What happened to 2nd chances? Convicted Felons are treated unfairly

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Jan 7, 2013
 
I also was convicted of a Felony in PA. I was guilty, but did my time, paid over $10,000 in fines, court cost and restitution. I graduated from college and now work at a 7-11 full time. I have a child on the way and just cannot find a decent job due to my criminal background. Our country simply does not care about people that paid their dues. We plan to leave this country to start over somewhere else. I used to love this country. Basically my opinion now is F#ck the USA.
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Feb 6, 2013
 
tim wrote:
<quoted text>After a felon slaps society in the face, why then does society have to take care of them. Crime should have negative consequences and foods stamps and other forms of gifts from society does not equal negative consequences. A person makes their choices and then they have to live with the consequences. If they had a temporary bout of insanity it still does not erase the crime. If they get religion after well good for them but it still does not erase the crime.Society can not function if people are not held accountable for their behavior.
So basically he says yea. you chose to commit a felony so theres no other way for you. And being judged by a jury of your peers is not being held accountable. Its this kind of thinking that has to stop. Because in that world you will always b a target. Why because its the only way ppl can get by..
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I just wanted to see it posted again.
Deceived in KY wrote:
When I was 18 I got wrapped up in a bad crowd, adopted a bad mindset, committed a felony, and served the next 15 years in prison. The day I got to prison I enrolled in school, spent the whole time in prison in school, earned GED, 3 college degrees, had a job as teacher's aide in both academic and vocational programs. In 15 years behind bars I was never in a single fight, and the worst rule I broke was owning an extra pair of jersey gloves. The whole time I'm incarcerated, at every turn I hear how education opens doors. I served out April of 2010, immediately start applying for jobs anywhere and everywhere. Time after time, same story - "we don't hire felons." Temp agencies won't help, government won't help, and all that education I picked up (of my own choice - none was mandated; there is no such thing as rehabilitation, prison is all about physical isolation and mental torment and emotional starvation and warehousing society's unwanted), all that education means nothing. I finished with GPAs well over 3.6, tested IQ is over 135, and of my own volition while in prison I went through every program and therapy available, every group therapy, every type of one-on-one counselling offered. I did every thing possible to better myself and change myself, to become a better person, and in spite of all I did to change my life, I can't even get the simple chance to put anything I've learned to use. McDonald's won't hire me. Kroger's won't hire me. I can't even get a job at a car wash, and they're about as indiscriminate as you can find.
Life in many ways is like a game of craps. People who go to casinos and plays craps do so with the expectation that they're going to have an honest chance. But if you commit a felony, from that moment on you'll only be given loaded dice with which to shoot.
Don't be deceived by what the media and the internet portray - this is not a land of equality. Did I do wrong at 18? Absolutely. I've never denied that. From day one I accepted responsibility for my actions. I did exactly what I was supposed to do, what society said I had to do. I owned up to my mistake, I paid for it, and I learned from it. And when I was supposed to be given something of a clean slate for having paid for my crime, when I was released from prison, that's when the real punishment began.
Surviving prison is the easy part. Making it on the outside after, when you're forever judged for the single worst thing you ever did, that's the impossible challenge America bestows on those who are almost without fail the least likely to be able to meet said challenge.
To those who have been there and managed to find jobs, well done - you're very rare exceptions to a Draconian system of rules. To those of you who like to sit and judge, I'm at a loss for words, other than to sincerely hope and pray that each of you get to experience life on the other end of the spectrum.
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#102
Feb 28, 2013
 
I too am a convicted felon.I've been denied work,food stamps medicaid and public housing. what choice do we have if we have essentially lost our assertive right to work and earn a living. convicted drug felons can not even feed themselves by utilizing government benefits "food stamps" in order to sustain their bodies while searching for employment. Chances are they probably will not get the job they are applying for anyway because of their "past". In my opinion it is a weakness on the part of human beings as a whole to let one another's past dictate our present. Former drug dealers are not nearly as bad as a proven child molester yet child molesters qualify for food stamps. If we as former drug offenders can not qualify for food stamps then no one should.
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tim wrote:
<quoted text>After a felon slaps society in the face, why then does society have to take care of them. Crime should have negative consequences and foods stamps and other forms of gifts from society does not equal negative consequences. A person makes their choices and then they have to live with the consequences. If they had a temporary bout of insanity it still does not erase the crime. If they get religion after well good for them but it still does not erase the crime.Society can not function if people are not held accountable for their behavior.
You are an f-ing idiot, go f-ing die and take your idiot opinion with you. Come back and join society when you have something constructive to say.
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People are felons because they have gotten convicted or a crime (regardless if they did it or not) in the U.S. Legal System. There are many people who have done unlawful things and most of them have not gotten caught. There are people who have been convicted for something they did not do only because the prosecution did not have a real suspect who committed the crime and they were willing do anything to win a case. The judicial system is flawed in every which way. If you don't know the laws (the majority of people do not) believe me it is in your to learn them. This is the only way you can deal with the legal system. There are alot of attornies that are not truly for the people.
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Mar 11, 2013
 
