2 groups offer visions for Oahu racew...

2 groups offer visions for Oahu raceway - News

There are 25 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Oct 4, 2008, titled 2 groups offer visions for Oahu raceway - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Question: What ever happened to efforts to build a new raceway for motor sports in Honolulu? Answer: Ever since Hawaii Raceway Park closed in 2006, car enthusiasts have been searching for a new place to race ...

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Rufus

Honolulu, HI

#1 Oct 4, 2008
Time to think big get NASCAR to join in the sponsorship. Build a super speedway track with about 50-60 seat capacity stadium, and call the annual race THE HAWAII 400. Run a 2 week trek with all the stars of NASCAR I'm sure they all would go for it. Look what the PRO BOWL has done, NASCAR would do just as well. Mix in open trials with some local drivers and who knows maybe even more stars would evolve.
Rufus

Honolulu, HI

#2 Oct 4, 2008
Sorry I meant 50-60k seat capaity, also get all major car dealers involved too. Just imagime, at least it'll be less than the $4-10 billion projection for the rail. Heck maybe NASCAR would build the whole thing "wishful thinking"....
Pohakuloa

Makawao, HI

#3 Oct 4, 2008
I think the biggest opposition to the dirt racing oval on that kalaeloa parcel is the fact that they have no intention of building a 1/4 mile dragstrip. The dragstrip at the old HRP was open for business more often than any other facility out there, was the most attended and in all likely hood was the alpha money maker.

Since: Mar 08

Kailua, HI

#4 Oct 5, 2008
Well now, if that's not a conflict of interest for Evelyn Souza, I have no idea what is.

Makes her questioning on the HCDA and Kapolei/Makakilo boards seem real curious.

More crab-in-a-bucket syndrome coming your way.

Since: Mar 08

Kailua, HI

#5 Oct 5, 2008
Pohakuloa wrote:
I think the biggest opposition to the dirt racing oval on that kalaeloa parcel is the fact that they have no intention of building a 1/4 mile dragstrip. The dragstrip at the old HRP was open for business more often than any other facility out there, was the most attended and in all likely hood was the alpha money maker.
The intent is there to build a dragstrip, as indicated on the official website www.kalaeloaracewaypark.com The only problem is that there isn't enough space for a full 1/4th mile on Parcel 24. It'll be built on a separate parcel in accordance with Phase 2.

The story is too short to provide any real detail regarding the construction of the KRP facility. And the latter group doesn't have anything, they're just trying to stop the first one's efforts. Crab syndrome, as I said.
Hawaiian to the MAX

Lahaina, HI

#6 Oct 5, 2008
Since when is a racetrack more importnt than the preservation of our cultural sites. If Ms. Souza is thinking about keeping noisy, gas guzzling, pollution belching cars out of our neighborhood and away from our sacred past, I say more power to her and her people. Hawaiians unite...keep these selfish people away from the sites in Kalaeloa. Auwe DHHL!
Oahu Racefan

Waipahu, HI

#7 Oct 5, 2008
Yes Hawaiian to the MAX,

Although we need a racetrack, building one on top of Hawaiian cultural sites is unacceptable. In addition to the cultural and burial sites on P24, endangered Hawaiian Stilt birds nest in the area, and there are endangered plants that grow there. Definitely not the right place to build a track.

Since the State has acquired part of HRP. Just reopen it for all the racers!
Just thinking

Kapolei, HI

#8 Oct 5, 2008
If DHHL has a bigger parecel, why not build there in CIP and not chance disturbing anything that is of concern to the Hawaiian people. The fact that there ARE historical sites on the property is reason enough to avoid the possible disturbance and damage to these revered sites. This should be a no brainer and any reasonable thinker would take the offer of DHHL and MOVE. Why cause any pilikia between the developer and the Hawaiian community?
And, how come DHHL isn't making it a priority to avoid the oncoming train wreck? Nice to see someone is looking out for the Hawaiians.
Just thinking

Kapolei, HI

#9 Oct 5, 2008
If this is all true, Race fan, that sealed it for me. Endangered birds, burial AND cultural and STILL they talk of buildng this race track. What is over there anyway...gold? Someone take a little advise and go tell the developer that he had better make a deal with DHHL real fast for that second site because I would imagine his stay at this Parcel 24 is numbered. Unbelieveable!
What

Princeville, HI

#10 Oct 5, 2008
Talk and action is two different things.

Yesterday i was talking about building a rocket ship but we know that aint gonna happen. LOL
Hawaiian to the MAX

Lahaina, HI

#11 Oct 5, 2008
Shame! How can you make a legimate argument for the need for racing at the expense of Hawaiian sacredness. KAPU. All those racers (Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians) had better think twice and even more before they put their cars on ANY race track near these cultural sites. It won't be the first time when "wierd" things start to happen to unbelieving people. Learn your lesson the easy way and move that track while you still have that opportunity available. Micah Kane will be receiving a call from me, all my friends and relatives come Monday.

