The US-AA merger - what the route map...

The US-AA merger - what the route map will look like

There are 112 comments on the Anna.aero story from Feb 20, 2013, titled The US-AA merger - what the route map will look like. In it, Anna.aero reports that:

Another tailfin in the trash: US network airline brand US Airways is consigned to the history books, following Continental Airlines and Northwest Airlines to leave just three - American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines.

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notsofast

Chalfont, PA

#41 Feb 25, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>In some counties the mechanics are even more capable, but those countries are not known for cheap maintenance. It's not the contracting it out that's the problem, it's the lack of oversight, and what outsourcing has done to the country. I am tired of these corporation... all of them... having only a responsibility to their shareholders. They need to be held responsible for what they sell ! It’s no longer about Quality it’s all about quantity. If we have too keep replacing everything we buy, it is junk. Profits go up, but it’s still junk ! When it comes to aircraft maintenance, the time for reliability comes when the aircraft is in overhaul. Contracting to the lowest overseas bidder has lessen the “overhaul” cost. But it has also increased the maintenance cost of the in service aircraft. No one has won here... all that has happened is... we now have more unforeseen problems, more e-landings, and more delays. Anyone who thinks air travel has gotten better, has to have their head buried in the sand. Cheap maintenance, cheap tickets, and expensive time hanging around the airports. If you are a frequent flyer, you are infrequently seen at home. The shareholders win, and the people who you share your life with “lose”. To quote Ed Sullivan “ it’s a really big show”.
How does this relate to DAL? Has there been an accident? I'm not aware of any of the things you claim. You actually sound just like McGee. Lots of claims but no data. You are obviously a guy with an agenda. I fly them all the time. They do a good job.
notsofast

Chalfont, PA

#42 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> I have seen first hand the work returned from overseas and spent many hours correcting what wasn't done correctly. Tell you what read the experts on the subject. One good book is Attention all Passengers by Mcgee. He list sources and experts on the subject.
You've seen this shoddy work recently? Specifically when is the last time you worked on an airliner? What airline?
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#43 Feb 25, 2013
notsofast wrote:
<quoted text>You've seen this shoddy work recently? Specifically when is the last time you worked on an airliner? What airline?
Oh so it has gotten better since I left?Lets see for the 15 years they were doing it before I left it magically got better after. Nice try but close friends and coworkers who do work still in the industry say if anything it is worse than when I was there.
Diamond Medallion

United States

#44 Feb 25, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>Something wrong with anderson? Yes. He was the ceo of nwa. While ceo of nwa, nwa was milked of all of its worth. nwa went to war with all of its employees, got everything they asked for, and still went Bankrupt. They built no less than five new hangars and then richard publicly states "nwa is not in the business of fixing airplanes". Superior math should tell you... that if maintenance is not core to your business... you don't spend huge amount of money on parking garages for your airplanes. In your own words " I'm just a business man", so you should not speak of a business such as aircraft maintenance, if you don't have knowledge of the business. And if maintenance was not part of mr. anderson business, why did he go to war with the airlines mechanics and send all of the work to the cheapest bidder. I'll end by saying " The airlines are now riding on a borrowed Safety Record". Most prediction can be worked out mathematically... so apply your gift, and tell us when it will happen. You might save your own FFA.
Went to war with all the employees? Most of them are still working for him. All that profit sharing they just got is an odd method of warfare. Did you notice just about every airline but Southwest has gone bankrupt? Was that Anderson's fault?
I've actually talked to Anderson. Remember. Diamond Medallion. I fly more than most of Delta's pilots. He replaced you because he didn't consider you a good return on money spent. From a business point of view he was right. 8 years later your claims that disaster is just around the corner are starting to sound ridiculous. Might have applied to Northworst but they're gone.
Now this statement about borrowed safety record. Borrowed from who? What are they borrowing? It's a stupid statement. Have you seen Delta's operation in Atlanta? I have. Diamond Medallion. I got the full tour. That didn't just appear last night. It's huge and impressive, and it isn't just for show.
Airline maintenance is one aspect of a BUSINESS. It's not a cause, or a hobby. Profit and expense is an inevitable and necessary calculation of every division at any company. Delta could assign a regiment of Oompa Loompas to go over each plane with magnifying glasses and tweezers, and they'd be perfect but prohibitively expensive and you'd never get one in the sky.
You sound like a guy so wrapped around proving things are unsafe, you've destroyed your ability to work in the mainstream of aircraft maintenance. No way a guy like you will survive an interview with a major operation. You might even be a good mechanic, but I'd never hire you.
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#45 Feb 25, 2013
notsofast wrote:
<quoted text>
His point is there are none. I read it too. It would only appeal to someone totally stupid about the airlines. Little old ladies. People that watch reality TV. Can't page and quote something that isn't there. Of course, seeing as you read it, feel free to post a page and quote to substantiate your point of view. Easy to do. If you read it.
Read the book then we'll talk..
Diamond Medallion

