The US-AA merger - what the route map...

The US-AA merger - what the route map will look like

There are 112 comments on the Anna.aero story from Feb 20, 2013, titled The US-AA merger - what the route map will look like. In it, Anna.aero reports that:

Another tailfin in the trash: US network airline brand US Airways is consigned to the history books, following Continental Airlines and Northwest Airlines to leave just three - American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines.

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not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#21 Feb 24, 2013
Diamond Medallion wrote:
<quoted text>claiming Delta has poor management
What?
not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#22 Feb 24, 2013
Diamond Medallion wrote:
Why don't the former Northworst mechanics simply admit you lost. You got outplayed. Business is a blood sport. You sound like a team that loses the big game, and spends the rest of their lives crying about the officiating. The other guys wanted it more than you. Game over. Move on.
We did lose, but we aren't the only ones who lost. As you say " Business is a blood sport ". And you as a frequent flyer are still willing too fly on their ability to cut cost and increase their profits. Call it a prediction, but we haven't seen the definition of blood sport yet.
old NWA Guy

Naples, FL

#23 Feb 24, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
So once again The exnwa executives end up on the bottom of the pool. AA, Ual, then delta. Gee maybe my prediction were wrong after all.
Come on Wino,we all know that you have never been right predicting anything to do with the aircraft industry
Diamond Medallion

United States

#24 Feb 24, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>Richard Anderson, the CEO of Delta at the time of the merger.
What?
Anderson became CEO of Delta in Sept 2007. The Delta/Northwest merger was first half of 2008. You didn't know this?
Diamond Medallion

United States

#25 Feb 24, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>
What?
i'm sure you have a point. I'm just trying to get to it. What is your point? Something wrong with Anderson? I'm just a business man. 3 billion in profit in 3 years is hard to argue with. But by all means give it a shot. Leave out unfounded predictions of doom and include something that will make a guy like me with superior math skills comfortable. If those words are too complex try using facts. Hard to argue with facts. In case you are wondering, hasn't happened=not a fact.
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#26 Feb 24, 2013
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>We did lose, but we aren't the only ones who lost. As you say " Business is a blood sport ". And you as a frequent flyer are still willing too fly on their ability to cut cost and increase their profits. Call it a prediction, but we haven't seen the definition of blood sport yet.
That is so nasty, but very you. Predicting blood will be spilled. I feel good about it though. Zero % of your predictions have come about.
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#27 Feb 24, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
That is so nasty, but very you. Predicting blood will be spilled. I feel good about it though. Zero % of your predictions have come about.
Yea toad we know that outsourcing the maintenance is a good thing in your mind. Get rid of all those bad mechanics who were getting rich off the airlines. A mat to sleep on and a bowl of rice is good enough for the ones who do the checks now.. Yea the skies are safer now with your system..
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#28 Feb 24, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> Yea toad we know that outsourcing the maintenance is a good thing in your mind. Get rid of all those bad mechanics who were getting rich off the airlines. A mat to sleep on and a bowl of rice is good enough for the ones who do the checks now.. Yea the skies are safer now with your system..
DL has AC checks all over the world, we fly all over the world. The majority of chx are done right here stateside. Alas, it wasn't the quality of ur work that got you fired. It was ur refusal to change w/ the tide of the industry. U were still holding out for 1968 packages that had long outgrown their days everywhere but NWA. U played hardball for 1 1/2 hr lunches, membership #'s, 4 30min breax and no mandadtory overtime in an industry that has to have folks working round the clock for various reasons, one being the weather, Intl and , best of all, the need to get the equpment making money. U guys were the same ones telling everyone AC couldn't be flown 20 hrs a day. U had a membership quota. U got fired. The Corp moved on, went BK, merged and now makes a ton of moola w/ shared sacrfices by all groups. U didn't want to play as a team, the rest of us do.
Diamond Medallion

Virgin Islands, British

#29 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> Yea toad we know that outsourcing the maintenance is a good thing in your mind. Get rid of all those bad mechanics who were getting rich off the airlines. A mat to sleep on and a bowl of rice is good enough for the ones who do the checks now.. Yea the skies are safer now with your system..
That's just stupid. Have ever even been overseas? You sound like a typical ignorant redneck. Their mechanics are every bit as capable as ours. Plane breaks overseas why shouldn't it get fixed there. Crews I've talked to say they do a more thorough job overseas anyway. One of you guys just posted the world's safest airlines. Who do you suppose is fixing them?
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#30 Feb 25, 2013
Diamond Medallion wrote:
<quoted text>That's just stupid. Have ever even been overseas? You sound like a typical ignorant redneck. Their mechanics are every bit as capable as ours. Plane breaks overseas why shouldn't it get fixed there. Crews I've talked to say they do a more thorough job overseas anyway. One of you guys just posted the world's safest airlines. Who do you suppose is fixing them?
I have seen first hand the work returned from overseas and spent many hours correcting what wasn't done correctly. Tell you what read the experts on the subject. One good book is Attention all Passengers by Mcgee. He list sources and experts on the subject.
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#31 Feb 25, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
DL has AC checks all over the world, we fly all over the world. The majority of chx are done right here stateside. Alas, it wasn't the quality of ur work that got you fired. It was ur refusal to change w/ the tide of the industry. U were still holding out for 1968 packages that had long outgrown their days everywhere but NWA. U played hardball for 1 1/2 hr lunches, membership #'s, 4 30min breax and no mandadtory overtime in an industry that has to have folks working round the clock for various reasons, one being the weather, Intl and , best of all, the need to get the equpment making money. U guys were the same ones telling everyone AC couldn't be flown 20 hrs a day. U had a membership quota. U got fired. The Corp moved on, went BK, merged and now makes a ton of moola w/ shared sacrfices by all groups. U didn't want to play as a team, the rest of us do.
You really don't know what your
saying here. Cuts and workrules were agreed to by the union.Everytime that the union agreed to meet the companys demands the company upped the ante and wanted more..Read your history.
Toad

