make money flying 18 passengers around with a captain making $80,000 and an F/O making $50,000 unless they can find passengers willing to pay $1,500 to fly from Garden City Kansas to Denver. Not going to happen even with market intervention via essential air subsidies.

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