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bunny boiler

Boston, MA

#41 Sep 5, 2010
stew4united2 wrote:
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Well said, Capt...and truthfully spoken for the most part. I, for one, have never known a F/A who brings home 100k...not to say it can't happen...40k-70k is more realistic today.
I was going to say that it sounds like lots of fuzzy math.
bunny boiler

Boston, MA

#42 Sep 5, 2010
OldCapt wrote:
I have never seen a group of people who is so quick to point out how little they make, as if they were some sort of Joan of Arc.(O.K, pilots) The pay starts low in many professions, so what? Sure starting pay is higher if you are a cop, nurse, lawyer, pharmacist etc. but the investment in training and schooling is much higher.
At my airline we have senior flight attendants making over $100K/year. Some of the real work-a-holics make even more than that. The days off and travel are good as well. The mid-level ones make $40-50K. All that is required for entrance to the profession is good looks and a high school degree. Some have a college degree but it is not required. The basic training for safety duties only can be accomplished in two weeks. The other two or three weeks revolves around service issues.
Being a flight attendant is a great job. I fly with gals and guys who had other jobs in the professional or corporate world and walked away from them to join the "Air Circus". Less pay but more fun and a lot less stress and you get to "see the world".
BTW before the F/A's out there jump on me (in the not fun way), I have been married to a flight attendant for 22 years.
BTW#2 ER Doctors, nurses, plumbers, policemen, EMT's and donut makers come and go at odd hours too!
Lot of pilots hired in 70's didn't have a college degree either. It wasn't or isn't required for the job. If one has the cash it doesn't take much time to become a pilot either. Just statin' some facts.
Obvious choice

AOL

#43 Sep 6, 2010
Trying to sleep wrote:
I hate AIRLINES flight attendants, why don't they just move into homes and quit disturbing every one. APARTMENTS are NO places for Flight Attendants
She is up many times at 2 and 3 am in the morning for work and I can hear her on my ceiling getting ready above me.
She comes home at all hours of the night dragging their suitcases up the stairs making noise.
She always starting her car at inapporpriate times disturbing my sleep.
She is very anti social in the community.
Yes I have to agree, airlines should be more community friendly by making sure they equip their flight attendants, to live segregated away from the mass public because of their weird schedules.
Cal 757

UK

#44 Sep 7, 2010
bunny boiler wrote:
<quoted text>Lot of pilots hired in 70's didn't have a college degree either. It wasn't or isn't required for the job. If one has the cash it doesn't take much time to become a pilot either. Just statin' some facts.
Being a pilot who was hired in the 70's I can tell you that almost ALL major airlines required a four year degree. UA did not but almost always hired college grads.

Just to get to the point where you can APPLY to an airline, a pilot will spend four years and about $150,000 on education plus at least a couple of years of experience flying Corporate or Commuter planes.

What is required to show up for a flight attendant interview? Investment in Training? ZERO, Experience, ZERO. You don't even have to be pretty anymore.
southUALL

Houston, TX

#45 Sep 7, 2010
Be thankful it's just one neighbor with odd hours and not a "crash pad" with 12-30 underpaid airline employees crammed into that one unit flying weird schedules.
bunny boiler

Boston, MA

#46 Sep 7, 2010
Cal 757 wrote:
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Being a pilot who was hired in the 70's I can tell you that almost ALL major airlines required a four year degree. UA did not but almost always hired college grads.
Just to get to the point where you can APPLY to an airline, a pilot will spend four years and about $150,000 on education plus at least a couple of years of experience flying Corporate or Commuter planes.
What is required to show up for a flight attendant interview? Investment in Training? ZERO, Experience, ZERO. You don't even have to be pretty anymore.
The difference is that is not needed to do your job correct? When I was hired as a flight attendant a college degree was needed as well. I agree that it isn't needed as well. Your degree is only needed because there are so many applicants to weed through the hiring process. It's all supply and demand on both ends. Yes, I agree being a pilot takes training, but no college degree required to actually do the job itself. Sorry, major carriers were hiring pilots without degrees back in the 60's and 70's. That is a fact.
Trying to sleep

AOL

#47 Sep 7, 2010
southUALL wrote:
Be thankful it's just one neighbor with odd hours and not a "crash pad" with 12-30 underpaid airline employees crammed into that one unit flying weird schedules.
Oh come to think of it I have read about these places in the Newspapers. You are so right.

