Plane departs MSP airport, makes emergency landing in Fargo

[CPZflier]

not a fine wine wrote:

Yes,I have to wonder how well this airline maintains it aircraft ? Something that should have worked didn't. Whether mel-d or not correctly serviced, It was the airline's at fault. Taking short cuts to make profits is running ramped in this business. E-landing are in the news every day if you just open your eyes, and look. The FAA hearings have only scratched the surface of what really goes on. It's easy to blame a smoker and pretend nothing is wrong. The conversation on here is doing just that ! One or two post will try too look further, butt in the end it will be those damn smokers ! Fly safe, there's a lot more coming.

The plane was N620CZ, one of our newest. Still smelled new. Not much over a month old. Not sure about the time of the accident, but two legs earlier it didn't have a single MEL. Few of our aircraft do because our fleet is so young. So instead of blaming the company, or maintenance, or even a smoker, how about letting the NTSB investigate and tell us what really went wrong?

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumS...

[Interested]

One of the early reports claimed that a person was smoking in the restroom and the fire was caused by the careless diposal of the cigarette or match. Any truth to this story?

[not a fine wine]

CPZflier wrote:

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The plane was N620CZ, one of our newest. Still smelled new. Not much over a month old. Not sure about the time of the accident, but two legs earlier it didn't have a single MEL. Few of our aircraft do because our fleet is so young. So instead of blaming the company, or maintenance, or even a smoker, how about letting the NTSB investigate and tell us what really went wrong?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumS...

New or not, they still require maintenance. But being wholly owned by nwa... makes this is very questionable ???????? Nwa only flies airplanes... someone else is paid to fix them ! Nine bucks and hour doesn't buy much more than a quick look, and back to the break room. Soon someone else's airplane will hit a gate, and that same little block signer will have to take care of their logbook. 9 bucks an hour doesn't buy much more than a pen, and quick look. In today's world, flying by a Compass... isn't good enough. So, no we won't wait for the NTSB, we'll go with nwa's risky maintenance practices. 4000 plus mechs out the door, 1200 logbook trained replacements, speaks for itself !

[Robbin Marks]

Kieth wrote:

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This should surprize no one who has followed this Northwest no aircraft maintenance mess. It used to be a great airline but since they locked out their aircraft technicians it has gotten worse and worse. Worst on time of any airline with all that broken aircraft problems.

While I would agree that the maintenance was probably better before the illegal lockout, NWA was a POC airline for a long time before you guys got the boot!

[wtf]

The aircraft was manufactured in Brazil. I say BLAME THEM!

[CRESCENT WRENCH]

wtf wrote:

The aircraft was manufactured in Brazil. I say BLAME THEM!

the real problem is they were using cheap gas........1.32 a litre..... they should have bought the expensive stuff....... you get what you pay for 111!!!!!

[MR UPDATE]

CRESCENT WRENCH wrote:

<quoted text>the real problem is they were using cheap gas........1.32 a litre..... they should have bought the expensive stuff....... you get what you pay for 111!!!!!

Well your 1/2 correct ..they forgot " NIGHT GOOGLES ".... Good Name their lol

[Former Lineguy]

Kieth wrote:

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This should surprize no one who has followed this Northwest no aircraft maintenance mess. It used to be a great airline but since they locked out their aircraft technicians it has gotten worse and worse. Worst on time of any airline with all that broken aircraft problems.

I agree. However, this was a compass aircraft and not nw metal.

[CRESCENT WRENCH]

Former Lineguy wrote:

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I agree. However, this was a compass aircraft and not nw metal.

really

[pndog]

CRESCENT WRENCH wrote:

<quoted text>really

REALLY!

[not a fine wine]

Former Lineguy wrote:

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I agree. However, this was a compass aircraft and not nw metal.

Northwest owns them...it's a northwest airplane. Same game, different name. Same money grubbing people calling the shots.

[Jettek]

not a fine wine wrote:

<quoted text>Northwest owns them...it's a northwest airplane. Same game, different name. Same money grubbing people calling the shots.

And soon little andy will run the show. This is going to be fun.

[Contango]

Kieth wrote:

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This should surprize no one who has followed this Northwest no aircraft maintenance mess. It used to be a great airline but since they locked out their aircraft technicians it has gotten worse and worse. Worst on time of any airline with all that broken aircraft problems.

You must be misinformed on a few items. NWA is 12th out of 20 in on-time performance YTD 2008. Also, the mechanics voted to strike and then went on strike; it wasn't a lockout. That was the revisionist history legal clause AMFA used to get handouts from the state in the form of unemployment benefits after they failed in their strike.

[not a fine wine]

Contango wrote:

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You must be misinformed on a few items. NWA is 12th out of 20 in on-time performance YTD 2008. Also, the mechanics voted to strike and then went on strike; it wasn't a lockout. That was the revisionist history legal clause AMFA used to get handouts from the state in the form of unemployment benefits after they failed in their strike.

So do you make everything up as you go? WAAH (*)

[Spade a Spade]

Contango wrote:

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You must be misinformed on a few items. NWA is 12th out of 20 in on-time performance YTD 2008. Also, the mechanics voted to strike and then went on strike; it wasn't a lockout. That was the revisionist history legal clause AMFA used to get handouts from the state in the form of unemployment benefits after they failed in their strike.

And the cleaners, were what in your world, locked out or on strike?

[NWA slipping a little]

From what I heard, from someone on the flight (third hand though, via somebody relaying it to me) was the smoke detector had tape over itm possibly so it wouldn't go off right away. When the smoke/fire alarm went off they yelled at the Flight Attendant and when he finally came back, he couldn't or wouldn't operated the fire extinguisher, so one of the first class passengers, who was a piolet used the extinguisher to put out the fire, while tghe passnegers at the back near the bathroom were told to move up and sit on people's laps. FBI spoke to all when they got off the plane and there were a couple weird things that had gone on before the plane left, (something like one guy as on the plane, but deboarded before it backed away form the gate),, but I forget the details, and this is only thirdhand and I'm not sure of the accuracy,,, The first class passengers supposedly got round trip tickets as comp, and the other got a 100$ EVoucher,,, And told to be strong and not to make a big deal about it. Surfing tonight to see if any news has come up as to what may have been the cause,,, but it sounds like the smoke alarm had been tampered with, hope they catch the SOB,, supposedly if the plane had not decended quickly it could have been much worse,,,

[Robbin Marks]

Contango wrote:

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You must be misinformed on a few items. NWA is 12th out of 20 in on-time performance YTD 2008. Also, the mechanics voted to strike and then went on strike; it wasn't a lockout. That was the revisionist history legal clause AMFA used to get handouts from the state in the form of unemployment benefits after they failed in their strike.

It was an illegal lockout

[Old Jetbag]

Contango wrote:

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You must be misinformed on a few items. NWA is 12th out of 20 in on-time performance YTD 2008. Also, the mechanics voted to strike and then went on strike; it wasn't a lockout. That was the revisionist history legal clause AMFA used to get handouts from the state in the form of unemployment benefits after they failed in their strike.

Is "CONTENGO" a foreign language for Contankerous?

[Old Jetbag]

Sorry meant "CONTANGO" my cheaters slipped.

[Robbin Marks]

Old Jetbag wrote:

Sorry meant "CONTANGO" my cheaters slipped.

Now THAT is funny!