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Ana Claudia
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I agree with the last two posts. And for the record, I wish United could survive, since I use it every other month for a conveninet flight on my business trip to Sao Paulo, on United's way old 767-500.
The employees are very unhappy. You just cannot run a business without motivated employees.
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Bill
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The employees are angry overworked and dejected led by greedy morons with a "be glad you have a job" mentality. But should UA and AA cease to exist, who will you fly Internationally? Southwest? don't think so. Less competition will only mean worse service and higher fares. Corporate America is going to the dogs with their treatment of employees and customers.
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United in SFO
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Kendoll wrote: It's humorous just how ignorant most of these "bye, bye, United" comments are. United, as well as American are here to stay for a long time. Look, if you don't like flying United, then please, by all means, go somewhere else. Why put yourself through the torment. And does anyone have any idea of the impact that would result to Chicago's economy if United just----"went away?" Not going to happen. Way to go Kendoll...most of these nasty comments are posted by people who are either ignorant, resentful or at the very least, don't have a job at UA, like I do. We do hate our management, but I personally do my best as a front-line employee. I certainly don't wanna lose my job, especially here in the very expensive San Francisco area!
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Something for nothing
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All of these posters who are wishing united and american out of business are going to be paying 2-3 times what they pay now for airfare out of chicago if either of these airlines go out of business. No matter what the masses say, they always go for the cheapest fare. Their memory is short when they are faced with a financial decision.
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New to this board
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Ana Claudia wrote: I believe the restructuring of United, since 2001, was done on the backs of thrie employees. I suspect the employees resent United's management. Therefore, it may be inevitable that United will colapse. After bankrupcy, the ESOP plan became worthless for the employees. They literally have nothing else to loose... so there is no real commitment to the company. Sadly, this is just a job, not a career anymore. My experience as a customer of United is that the employees are very, very surly and unhappy. No one is holding a gun to their head ... if they don't like it, they should quit.
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Pete
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I would gladly pay a premium to fly on a better airline with decent (but not luxurious) service, good on-time ratings, and reliable baggage handling. I'd gladly pay for this than to buy the super cheap ticket from a fly-by-night carrier. The only problem is, there aren't really airlines that provide service worth paying a premium for. They've reduced their business to a lowest-bidder commodity, so I might as well buy my tickets accordingly. Frequent flier miles have become a sad joke, along with the airline experience in general. So what motivates me to fly any particular airline other than schedule and cost?
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Gary Dee
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Bill asks, "But should UA and AA cease to exist, who will you fly Internationally?" CO could expand to cover some of UA's markets, especially for international. Or US (also at the top of dead pools with UA) may survive long enough. Then there are international options as the US is forced to open up in order to let the survivors expand abroad. You may be taking Air Canada out of O'Hare in the future, on a 787 that started the day in Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton or Winnipeg and stops to drop off/pick up in Chicago before going on to London, Paris or Berlin.
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Gary Dee
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P.S.: My own prediction is that 3-4 surviving legacy carriers (likely AA, CO, DL) will shrink into international-only carriers, maybe with limited US domestic routes between the biggest cities to drop off/pick up along the way in or out. For example, United 68 - a 767 (last year) or 777 (this year) which flies between ORD and LAX as part of an Asian route.
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Linda
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Finding a new job in this job market is easier said then done. Though it is unfortunate that United's treatment of their employees is communicated to the customer in the form of salty, unhappy attitudes by some employees, it is not done by all. I'm sure longtime employees feel as hurt by their employer as a spouse who has been cheated on. They gave United their all to receive a lay-off notice in return.
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XUALTAXIJAG
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Kendoll wrote: It's humorous just how ignorant most of these "bye, bye, United" comments are. United, as well as American are here to stay for a long time. Look, if you don't like flying United, then please, by all means, go somewhere else. Why put yourself through the torment. And does anyone have any idea of the impact that would result to Chicago's economy if United just----"went away?" Not going to happen. many thought the same thing of Pan Am, Eastern, TWA, only time will tell for UAHELL. Your advice to use another carrier is good.
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Mister Walter Wilson
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Kendoll wrote: <quoted text>
I never said having a different opinion was a sign of ignorance. What I find fanciful is the tremendous amount of comments wishing United to just vanish by next year. It's just not going to happen. I'm not saying it will never happen--just not anytime soon. And not before one hell of a fight by the city of Chicago and state of Illinois and its elected representatives. For all its problems, United, as does American and Delta, still has tremendous advantages to capital that other smaller airlines do not. Don't forget lobbyist! That is the best bet overpaid special interest lobbyist that the damn Unions gorge! If it were not for this FMLA bs that is being forced down Corporate America's throat American business would be FINE!
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village idiot
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Gary Dee wrote: I can see why Continental is switching over to Star Alliance ... instead of staying in SkyTeam and getting beat up by the new Delta, they could take over as the lead American partner after UA and US disappear ... Nice point. Not every troubled company (ie. UA & US) will die, but me thinks one of them will, or maybe become another airline's b!tc#. Same difference. CO is ready to be the one carrying the whip! In the new order, it's not only going to be about price, but price vs. service. People are so fed up that their love affair with the cheapest internet ticket available will wither a bit and finally they'll pay attention to more substantial differences when they buy tix. SW will win on price and the others will have to offer better perks. I hope this drives some decent innovation. I haven't seen anything new or interesting from an airline in a long time. Just LCC copycats without the business model to support it.
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village idiot
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Gary Dee wrote: I'm writing as someone dependent on United and Star Alliance for business and personal travel.(Hint: this is the Chicago Tribune, I'm in Portland, Oregon. And I have a stomach ache.) Why not fly Southwest? Better overall deal, pay for the biz select and get much better frequent flier program.
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village idiot
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XUALTAXIJAG wrote: <quoted text>
many thought the same thing of Pan Am, Eastern, TWA... Absolutely! The way UA is liquidating assets and trimming their balance sheet ($2B+ writedown), they are moving closer to an abrubt end. It's not the kind of situation where lobbying and local municipal help can prop them up. When the payroll doesn't get paid, the employees won't go to work, so management[sic] will have no choice but to cease operations. Of course, this is only hypothetical. They also might make it though to a profitable future. If this happens, I'm sure management[sic] will fail to fix the buisiness process problems and bad times will always wait around the corner. Since their market cap is so low, stock price is incredibly responsive to oil price changes, which makes it a decent hedge tool. That keeps the stock price disconnected from any long term investment value. What I mean is that even when analysts wouldn't give the company a snow flake's chance in hell, the stock price won't show it until the last second. If the end is near for UA, you won't know it until you show up for your morning flight and there's a big CLOSED sign on the ticket counter. Good luck.
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