Atlanta, GA

#32 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> You really don't know what your
saying here. Cuts and workrules were agreed to by the union.Everytime that the union agreed to meet the companys demands the company upped the ante and wanted more..Read your history.
You re-write history. Blaming all the negotiations were stacked against. That isn't true. You walked.
PRATP

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#33 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text> I have seen first hand the work returned from overseas and spent many hours correcting what wasn't done correctly. Tell you what read the experts on the subject. One good book is Attention all Passengers by Mcgee. He list sources and experts on the subject.
That book is sucks. You should know better. Did you actually read it? Lots of scary stories but it's all hearsay and bull. All his data is ancient. To this day in interviews he offers no proof. Look at the guys background. He was a baggage handler until he got a job as dispatcher at an about to fail airline. Whats a loser like that going to sell unless he writes a book for all the uninformed idiots out there. Theres a sucker born every minute.
not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#34 Feb 25, 2013
Diamond Medallion wrote:
<quoted text>i'm sure you have a point. I'm just trying to get to it. What is your point? Something wrong with Anderson? I'm just a business man. 3 billion in profit in 3 years is hard to argue with. But by all means give it a shot. Leave out unfounded predictions of doom and include something that will make a guy like me with superior math skills comfortable. If those words are too complex try using facts. Hard to argue with facts. In case you are wondering, hasn't happened=not a fact.
Something wrong with anderson? Yes. He was the ceo of nwa. While ceo of nwa, nwa was milked of all of its worth. nwa went to war with all of its employees, got everything they asked for, and still went Bankrupt. They built no less than five new hangars and then richard publicly states "nwa is not in the business of fixing airplanes". Superior math should tell you... that if maintenance is not core to your business... you don't spend huge amount of money on parking garages for your airplanes. In your own words " I'm just a business man", so you should not speak of a business such as aircraft maintenance, if you don't have knowledge of the business. And if maintenance was not part of mr. anderson business, why did he go to war with the airlines mechanics and send all of the work to the cheapest bidder. I'll end by saying " The airlines are now riding on a borrowed Safety Record". Most prediction can be worked out mathematically... so apply your gift, and tell us when it will happen. You might save your own FFA.
not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#35 Feb 25, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
You re-write history. Blaming all the negotiations were stacked against. That isn't true. You walked.
Wrong again. We fought, and we lost !
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#36 Feb 25, 2013
PRATP wrote:
<quoted text>That book is sucks. You should know better. Did you actually read it? Lots of scary stories but it's all hearsay and bull. All his data is ancient. To this day in interviews he offers no proof. Look at the guys background. He was a baggage handler until he got a job as dispatcher at an about to fail airline. Whats a loser like that going to sell unless he writes a book for all the uninformed idiots out there. Theres a sucker born every minute.
What, specifically, are you referring to that is bogus? Page and quote would be helpful..
Spade a Spade

Rochester, MN

#37 Feb 25, 2013
Toad wrote:
<quoted text>
You re-write history. Blaming all the negotiations were stacked against. That isn't true. You walked.
Well refresh all of our memories on how you perceive it was done. The length of negotiations, what was offered, the length of time in negotiations, the final offer..Should be a snap for you since your the expert.
notsofast

Chalfont, PA

#38 Feb 25, 2013
Spade a Spade wrote:
<quoted text>What, specifically, are you referring to that is bogus? Page and quote would be helpful..
His point is there are none. I read it too. It would only appeal to someone totally stupid about the airlines. Little old ladies. People that watch reality TV. Can't page and quote something that isn't there. Of course, seeing as you read it, feel free to post a page and quote to substantiate your point of view. Easy to do. If you read it.
not a fine wine

Duluth, MN

#39 Feb 25, 2013
Diamond Medallion wrote:
<quoted text>That's just stupid. Have ever even been overseas? You sound like a typical ignorant redneck. Their mechanics are every bit as capable as ours. Plane breaks overseas why shouldn't it get fixed there. Crews I've talked to say they do a more thorough job overseas anyway. One of you guys just posted the world's safest airlines. Who do you suppose is fixing them?
In some counties the mechanics are even more capable, but those countries are not known for cheap maintenance. It's not the contracting it out that's the problem, it's the lack of oversight, and what outsourcing has done to the country. I am tired of these corporation... all of them... having only a responsibility to their shareholders. They need to be held responsible for what they sell ! It’s no longer about Quality it’s all about quantity. If we have too keep replacing everything we buy, it is junk. Profits go up, but it’s still junk ! When it comes to aircraft maintenance, the time for reliability comes when the aircraft is in overhaul. Contracting to the lowest overseas bidder has lessen the “overhaul” cost. But it has also increased the maintenance cost of the in service aircraft. No one has won here... all that has happened is... we now have more unforeseen problems, more e-landings, and more delays. Anyone who thinks air travel has gotten better, has to have their head buried in the sand. Cheap maintenance, cheap tickets, and expensive time hanging around the airports. If you are a frequent flyer, you are infrequently seen at home. The shareholders win, and the people who you share your life with “lose”. To quote Ed Sullivan “ it’s a really big show”.
notsofast

Chalfont, PA

#40 Feb 25, 2013
"You won't find a lot of fresh investigative reporting here—many of the documents cited by Mr. McGee have been around for years,"

"Although he offers no hard evidence, Mr. McGee says that he has been told by FAA inspectors and mechanics ...."

Quotes from Wall Street Journal review of "Attention All Passengers"

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