Delta CEO: Aggressive cost savings hunt planned in NWA merger

[Spade a Spade]

Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:

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NWA has flown 3 years with outsourced maint in out stations. Why would Delta think any differently. It works and amfa techs are lining up for the jobs.
Again, most of your strike breakers were ex-amfa mechs who were shafted by OV Dell Famine. Where is OV these days, retired on the backs of the 444?
I'm sure he is crying for you right now.

Yea it worked so well in April there were 36 ODI's. That is more than one per day..When AMFA was there one a week was high..

[NWARETCAPT]

DL_NEA Retiree wrote:

The only one who makes any sense is NW/R/Capt. Instead of crying why don't you grasp the opportunity that faces you. You all have nothing to lose. DL is non-union , but a disgruntled group. No better time to organize them ( the FAs are already taking a vote.) They have been outsourced till it hurts. Plagued by Managements' million dollar salaries and Broken promises on medical and retirement benefits. The lack of anything in writing is a reason alone to have a good union.
GO FOR IT !

I'm afraid what you will hear (read) is a plethora of excuses not to go for the opportunity. There are always reasons not to do the hard stuff. But, I think you already know that. Sad thing is, everyone believes he/she is powerless. That's why these threads are around... to joust at windmills.

[Google-man hnl]

Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:

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NWA has flown 3 years with outsourced maint in out stations. Why would Delta think any differently. It works and amfa techs are lining up for the jobs.
Again, most of your strike breakers were ex-amfa mechs who were shafted by OV Dell Famine. Where is OV these days, retired on the backs of the 444?
I'm sure he is crying for you right now.

Still NWA soon DAL Guy, You may hate AMFA, dispise or dislike OVDF, but that oldman put his Life and Reputation on the line for all Aircraft Mechanics, to try to give them a better go of it in this 'world of aviation'.. He was a fighter, who gave it his best, and I will always give him utmost respect, for which he earned many times over.. God Bless You, Mr. O.V.Delle Famine; you earned your Re-tirement, from a fellow A&P Mechanic, retired from NWA (08-01-03) and enjoying it in HNL.. and thank you for my retirement package Dell ... GO AMFA !! MAHALO !!

[Ex-NWA mechanic]

FANTASTIC !! Now the scabs will find out what it's like to get screwed !! I hope they dump the whole lot of them !! And raise air fares 100%!!!Teach you whinning liberals in MN what it's like too !! I love it !! I'm laughin so hard my sides hurt !!! ROFLMAO !!!

[Still NWA Soon Delta]

Google-man hnl wrote:

<quoted text>Still NWA soon DAL Guy, You may hate AMFA, dispise or dislike OVDF, but that oldman put his Life and Reputation on the line for all Aircraft Mechanics, to try to give them a better go of it in this 'world of aviation'.. He was a fighter, who gave it his best, and I will always give him utmost respect, for which he earned many times over.. God Bless You, Mr. O.V.Delle Famine; you earned your Re-tirement, from a fellow A&P Mechanic, retired from NWA (08-01-03) and enjoying it in HNL.. and thank you for my retirement package Dell ... GO AMFA !! MAHALO !!

Why don't you tell that to all the folks that never saw retirement.
Have them thank Dell Famine for that ok?

[Still NWA Soon Delta]

Ex-NWA mechanic wrote:

FANTASTIC !! Now the scabs will find out what it's like to get screwed !! I hope they dump the whole lot of them !! And raise air fares 100%!!!Teach you whinning liberals in MN what it's like too !! I love it !! I'm laughin so hard my sides hurt !!! ROFLMAO !!!

I agree with you on the whining liberals but jeez, lay off the maui wowie will ya.

[pndog]

Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:

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NWA has flown 3 years with outsourced maint in out stations. Why would Delta think any differently. It works and amfa techs are lining up for the jobs.
Again, most of your strike breakers were ex-amfa mechs who were shafted by OV Dell Famine. Where is OV these days, retired on the backs of the 444?
I'm sure he is crying for you right now.