Please excuse the typographical errors. People are felons because they have gotten convicted for a crime (regardless if they did it or not) in the U.S. Legal System. Attornies should have been attorneys.
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In my personal opinion, Felonies have harsh consequences because it serves as a deterrent to keep society in order. If they made it "easier" for people who commit felonies to go back into society more people would be committing felonies. "Punish one and the rest will learn." It is definitely unfortunate to see honest folks who serve their time and pay their debt to society to have to suffer for the rest of their lives. People feel that it is better for the overall society. I am not going to debate on whether it is fair or unfair because many people can take many standpoints on it.
For instance, people would say yeah but if these people go back to a life of crime that is tax dollars being wasted into the prison system. Also police, DA, court and judge fees and times wasted to put this person back in prison. On the other hand it keeps the citizens in order as to not go through this long and strenuous of getting into all of this trouble. Therefore, many of the citizens think twice before doing something stupid.
Their are many impoverished countries who don't have a well tailored justice system that is properly enforced. India would be a good example, a woman raped on a bus and the police did not do anything about it. It caused massive riots around the town. Probably tons of damage to the roads, streets, and businesses. If the police had brought the crime to justice and properly investigated and charged the people responsible the riot probably would not exist because they are satisfied also because they are afraid of getting into trouble as well.
Just my 2 cents.
How are they to become productive members of society if they cant find jobs or housing. These "harsh' consequences that they so "deserve" in your opinion, affect society on a whole. Why do you think the rate of recidivism is so high...if they are left on the streets with no one wanting to hire them they turn back to the lifeof crime that got them in the spot their in the first place. Then they end up back in prison and taxpayers go right back for paying their bed and breakfast...so which do you prefer???
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May 8, 2013
 
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Thank you, I have been out of prison for five years now, I haven't even gotten a traffic ticket and i own a hotrod 86 camaro.
I know cars and trucks, but because of my conviction, like your fiance, i cant find a job, not even a temp job.
And the sad part is that I am in las vegas, they hire the illegals before they hire felons, which is worse, the true american who wants to turn his life around or the illegal that comes from a country where it is alright to force a twelve year old to have sex.
First off, My husband came here when he was 14 and was molested by two bosses here in the US and then gets told by these two men that if he said anything to authorities that they will make sure that he will go back to his country. Now that is wrong and they should have done that and they got away with Child molestation. Secondly, my husband has done no crimes that would make him a flight risk, he got caught up with the wrong people and he didn't have any clue what these people were about and going down with a drug charge, that means he will be a felon if found guilty. He is in the process of getting legal here in the US cause he wants to be here in the US and afraid to go back to his country cause of the violent crimes there. So my point is this, all illegals have a story behind them just like you have a story behind you. We don't judge people like you and so why judge them?
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Aug 15, 2013
 
tim wrote:
<quoted text>After a felon slaps society in the face, why then does society have to take care of them. Crime should have negative consequences and foods stamps and other forms of gifts from society does not equal negative consequences. A person makes their choices and then they have to live with the consequences. If they had a temporary bout of insanity it still does not erase the crime. If they get religion after well good for them but it still does not erase the crime.Society can not function if people are not held accountable for their behavior.
Wow you are really silly and seem uneducated, lets make sure the felons are living on the street corner eating garabage with the dogs "give us a break here" reality of it is more people are victimized in the long run when society makes sure to close almost every outlet for these people. As far as food stamps goes you really need to look up the facts here.... what if you were a convicted felon.
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Sep 10, 2013
 
tim wrote:
<quoted text>After a felon slaps society in the face, why then does society have to take care of them. Crime should have negative consequences and foods stamps and other forms of gifts from society does not equal negative consequences. A person makes their choices and then they have to live with the consequences. If they had a temporary bout of insanity it still does not erase the crime. If they get religion after well good for them but it still does not erase the crime.Society can not function if people are not held accountable for their behavior.
I didn't slap anyone but myself in the face. Drug possession 12 years ago is my one and only crime ever. Possession, not "with intent". I'm not asking to be taken care of, just clean my record so it looks like nothing has happened. The only right I got back was the right to vote... for crooked people. I have to kiss major butt and hope my governor seals my record to the public. I still can't own a gun. Never again. Target practiced with my dad as a hobby since childhood. Now I can't even be near a bullet. Guess for home protection I'll throw a sheet over my head, cut out some holes, pretend I'm a ghost and hopefully scare them away. I presume from your comments you must be Jesus Christ reincarnated. Never made a stupid decision you regret.
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Nov 12, 2013
 