I guess having just one is pretty lucky on my part. I do plan on buying a doublewide next way away from any airports... or big cities to avoid the problem totally.

Fortunately, I will have the ability to telecommute almost fully by then.
GET OVER IT

Los Angeles, CA

#48 Sep 7, 2010
Trying to sleep wrote:
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Oh come to think of it I have read about these places in the Newspapers. You are so right.
I guess having just one is pretty lucky on my part. I do plan on buying a doublewide next way away from any airports... or big cities to avoid the problem totally.
Fortunately, I will have the ability to telecommute almost fully by then.
You sound like trailer trash. Good choice
Trying to sleep

United States

#49 Sep 7, 2010
Sounds to me more and more the airlines treat their employees like trash by not providing them with wages allowing them to be good neighbors.

Sorry but you won't offend me
southUALL

Houston, TX

#50 Sep 7, 2010
Hey, can we quote you during the next contract negotiations?$50/hour might sound like a lot, but not the way our pay is figured.
UAL

Orlando, FL

#51 Sep 7, 2010
southUALL wrote:
Hey, can we quote you during the next contract negotiations?$50/hour might sound like a lot, but not the way our pay is figured.
lol 30000 a yr loser, in less you work like a dog and work 120 hrs.. tool
Trying to sleep

United States

#52 Sep 8, 2010
No just in case you did not read the early postings but for many those air crew members pay is capped at 90 to 100 hours a month.

The way their pay works. I am not sure who the United person wants to quote. I am just curious now where all those extra fees we are all paying to fly, go. Obviously it is not to well paid employees
southUALL

Houston, TX

#53 Sep 8, 2010
UAL wrote:
<quoted text> lol 30000 a yr loser, in less you work like a dog and work 120 hrs.. tool
This from someone who puprorts to be an airline employee. This proves he can't even do simple math. Imbecile.
PWRLift

Atlanta, GA

#54 Sep 8, 2010
jay wrote:
CAL flight attendends are gay. lol
And you should know, now get up off your knees.
Trying to sleep

AOL

#55 Sep 8, 2010
Trying to sleep wrote:
I hate AIRLINES flight attendants, why don't they just move into homes and quit disturbing every one. APARTMENTS are NO places for Flight Attendants
She is up many times at 2 and 3 am in the morning for work and I can hear her on my ceiling getting ready above me.
She comes home at all hours of the night dragging their suitcases up the stairs making noise.
She always starting her car at inapporpriate times disturbing my sleep.
She is very anti social in the community.
Hey, personally if they were gay, it may help get them out of their dire financial situation and get them into a home where they do not disturb others sleep so much. NO issue there.
OldUA85

Ballwin, MO

#56 May 8, 2013
I'm a fly girl for the old UA. Been flying for 6 years and I brought home 50k last year from my job at UA. I rotate reserve every other month. On the months where I can fly my butt off I work at least 140 hrs. Senior FAs can make into the 100ks if they fly high time. This only became possible last year as the union now allows us to work unlimited amounts of hours. We used to be capped at 100 per month.
arkmiwi

Las Vegas, NV

#57 May 9, 2013
Trying to sleep wrote:
I hate AIRLINES flight attendants, why don't they just move into homes and quit disturbing every one. APARTMENTS are NO places for Flight Attendants
She is up many times at 2 and 3 am in the morning for work and I can hear her on my ceiling getting ready above me.
She comes home at all hours of the night dragging their suitcases up the stairs making noise.
She always starting her car at inapporpriate times disturbing my sleep.
She is very anti social in the community.
TryingtoSleep, I really wonder about people sometimes. It's obviously all about you. I see that you didn't mention that YOU are probably disturbing her whenever YOU get ready for work or when YOU come home from work, but I seriously doubt she's on some forum talking trash about you and telling the world how much she hates you.