United States

#46 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> I have seen first hand the work returned from overseas and spent many hours correcting what wasn't done correctly. Tell you what read the experts on the subject. One good book is Attention all Passengers by Mcgee. He list sources and experts on the subject.
What notsofast said. When did you last see what you claim and for what company where you working?
Diamond Medallion

United States

#47 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> Read the book then we'll talk..
in the statement you just responded to, he said he read it. You didn't. I can tell.
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#48 Feb 25, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>Something wrong with anderson? Yes. He was the ceo of nwa. While ceo of nwa, nwa was milked of all of its worth. nwa went to war with all of its employees, got everything they asked for, and still went Bankrupt. They built no less than five new hangars and then richard publicly states "nwa is not in the business of fixing airplanes". Superior math should tell you... that if maintenance is not core to your business... you don't spend huge amount of money on parking garages for your airplanes. In your own words " I'm just a business man", so you should not speak of a business such as aircraft maintenance, if you don't have knowledge of the business. And if maintenance was not part of mr. anderson business, why did he go to war with the airlines mechanics and send all of the work to the cheapest bidder. I'll end by saying " The airlines are now riding on a borrowed Safety Record". Most prediction can be worked out mathematically... so apply your gift, and tell us when it will happen. You might save your own FFA.
I know it must have been tough but revisionist history is silly and makes for a zeo base discussion of reality
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#49 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> Well refresh all of our memories on how you perceive it was done. The length of negotiations, what was offered, the length of time in negotiations, the final offer..Should be a snap for you since your the expert.
Wouldn't do any good. Your argument is stuck in revison. You lost because you tried to keep membership @ the highest possible count so you would have bargaining powers and then threat to halt the AL w/ a walk out. Didn't work. There isn't anyone in the industry that gives Mr Anderson the negative ropes except for the mal-contents that lost. The Flt Att are happy. The Pilots are happy. ACS is happy. Ops is happy. MT is happy. It turned out better than you predicted. You still predict our demise and have been since the merger. Not one, not one single prediction you have made has come about.
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#50 Feb 25, 2013
notsofast wrote:
<quoted text>
His point is there are none. I read it too. It would only appeal to someone totally stupid about the airlines. Little old ladies. People that watch reality TV. Can't page and quote something that isn't there. Of course, seeing as you read it, feel free to post a page and quote to substantiate your point of view. Easy to do. If you read it.
It is written by a dis-gruntled former emploee for mal-contents.
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#51 Feb 25, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't do any good. Your argument is stuck in revison. You lost because you tried to keep membership @ the highest possible count so you would have bargaining powers and then threat to halt the AL w/ a walk out. Didn't work. There isn't anyone in the industry that gives Mr Anderson the negative ropes except for the mal-contents that lost. The Flt Att are happy. The Pilots are happy. ACS is happy. Ops is happy. MT is happy. It turned out better than you predicted. You still predict our demise and have been since the merger. Not one, not one single prediction you have made has come about.
Do you really know what I have said? Go back and copy and paste like Diamond whatever alias Hard up.. I have said I want Delta to succeed to keep getting your butt out of bed and earning my pension. I will type this slowly for you. Outsourcing not good..I have said that since day one over twenty years ago when I started seeing first hand the work. We are not there and I am not coming back, though I did have an opportunity to, but outsourcing is bad news still..They need to bring the work back in house so it can be monitored..
Diamond Medallion