I was convivted of a felony when I was 17 years old. I had been charged with burglary. I was denied health covrage for my two children and myself, When I was arrested I had taken all of the loose change I had taken out of the vehicles and bought food for both of my daughter that were saying with me in the run down motel across the street. Now at 22 I still cant find work. I recently became a can just so that I could have my certification stripped from me because of an incident that happened as a teenager. My kids and I struggle to get by on what odd end jobs I can find through my network in AA, and personal friend whom have helped get me past the delinquent behaviors of my past. society doesn't see me as a changing person or a better person, They see me as criminal, and I am treated as such... I have nothing else on my record not even a parking ticket.. and I ant get any government assistance no food stamps, medical or anything for my two daughters or myself... what do I do?
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<quoted text>After a felon slaps society in the face, why then does society have to take care of them. Crime should have negative consequences and foods stamps and other forms of gifts from society does not equal negative consequences. A person makes their choices and then they have to live with the consequences. If they had a temporary bout of insanity it still does not erase the crime. If they get religion after well good for them but it still does not erase the crime.Society can not function if people are not held accountable for their behavior.
So you're basically saying if someone gets convicted, then fuck 'em! The ignorance of your comment suggests absolute horror for society. Your opinion feeds into the idea of the justice system producing more trouble and is TOXIC for society, by not giving felons a chance or aid, they will return to commit MORE crime as a mechanism for survival. So instead of providing a small amount of aid to turn someone's life around, you're going to forsake them to an everlasting life of crime. I bet if you asked, most Americans would pay $1000/month in aid to avoid A LOT more crime in the future. It costs $1000/per prisoner PER DAY when someone goes to prison. That's $30,000/month for DECADES FOR THOUSANDS of people. So now that you have that option, what's better: reducing more crime in the future by investing in your community, OR paying out the ass for prisons to house the constant onslaught of criminals that result from policies that keep them down? If you asked, I'd bet everything I own that every felon would LOVE the chance to change their life for the better and make a difference, but they aren't given the means that non-felons are granted. That's called....DISCRIMINATION. This country was founded on the basis that "the poor, the sick, your wretched huddled masses" could come to AMERICA and make a dream real. You're saying that it should only apply to certain people. There are people in prison right now who have done NOTHING wrong, and you're turning your back on them. You'd never guess, but I spent 5years in FEDERAL PRISON only to have the state Supreme Court overturn my conviction.(Oh by the way, the states "star witness" was someone who's testimony ONLY consisted of a dream he had one night after sleeping....that's utter bullshit and I wasted 5 years of my life. So how do I get justice? How am I compensated? I have to live with that the rest of my life, consequences as you said, that it didn't deserve. And even though it was overturned, my criminal background check includes the case....so basically employers think "oh they didn't do a good job convicting him" or "the DA must've made a big mistake and he found a loophole, but I'm sure he's still guilty". You may as well call me a convicted felon. And I can't change shit....all because of people who say & think shit exactly like you.
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Jan 3, 2014
 
What I don't get it is this "wash your hands of it" mentality that all of society has about ex-felons, as if the people who committed whatever crime they did are all perpetual monsters and always will be. That's what they'd have to be to treat them the way these people do. And yet, these same people never have any intimate knowledge of the ex-felons cases. Usually, I find, it's because it's convenient for people to a) be on society's side out of fear for what other "normal" people will think of them, but especially b) because it's easier than having to take the time to learn of these ex-felon's individual cases, their hardships, and how they were usually totally as*-fu**ed by our American "justice" system (that is tainted at almost every level). They would then have to confront the reality that the "justice" system is anything but just, and most people can't handle the idea of even a tiny bit of contradictory evidence creeping in to destroy their perfect view of society. They are actually quite weak, choosing to defend ignorance rather than confront the truth. No wonder America is on the brink of insanity. It's downright ignorant to the 100th degree to assume that because someone did something wrong in their past in a moment of very poor judgement (or got lied about), then was forced to pay for it, in a hellish nightmare we call "corrections" that they would then be totally willing to do it again. THAT'S stupid thought. THAT'S an ignorant person's simpleton view of behavioral theory.

I feel for the many people who are chastised by society into not being able to work, not being able to eat, not being able to get transportation, housing, insurance, a life, AFTER they paid the just time society demanded that they have no choice but to turn back to doing something to survive that gets them back in the same system.

