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Brudder Funk
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I LIKE MCCAIN'S CUTTING THE PORK ON BOEING'S HUGE MASSIVE PORK PROJECTS!!! HE IS PISSING CORRUPT CORPORATE AMERICA OFF - AND IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!
MCCAIN WILL BE A GREAT PRESIDENT THAT WILL FIGHT CORPORATE CORRUPTNE$$- THIS ARTICLE IS PROOF!!!
HE WON'T BE A SELLOUT OR A BRIBE ARTIST LIKE OBAMA AND HILLARY HAVE ALREADY PROVEN THEY ARE!!!
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Recordo
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No question that there's a lot of pork involved but keep one thing in mind. Airbus (that's not the corporate name) is a private French company that has been HEAVILY subsidized by the the French government. Not patronized with words, but subsidized with cash. That's how their super jumbo A380 got built ahead of Boeing's 787 Dreamliner. So you do have to weigh the benefits of saving money by outsourcing with patronizing domestic labor.
I'm sure that the bottom line is not simply the dollar amount for these aircraft but the time to delivery as well. And Aerospatiale's US partner, Northrup is not some shell that was borrowed to get into the bidding.
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Will Rogers
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Airbus is a consortium of European companies, mainly French, but, as you point out, heavily subsidized by the government involved.
The US subsidization of Boeing is via contracts, not direct like the European powers.
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rudym
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I think we should let manufacturing capabilites in America be totally sent out to foreign suppliers so we do not have to have anymore discussions about issues like this come up again. It won't take much more to do because manufacturing has dropped from 33 percnt to 12 percent of GDP. I also think we should farm out all government jobs overseas too, including Congress. Then we will no longer have to capabilities to both manufacture any vital products in American including manufacturing more stupidity in our Government.
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RedEagle
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Ha! So now they're criticizing McCain for turning over the rock and exposing a bed of snakes. Good one. Recordo wrote: No question that there's a lot of pork involved but keep one thing in mind. Airbus (that's not the corporate name) is a private French company that has been HEAVILY subsidized by the the French government. Not patronized with words, but subsidized with cash. The $3.2B in incentives that the state of WA handed out to snare the 787 isn't exactly what I'd call "chump change". Subsidies under a different name.
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Joined: Apr 19, 2007
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Boeing supporters complaining? Competition is good and you can't win them all.
Sounds like these Lobbyists are already starting to feel the pinch.
I love it!!!!
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x-nutmegger
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Well you know how it goes. Repeated all over this forum ....no bid Haliburton...... No bid Haliburton .... No bid Haliburton.
So now a DoD contract is put out for bid and awarded on merit ... not on politics. Cry , cry and cry.
I guess it was expected to be WON on Boeing best proposal againist all competiton ( wink.wink.nod.nod).
NG/EAD will do 60% of the work in the U.S. plus EAD is moving the A330F assembly from Europe to Alabama.
Remember our labor in Alabama is very competitive along with the low dollar.
Boeing got spanked as they banked on politics to win this one.......... tough shyte.
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monster477569495 93
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then why didnt boeing bid less? 6 billion in savings is alot.
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Wake up foolz
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Brudder Funk wrote: I LIKE MCCAIN'S CUTTING THE PORK ON BOEING'S HUGE MASSIVE PORK PROJECTS!!! HE IS PISSING CORRUPT CORPORATE AMERICA OFF - AND IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!
MCCAIN WILL BE A GREAT PRESIDENT THAT WILL FIGHT CORPORATE CORRUPTNE$$- THIS ARTICLE IS PROOF!!!
HE WON'T BE A SELLOUT OR A BRIBE ARTIST LIKE OBAMA AND HILLARY HAVE ALREADY PROVEN THEY ARE!!! Pull your head out of the sand in Florida and stick in the sand in Iraq. Jeff Sessions had alot to do with this deal also. At least Kit Bond from Mo. has a son fighting in Iraq! How many EADS/Airbus supporters can say that? Next you'll be supporting Wal-Mart and China selling American soldiers toothpaste.
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Wake up foolz
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x-nutmegger wrote: Well you know how it goes. Repeated all over this forum ....no bid Haliburton...... No bid Haliburton .... No bid Haliburton.
So now a DoD contract is put out for bid and awarded on merit ... not on politics. Cry , cry and cry.
I guess it was expected to be WON on Boeing best proposal againist all competiton ( wink.wink.nod.nod).
NG/EAD will do 60% of the work in the U.S. plus EAD is moving the A330F assembly from Europe to Alabama.
Remember our labor in Alabama is very competitive along with the low dollar.
Boeing got spanked as they banked on politics to win this one.......... tough shyte. That's right Alabama labor is competitive,just like the slaves they can bring more in workers by ship in The Gulf of Mexico. Of course "Mexico" being the keyword "wink" "wink".
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LocalBoy
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x-nutmegger wrote: Well you know how it goes. Repeated all over this forum ....no bid Haliburton...... No bid Haliburton .... No bid Haliburton.
So now a DoD contract is put out for bid and awarded on merit ... not on politics. Cry , cry and cry.
I guess it was expected to be WON on Boeing best proposal againist all competiton ( wink.wink.nod.nod).
NG/EAD will do 60% of the work in the U.S. plus EAD is moving the A330F assembly from Europe to Alabama.