United States

#52 Feb 25, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
It is written by a dis-gruntled former emploee for mal-contents.
I know. You can't help but feel sorry for them. Take it from me, a guy sitting on the jet all the time. You and your co workers do a great job. The changes over the last several years are nothing short of miraculous. I feel sorry for these malcontents. They seem desparate for any excuse to not face the part they played in ending their careers. It's always management or the other employees. Spending the better part of a decade playing the victim is pathetic.
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#53 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> Do you really know what I have said? Go back and copy and paste like Diamond whatever alias Hard up.. I have said I want Delta to succeed to keep getting your butt out of bed and earning my pension. I will type this slowly for you. Outsourcing not good..I have said that since day one over twenty years ago when I started seeing first hand the work. We are not there and I am not coming back, though I did have an opportunity to, but outsourcing is bad news still..They need to bring the work back in house so it can be monitored..
Written like the selfish guy you are. Me getting out of bed to work has allot more to do w/ building a better, more profitable, consumer focused enviorment.
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#54 Feb 25, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
Written like the selfish guy you are. Me getting out of bed to work has allot more to do w/ building a better, more profitable, consumer focused enviorment.
Whats selfish, I spent the time working for it and you keep it alive for me..I know yours is building up by working now and when you retire some one will work for you. Oh wait Dick ended your defined pension..I can't do nothing for you on that and your willing to be handed whatever Dick gives you.. Is this what you mean by selfish I got it and you don't?
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#55 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> Whats selfish, I spent the time working for it and you keep it alive for me..I know yours is building up by working now and when you retire some one will work for you. Oh wait Dick ended your defined pension..I can't do nothing for you on that and your willing to be handed whatever Dick gives you.. Is this what you mean by selfish I got it and you don't?
Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. DAL pensions are now about 88% funded which is wonderful because many folks pensions got dumped. I am lucky, mine didn't. It was frozen while I sill making pre BK wages. Comes to about 3600 a mo post 65 ys old. So you lied again. That makes 100% lies for you. And no, you haven't seen once piece of DAL equipment since you were locked out. From your nasty perspective it is a good and right thing you got locked out. You tried to advance a cause built on lies and laziness.
not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#56 Feb 25, 2013
notsofast wrote:
<quoted text>How does this relate to DAL? Has there been an accident? I'm not aware of any of the things you claim. You actually sound just like McGee. Lots of claims but no data. You are obviously a guy with an agenda. I fly them all the time. They do a good job.
Yes I do have an agenda. My agenda it to see that every possible maintenance job is done to its best. My agenda is to see that those like you, who fly all the time, can continue to do so without added risk. A little dose of fear, every now and then, might cause a thinking person too think????? Say what you want about McGee, but his inside views hold a lot more weight than someone with no inside view. I've ridden a lot of roller-coasters, and I rode on faith... no inside view. Enjoy the entertainment... the way aircraft are maintained today... six flags would be a grand name for any airline. I am not saying amusement parks are dangerous, just that flying should not involve unnecessary thrills. You say they do a good job, I say they use too! You say the record speaks for itself, I say it use too! I speak from the inside, you say you don't. You say McGee has no facts, I say from what he says, he speaks fact! You keep thinking that all is ok, that those needing you to believe this are speaking the truth. I and McGee will keep spouting off about what we see, and pray we are wrong!
not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#57 Feb 25, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
I know it must have been tough but revisionist history is silly and makes for a zeo base discussion of reality
One more time... WHAT?
not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#58 Feb 25, 2013
Diamond Medallion wrote:
<quoted text>I know. You can't help but feel sorry for them. Take it from me, a guy sitting on the jet all the time. You and your co workers do a great job. The changes over the last several years are nothing short of miraculous. I feel sorry for these malcontents. They seem desparate for any excuse to not face the part they played in ending their careers. It's always management or the other employees. Spending the better part of a decade playing the victim is pathetic.
XXXOOO

You've got to be joking. You must be looking for something to do on your delay times. Buck up and join the presidents club, you'll find much in common there.
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#59 Feb 25, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text> Yes I do have an agenda. My agenda it to see that every possible maintenance job is done to its best. My agenda is to see that those like you, who fly all the time, can continue to do so without added risk. A little dose of fear, every now and then, might cause a thinking person too think????? Say what you want about McGee, but his inside views hold a lot more weight than someone with no inside view. I've ridden a lot of roller-coasters, and I rode on faith... no inside view. Enjoy the entertainment... the way aircraft are maintained today... six flags would be a grand name for any airline. I am not saying amusement parks are dangerous, just that flying should not involve unnecessary thrills. You say they do a good job, I say they use too! You say the record speaks for itself, I say it use too! I speak from the inside, you say you don't. You say McGee has no facts, I say from what he says, he speaks fact! You keep thinking that all is ok, that those needing you to believe this are speaking the truth. I and McGee will keep spouting off about what we see, and pray we are wrong!
You're starting to sound an awful like Glenn Beck. No, you have always sounded like Glenn Beck and his ilk. you spread fear and anger and refer to it as truth. You have actually no info or understanding of what takes place in todays aviation. Neither does McGee. He left over a decade ago. You got fired and you hold on to the most negative idiotic person that spouts the trash you need to have spewed. Paranoid. And a weirdo.
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#60 Feb 25, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>XXXOOO
You've got to be joking. You must be looking for something to do on your delay times. Buck up and join the presidents club, you'll find much in common there.
Paranoid. Delusional. Weird. Liar. Predicting the worst in hopes that it will happen. You think you gain ground in an argument by making up facts and pretending to be an insider via the outside.

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