For all of you who say "lock em' up, they're scum," you deserve every label on your forehead that you put on them. You know not forgiveness. You know not love. You are the problem.
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Mar 20, 2014
 
tim wrote:
<quoted text>After a felon slaps society in the face, why then does society have to take care of them. Crime should have negative consequences and foods stamps and other forms of gifts from society does not equal negative consequences. A person makes their choices and then they have to live with the consequences. If they had a temporary bout of insanity it still does not erase the crime. If they get religion after well good for them but it still does not erase the crime.Society can not function if people are not held accountable for their behavior.
I am terribly sorry, but you seem to have no education so I would love to "enlighten you"
Good people make bad choices. Every single case is different. You have No idea what any given person has gone through in their lives, have you ever asked "why" would someone do that or what lead up to that with their lives? Slap society in the face?.. WE are All humans! Every human being brakes the law, some of them get caught. Running a red light is "slapping society in the face" what if you hit someone and cause a death?! I do believe that it is the other way around. Society cries out to addicts and felons they say "Change your life, you will have a much better life" , "Stay sober you can go to school and follow your dreams"! But then the same society is the one that shuns these people. No, you cant work here. No you cant NOT be an RN. We are all human beings living in this crazy world, some of us are late bloomers and some of us are taught wrong from the very beginning. That doesn't make us bad people. Society should and I am guaranteeing they will find a way to make sure people with non perfect backgrounds can once again upon proven change become a living part of their communities. Or yes, they will have to keep paying for them to go back to prison. You say criminals have to be held responsible for their actions. I agree with you totally. But where does it end? If Society keeps shunning others that have made a bad choice or two in their lives than we are NOT a whole but separated. We do not love each other, but this is a contest to see who comes out on top. Have you ever said something to someone you love and broke their heart?... Did they in turn forgive you?..What if they didn't forgive you, so you go around for the rest of your life knowing no forgiveness?
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So you're basically saying if someone gets convicted, then fuck 'em! The ignorance of your comment suggests absolute horror for society. Your opinion feeds into the idea of the justice system producing more trouble and is TOXIC for society, by not giving felons a chance or aid, they will return to commit MORE crime as a mechanism for survival. So instead of providing a small amount of aid to turn someone's life around, you're going to forsake them to an everlasting life of crime. I bet if you asked, most Americans would pay $1000/month in aid to avoid A LOT more crime in the future. It costs $1000/per prisoner PER DAY when someone goes to prison. That's $30,000/month for DECADES FOR THOUSANDS of people. So now that you have that option, what's better: reducing more crime in the future by investing in your community, OR paying out the ass for prisons to house the constant onslaught of criminals that result from policies that keep them down? If you asked, I'd bet everything I own that every felon would LOVE the chance to change their life for the better and make a difference, but they aren't given the means that non-felons are granted. That's called....DISCRIMINATION. This country was founded on the basis that "the poor, the sick, your wretched huddled masses" could come to AMERICA and make a dream real. You're saying that it should only apply to certain people. There are people in prison right now who have done NOTHING wrong, and you're turning your back on them. You'd never guess, but I spent 5years in FEDERAL PRISON only to have the state Supreme Court overturn my conviction.(Oh by the way, the states "star witness" was someone who's testimony ONLY consisted of a dream he had one night after sleeping....that's utter bullshit and I wasted 5 years of my life. So how do I get justice? How am I compensated? I have to live with that the rest of my life, consequences as you said, that it didn't deserve. And even though it was overturned, my criminal background check includes the case....so basically employers think "oh they didn't do a good job convicting him" or "the DA must've made a big mistake and he found a loophole, but I'm sure he's still guilty". You may as well call me a convicted felon. And I can't change shit....all because of people who say & think shit exactly like you.
Thank you,
I totally agree with you. I am currently in school for phlebotomy, I am a licensed cosmetologist, I have been clean for 8 years. I was thrown out onto the streets as a child and I do mean child I was 13, I don't know how many times I had to fight for my life. I ended up an addict, I was convicted of a drug possession at the age of 22. That was it. I might as well of thrown in the towel. But I didn't. at the age of 26 I moved far away. Started over. Most people who know me now would NEVER know I was a felon. No, I haven't been to prison, but I still have a 3rd degree felony. I want to be a Nurse so bad. Its funny. I have never been a "Recovering addict" I have just always been "Recovered" . Three weeks ago I dropped off two packages of diapers at our local pregnancy recourse center.. The lady in turn thanked me graciously and told me they were so low this was all they had. I left, went to Target and bought six more packages of diapers. I brought them back, she had tears in her eyes. I cant even tell you all the things I do for my community. My husband and I donate out of every paycheck to the United Way, we support Wilber the Pig at our Local Childrens Zoo. I have taken in a friends child and taken care of the little girl for seven months so she didn't have to put her up for adoption. But still, this is the same society that shuns me. The same people that call me at midnight because their car broke down and they need a ride. The same people that ask for my generous donations.. they all shun me and don't even know it!
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Mar 20, 2014
 
I am a mother of two little ones I have a seven year old felony ! I can't find a job or get housing for my kids ! I am a felon my kids are not!!!! I feel like they have to suffer for my crime that I commited b4 they were even born ! I have served my time its unfair that I cannot move foward with my life to make it better for my family.

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