I remember reporting to my manager about a DC9 that still had speed tape taped over it's fire extinguisher detectors after coming out heavy check from Dothan, AL; summer of 05. It was swept under the rug.

I was never arrogant to other work groups either. I actually had part time ESE seniority when I arrogantly worked as one during the 92-94 layoffs. I was cooperative and friendly with pilots, cleaners, baggage, and F/As.

[Google-man hnl]

Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:

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Why don't you tell that to all the folks that never saw retirement.
Have them thank Dell Famine for that ok?

You just did it for all us Mechanics, retired or otherwise; and again, thanks for all your support, whether you meant to or not .. GO AMFA !!

[Spade a Spade]

pndog wrote:

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I remember reporting to my manager about a DC9 that still had speed tape taped over it's fire extinguisher detectors after coming out heavy check from Dothan, AL; summer of 05. It was swept under the rug.
I was never arrogant to other work groups either. I actually had part time ESE seniority when I arrogantly worked as one during the 92-94 layoffs. I was cooperative and friendly with pilots, cleaners, baggage, and F/As.

Many of the Techs had seniority with the iam in other classifications..
I find the, Still SCABAIR but soon Delta but still a SCAB, forever one of the ones who held a grudge with the techs because he probably wasn't able to be one.
I got along with most of the other employee groups on the property. The ones who I didn't get along with had a bug up their butt about AMFA.
I remember iam members going out of their way to not get along. But then again there were many more in the majority that we all got along with. That is why this clown is so hilarious..I wish him to stay here so I can remind him every day that he is nothing but a SCAB..

[pndog]

Spade a Spade wrote:

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Many of the Techs had seniority with the iam in other classifications..
I find the, Still SCABAIR but soon Delta but still a SCAB, forever one of the ones who held a grudge with the techs because he probably wasn't able to be one.
I got along with most of the other employee groups on the property. The ones who I didn't get along with had a bug up their butt about AMFA.
I remember iam members going out of their way to not get along. But then again there were many more in the majority that we all got along with. That is why this clown is so hilarious..I wish him to stay here so I can remind him every day that he is nothing but a SCAB..

A job is temporary, but SCABing is forever!

[Former Lineguy]

pndog wrote:

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A job is temporary, but SCABing is forever!

You got that right our buddy "now NWA soon to be out the door" from Glendale CA will find that out real soon.

[Auggie]

pndog wrote:

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I remember reporting to my manager about a DC9 that still had speed tape taped over it's fire extinguisher detectors after coming out heavy check from Dothan, AL; summer of 05. It was swept under the rug.
I was never arrogant to other work groups either. I actually had part time ESE seniority when I arrogantly worked as one during the 92-94 layoffs. I was cooperative and friendly with pilots, cleaners, baggage, and F/As.

Just take the tape off and apply it to your mouth. At least ajet engine stops whining at the gate .

[pndog]

Auggie wrote:

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Just take the tape off and apply it to your mouth. At least ajet engine stops whining at the gate .

But they still clack when the wind blows through them, just like your brain when the wind blows through your ears.

[Aquinas]

pndog wrote:

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But they still clack when the wind blows through them, just like your brain when the wind blows through your ears.

Sad...very sad.
How many bifs did you drink from today?

[In-Fight]

Frank wrote:

Can't you NW people get over it!

Sure, just call us Delta, and kiss MSP headquarters good bye, Lutheran Police State.

[pndog]

Aquinas wrote:

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Sad...very sad.
How many bifs did you drink from today?

The fire detection/suppression system was inop with the tape on it. Remember that Value Jet DC9 what down in your neighborhood a decade or so ago? It did not have any working fire systems in the cargo bin either. None of the DC9 did they were not required..........until after that plane burnt up killing everyone.

Understand?

[Old NWA Guy]

Google-man hnl wrote:

<quoted text>Try, 7,500 to 8,000 for starters, the "Checchi Group" believes in 'Corporate Cushion' of responsibility, should anything go terribly wrong, so they can Pass the Buck to their Underlings ..