Since: Mar 08

Kailua, HI

#12 Oct 5, 2008
There are NO sensitive cultural sites on the parcel designated for use. Stop trying to make the case for them as if they're about to be bulldozed without care by a greedy developer. There aren't any cultural sites that will be disturbed or damaged in the portion to be used to create the facility.

What's more, the entire area has been treated with disrespect and callousness for the past couple hundred years. Many of the cultural sites around the area are completly open to vandalism and anyone who has a care to go and disturb them can. For years, that area was used as a WWII military training complex, a grenade range, and the pond nearby was even named Ordi Pond due to the area's dealings with munitions and ordnance. The entire portion of the parcel where the track will be built has already been leveled and cleared by the military in the 1940's.

The facility will finally give the land it's due, by removing harmful, foreign plants and replacing them with indigenous, native plants through Hawaiian-based landscaping, while protecting the sensitive cultural sites to the south by only giving access to the cultural groups that care for them, and keeping the bad guys out.

As it is now, anyone driving by on Tripoli or Coral Sea road has more ability to destroy that area with a careless cigarette than anyone within the gated area of the track.

From the text and mannerisms, it's obvious that a few of the above posts are some of the very people from the SORT group, trying to stir the pot with their fallacies.

Like I said...more crab-in-a-bucket syndrome.
Hawaiian to the MAX

Lahaina, HI

#13 Oct 5, 2008
Racers versus Hawaiians (who even THINK our cultural sites are endangered) and add to that a lot of bird lovers; man, I KNOW you guys have problems and all the BUILD THE TRACK explanation is all waha. This will only incite those who have taken up the banner to preserve and protect. You racers need to look at your leadership and question WHY you cannot pick another site and leave the problems behind. WHY would you want the unfavorable public opinion (from anyone) that will only harm your cause. Here on the Big Island, we have a track but even that one would not have been able to be built if there was even a hint of cultural sites being even accidently damaged or disecrated. If racers have a choice, like was said, make it a good one and leave the land untouched and bothered by the curious and unknowing. Looks like a win-win to me. Good luck, you're going to need it.
Fossil

Honolulu, HI

#14 Oct 5, 2008
Hawaiian to the MAX wrote:
Shame! How can you make a legimate argument for the need for racing at the expense of Hawaiian sacredness. KAPU. All those racers (Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians) had better think twice and even more before they put their cars on ANY race track near these cultural sites. It won't be the first time when "wierd" things start to happen to unbelieving people. Learn your lesson the easy way and move that track while you still have that opportunity available. Micah Kane will be receiving a call from me, all my friends and relatives come Monday.
I suppose calling the annual big race the "Boneyard 400" is out of the question.
Oahu Racefan

Waipahu, HI

#15 Oct 5, 2008
BUILDTHETRACK,

You are wrong. There are cultural sites, burial sites, and endangered species on the lot P24. Trying to tiptoe around them in a bunch of race cars with thousands of fans coming in is NOT going to work.

The Ahahui Siwila Hawaii O Kapolei have already stated that they are against ANY race track in that area. It's not just the cars, they don't want large crowds of people in those areas. Micah Kane should listen to his people.
OahuBorn

Wailuku, HI

#17 Oct 9, 2008
So what happened to the proposed facility near the Kalaeloa Airport?

Wasn't DHHL engaged in a land swap agreement with the owners of the old raceway?

Was it rejected or did the developers give up?
Hawaiian

Princeville, HI

#18 Jan 6, 2009
no need can race on the freeways cuz and ram guardrails.
Ha-Y-N

Honolulu, HI

#19 Mar 6, 2013
Fossil wrote:
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I suppose calling the annual big race the "Boneyard 400" is out of the question.
To the Hawaiian To The Max person,

Does an approved list of burial sites exist? Who here owns property that has not been archeologically surveyed? How many of Hawaii's buildings (especially in Kakaako) are built on land that may have had historical artifacts (remains) below their foundations?

It seems like, unfortunately, many burial sites have been violated in all of history, here and around the world... What was said about burial sites during the entire industrialization and development of Oahu? Do random remains, found somewhere, constitute deeming the land around it a sacred site?

In Florida, one guy got swallowed by a sinkhole and passed. Is the entire neighborhood now sacred?

Racetracks, buildings, homes, development seems inevitable. Given the fact that the island that is now home to a diverse population, shouldn't we all get along?

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#20 Mar 6, 2013
Better to leave the "cultural site" Better known as a litter-strewn dump site, weed garden with homeless campers, junk cars, and all the other stuff these "Hawaiian Culture" sites are known for.
you bet

Salt Lake City, UT

#21 Mar 6, 2013
why do you need a race track in hawaii

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