Remember our labor in Alabama is very competitive along with the low dollar.
Boeing got spanked as they banked on politics to win this one.......... tough shyte. Thanks,nutmegger, I had no idea yet another foreign company can see the vaue of American labor yet or elitist on wall street keep selling us short. Maybe they are unamerican ?
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x-nutmegger
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Wake up foolz wrote: <quoted text>Pull your head out of the sand in Florida and stick in the sand in Iraq. Jeff Sessions had alot to do with this deal also. At least Kit Bond from Mo. has a son fighting in Iraq! How many EADS/Airbus supporters can say that? Next you'll be supporting Wal-Mart and China selling American soldiers toothpaste. Boeing has a contract with the Japanese military and is assembling aircraft in Japan. Duh!
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Recordo
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Nobody uses American labor when they don't have to. That's simple economics. But outsourcing to China, Japan and India is the black hole over the rainbow. We cannot support this country's economy on corn and wheat. Without a solid manufacturing base America is a paper tiger. But that's politics. It doesn't have to be that way. I won't drive a Chinese polyester car but if Japan hadn't changed the rules of the game we'd still be driving iron-clad monsters from Detroit. Aviation is even more critical because the costs translate directly to dollars per mile. All I'm saying is that it is not wrong to underwrite a project like this with a combination of contracts and price supports. It IS wrong to gouge the US in engineering and production costs because loss of a contract like this translates to loss of spin-off contracts for commercial aircraft.
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groznic
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well here is abit more on that tanker deal.
The debate about the impact on American jobs is a murky one, because large manufacturing projects typically involve operations in many parts of the world, regardless of which company has a contract.
If Boeing tries to reverse the decision, it could find itself in a difficult position, accused of further delaying critically needed equipment in a time of war.
Boeing could also be forced to revisit the corruption scandal in 2004 that derailed a $20 billion deal for the company to lease refueling tankers to the Air Force. Two Boeing executives went to jail as a result, and the chief executive stepped down.
Boeing, the heavy favorite to win the contract, having built earlier tankers, promised a new boom but did not build a prototype. One analyst who followed the contest said that Boeing, based in Chicago, seemed arrogant and offered a plan that Air Force officials thought would deliver only 19 tankers by 2013 compared with 49 by the Airbus team.
"The Boeing team was not responsive and often was not even polite," said Loren Thompson, a military analyst at the Lexington Institute in Arlington, Virginia, based on conversations he said he had with military officials. "Somehow that all eluded senior management," Thompson said. "They were not even aware there was a problem."
But the hot rhetoric could sound overly nationalistic, and even hypocritical, once the real implications for jobs and national security become clear. Boeing, for example, would have made many of its own tanker parts overseas, and some experts say that claims of job losses to a foreign company seem exaggerated.
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Gilbert
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Yeah, what a great money saving guy McCain is. Really cutting that pork isn't he? Oh, BTW, did anyone notice, some of McCain's top campaign advisors just happened to be EAD lobbyists? Just a coincidence I'm sure!*wink wink nudge nudge*
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Joined: Apr 30, 2008
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Whats the deal with the tanker contract currently? I presume the USAF will redo the whole thing? Imagine if the deal was redone again and the EADS/Airbus KC-330 won again. All the wasted money and time fighting over the first and second awarded contracts.
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Joined: May 30, 2008
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Chippy Dave wrote: Whats the deal with the tanker contract currently? I presume the USAF will redo the whole thing? Imagine if the deal was redone again and the EADS/Airbus KC-330 won again. All the wasted money and time fighting over the first and second awarded contracts. Nothrop Grumman still holds the contract. It has not been cancelled. The USAF has 60 days to do its homework and address the GAO report, so it's unlikely that anything will happen before late August.
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Joined: Apr 30, 2008
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Sneed Hearn wrote: Nothrop Grumman still holds the contract. It has not been cancelled. The USAF has 60 days to do its homework and address the GAO report, so it's unlikely that anything will happen before late August. I presume EADS is pushing ahead with the factory in Mobile. What will happen if the decision is somehow reversed and the 767 is selected, thanks to politics. Some kind of compensation cheque covering costs they have spent so far since they were announced the winners of the contract.
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RedEagle
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Chippy Dave wrote: <quoted text>
I presume EADS is pushing ahead with the factory in Mobile. What will happen if the decision is somehow reversed and the 767 is selected, thanks to politics. Some kind of compensation cheque covering costs they have spent so far since they were announced the winners of the contract. Northrop and EADS have put their construction plans on hold. There is an Airbus engineering building that opened a couple of years ago, but all work related to the tanker is on hold.
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Free-i
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x-nutmegger wrote: Well you know how it goes. Repeated all over this forum ....no bid Haliburton...... No bid Haliburton .... No bid Haliburton.
So now a DoD contract is put out for bid and awarded on merit ... not on politics. Cry , cry and cry.
I guess it was expected to be WON on Boeing best proposal againist all competiton ( wink.wink.nod.nod).
NG/EAD will do 60% of the work in the U.S. plus EAD is moving the A330F assembly from Europe to Alabama.
Remember our labor in Alabama is very competitive along with the low dollar.
Boeing got spanked as they banked on politics to win this one.......... tough shyte. countree is low ? but country is ^? how about contro ? ;-)))))))))
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