Just because you have a more traditional work schedule doesn't make you better than anyone else. Rather than being a little bitch, maybe you should be happy that she does have a job and she isn't leaching off the tax payer dollars all while plotting to rob your ass when you go to your "perfect" job. Holy crap! What an inconsiderate asshole. You know what? Buy some earplugs, blackout curtains, and an eyemask. Or better yet, be an adult and simply ask her if she would mind being a little more quiet when she's coming in/getting ready in the off hours. It has been my experience that 99% of the population doesn't want to purposely annoy or offend anyone. So, just talk to her, I promise it will get better for you.
Cost of living HUB cities

United States

#58 May 11, 2013
Trying to sleep wrote:
I hate AIRLINES flight attendants,
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why don't they just move into homes and quit disturbing every one. APARTMENTS are NO places for Flight Attendants.
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She is up many times at 2 and 3 am in the morning for work and I can hear her on my ceiling getting ready above me.
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She comes home at all hours of the night dragging their suitcases up the stairs making noise.
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She always starting her car at inappropriate times disturbing my sleep.
Hey - it is simple logistics and the high cost of living in airline hub cities. Many flight attendants would way prefer living in a free standing spacious home, closer to the hub in a nice part of the city, so they do not have to disturb anyone. However unless the flight attendant marries well or wealthy the nice

S A F E R parts of the cities they M U S T live in due to their at all hours work schedules are alot of times off limits from a financial perspective. One solution that crops up are for flight attendants to crash pad in the expensive city with groups of people or rent rooms, so they can have their home hundreds of miles away in smaller high quality towns where the bang for their pay check buck goes alot further than the high cost hub city they are based.

It is simple logistics. Either pay the flight attendants extremely well, or hire old established SKY HAGS and HAIRY FAT MEN to do the inflight job, as some of the old and divorced sky hags are already financially stable, and the hairy fan men are disposable and can live in the skid row neighborhoods the sky job pays.

I think basically the airline culture tacitly encourages the flight attendants to be PIMPED OUT by the AIRLINE to marry or hook up with wealthier passengers, or sometimes the pilots so the passengers low fares may be subsidized on the back of this career field this way... but airline Public Relations and marketing would never let this part of the airline formula for success get out.

Simple Logistics
The FA living upstairs

United States

#59 May 12, 2013
To the guy trying to sleep, I understand my schedule annoys you. It annoys me to. Who wants to wake up and go to sleep at weird hours of the day and night, not ever having the weekends or holidays off, and be constantly jetlagged?...
I try to be a good neighbor. I come in late at night and leave early in the morning, I can be called at any minute, 24/7 (besides my few days off each month), and can be made to work up to 18 hours a day straight (with no overtime pay). I do not drink (cause I'm not allowed to when I'm about to be on duty or when I am on call) and don't have parties or friends come over (my social and romantic life with this schedule are nonexistent).
I wish I could afford to buy a house but I can barely afford rent (my main expenses after bills go on my commute to work and food - constantly eating in airports or out when I am on a layover is expen$$$ive!).
My salary is less than half of what it used to be.
I can not fly as much as I want because the only extra time I can pick up is the time someone else gives up (which is not unlimited). My salary varies each month according to the flight time (from the moment the door of the plane closes to the moment it is opened - everything else I do not get paid for). I will never in my career see $10,000 or anything close to that in one month. I will be lucky if 10 years from now I see half of that.
I do my job with pride. I make sure my uniform is always clean and my hair is nice and shiny. I encounter problems to be solved daily and deal with serious illnesses and medical conditions on my flights (strokes, heart attacks, etc..) Passengers are often demanding and rude, and think they are entitled to be so. I get yelled at, poked at, and ignored often. I just try to keep doing my job, with a smile, and let non of the daily troubles bother me.
When I get home all I want is peace and quite. I wish I had someone to call and share my experiences with, but no one is up at 2am when loneliness sets in.
I am sorry to disturb you neighbor, all I want is some empathy, and to be able to sleep too.

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