Wrong again Googs. As has been said many times on this board NWA has about 3000 employees in the management category. Can't you get anything right?

[ramprat]

NWARETCAPT wrote:

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Productivity is not the job of unions. Unions are to represent their membership at the bargaining table. Productivity is a result of planning. Planning is the job of management. If management has a good plan and implements it, higher productivity will more than likely be the result. Labor is willing to do a good job. Management has to set the pace and lead.
At NWA, management doesn't seem to plan for greater productivity. It reacts to nearly every problem, beginning with the janitor, and work their way up. Cost cutting is substituted for good planning. It's actually industry wide. Good planning, it seems to me, would include charging a customer enough for a ticket to pay for the cost of moving him/her from point A to point B. Instead, the airlines have charged the employee to cover that cost, and it's not working. If everyone worked for nothing, the cost would probably still exceed the needed amount, if the customer still travels for the low fares they've enjoyed. It's interesting how, when fuel prices have gone through the roof, the airlines have raised the price of a ticket. Before these excessive fuel price increases, it was "better" to cut the wages and benefits of the employee, leaving the customer out of the equation. In the case of NWA, top management has left themselves out of the equation as well.
Unions must get back to the principles they were founded on; then they have to see the importance of partnering themselves with management through the use of stock plans (profit sharing), becoming owners as well as simply labor. There is nothing bad about taking some risk, and where better than in the company you get your bread and butter from?
Sure, there are bad examples: Enron, for instance. But we learn from these unfortunate events, and a strong and intelligent union can watch for mismanagement, and at the same time be an asset.
The union concept is not out dated, it's their methods. Unions can be good for all concerned. They should be united FOR the company, not against it. Union leaders should be seen just as management is seen, and they have no less important a responsibility to both labor and the companies they have shops in.
If unions don't see the world for what it is and get retrained, like back in the industrial revolution, all will be lost for the middle class that unions were so instrumental in creating. It's a new day and the unions have fallen behind. They have to reevaluate what works and what doesn't. Quit blaming their troubles on everyone else, roll up their sleeves and find their center. They, and only they, can get the job done.

Cptain. Your point about Unions an the Company is right on. It's up to management to set the work schedual and it's up to the Union to take care of problems and grivences that come up.
When I first started we had a manager that was well liked and worked WITH the employees. He had been a mechanic and knew everything about the operation. We had THEE top 'on time preformance' out of all the eastern stations. Everybody worked together to get schedual. Then a NEW manager came in and he was just out of college with a managment degree. He worked cheap I guess but knew nothing about running the operation. He was abusive and hard to work for. Grivences went up and 'on time preformance went DOWN'. It never got better. Everyday was a contest to see how bad we could screw over him. Nobody cared about 'on time preformance anymore. The Union was working overtime on grivences. MANAGEMENT in MSP must have wanted it that way or THEY would have changed things. Management sets the work schedual and management has to supply the equipment and employees to get the job done. Employees can't hire or buy equipment.
If it's screwed up it's because MANAGEMENT screwed it up and THEY want it that way.

[Spade a Spade]

Old NWA Guy wrote:

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Wrong again Googs. As has been said many times on this board NWA has about 3000 employees in the management category. Can't you get anything right?

You were away so long, I was wondering how yur lobotomy went..We need some balance here and you show the angry nutsy side without a clue..

[Google-man hnl]

Spade a Spade wrote:

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You were away so long, I was wondering how yur lobotomy went..We need some balance here and you show the angry nutsy side without a clue..

Spade, It really doesn't matter anymore; when King Richard' gets threw re-vamping his New DAL Management Team from top to bottom, there won't be many NWA Managers left anyways .. He wants to inhance the Delta brand, not the Mis-Managed Northwest brand .. But the ONG might be right afterall, only 3000 or less Managers to operate the New DAL, Inc.... I said that, not him .. and providing Mr. Oberstar, Inc. let's this Merger FLY !!