Going Topless? The Naked Truth About Women and Bare Breasts

[Madison]

Mojoe wrote:

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If I may say without being offensive, I think that is one of the biggest problems in America today, that people believe they have the right to not be offended. I've looked, and I just cant find it in the Bill of Rights. Everyone is trying to controll everyone else, to protect their delicate sensibilities. Personally, I think Americans need to develope some tollerance. We're not talking public sex at the Wallmart here. Certainly there is a socially acceptable limit to behavior, but to say someone cannot do somthing, because it OFFENDS someone else, is rediculous. Almost anything someone does, could be offensive to someone else. People need to live their own lives, and stop trying to control everyone elses.

I don't think it's a problem with Americans that we wish to not be offended. If women want to go topless then they should go to a topless beach. They should not be allowed to be topless in public around people who do not want to see it. Topless clubs, nudist clubs, topless/nudist beaches are fine, but I do not want to see a woman without at least her bra on for any reason and I should not have to.

[Usama]

The moral standards of the majority DOES have legal weight, ecspecially in the regulations of municipalities. It may be that federal law allows porn to be produced someewhere within the nations borders, but that does not mean it can be made available in every outlet, ecspecially if the community doesn't want the kiddies coming home from school getting a Slurpee looking at hardcore porn at the magazine stand. So communities can regulate and restrict.

If someone is going to have sex in public in front of my kids, I'm giving them a few seconds to stop, get dressed and get the heck out of there before I knock them out and drag them through the dirt to the cops. I suspect 9 out of 10 cops would agree. As for bestiality, moral outrage towards it is beneficial for the survival of human society.
A society which longer holds sexual relations up to high standards with dignity and respect does not survive.
The notion that licentiousness is somehow equated with human progress is seriously missing the causation of moral decay evident throughout human history.

[Queue]

lordmagellan wrote:

ahh, the misoginistic oppression of women by men. perhaps older than civilization, itself. men have always placed the blame for their own misguided emotions at the feet of their women, declaring the nude female foul, and satanic and wrong.
"if it causes pleasantness, it must surely be evil! bare tits!?! gasp! surely this will cause sever damage to my own male psyche! i want to touch it- but i want to butcher it. it makes me warm- it makes me burn. damnable tit!you've cursed my soul to hell!! surely it is the woman's fault that i feel so dirty. of course she is to blame for my own pornographic imaginings. how can i be blamed when she is running around- bare, nude and pure, enticing and enchanting. my arousal tells me it is evil and should be punished accordingly.
cover! cover! cover the woman!! for the sake of our souls- cover her!"
i say, leave no tit covered. we have the right to bare arms. i say we need the right to bare breasts, as well.

Absolutely excellent. Just don't get used to praise from the Q. I dole it out like a miser..........

[Daniel P from Long Island]

Mojoe wrote:

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I am now offended...

PERFECTLY legal in California !

:)

[Usama]

No Queue. Revelling in verbage serves no value except self aggrandizement. And that appears to be a primary motivation in the proponents of nudity and licentiousness: how the license gratiates one's lust, fill's one's absence of self-value, shares one's own vacuous core with others, or more subtle versions thereof.

The human body is beautiful in its pure nature. It is intrinsically innocent. Yet humans have the propensity for nobility and goodness as well as decadence and grotesque evil. Moreover, the human does NOT exist alone. He and she live within societies wherein there are complex relations, contracts, interactions.

For the perservation of human purity and innocence, society should defend them in support of the goodness and nobility of humanity rather than allow for the decadence and evil to prevail.

The reality of human relations and interactions is that evil and decadent humans often conspire to destroy innocence and goodness. Human sexual predators are an extreme example of this. But prostitution and sexual slavery are the more prevalent. Even nonmarital sexual relations are a manifestation of this. Men and women participate in all of this.

And covering the human body is not simply the protection of the woman from the man, or the man from the woman. It is to reduce the physiological factors of visual stimuli which can adversely affect human interactions, relations, contracts, thereby reducing the likelihood of the propagation of evil and degradation of both, or all therein.

It is a known factor in capitalist marketting that SEX sells. The obvious benefits of this are profit. What are the detriments?

[genevieve]

Queue wrote:

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Absolutely excellent. Just don't get used to praise from the Q. I dole it out like a miser..........

Q, it has been a while. I have been quaking in fear of your next poison barb! I meant to tell you that I saw your photo. I was very impressed for a self-proclaimed troll!

:)

[Queue]

genevieve wrote:

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Q, it has been a while. I have been quaking in fear of your next poison barb! I meant to tell you that I saw your photo. I was very impressed for a self-proclaimed troll!
:)

Hey Gen. Thanks for the compliments.

Barb??????? MOI??????????

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!

;-)

[stickman9436]

Right on Mojoe;
I am so F**king tired of some body being offended that whole life styles have be changed. The problem started with "sensativity training" we have to attend "sensativity training" here at work every now and again. It is such a bunch of shit. Lincoln said it best " you can please some of the people some of the time.... most of the people most of the time.... but not all of the people all of the time.." so enough of the hyper sensative easily offended folks get a life nut up and just live and let live. If you don't like bare breast in public and it becomes the will of the people tough live with it and stop you F**king wining.

I could be offended every minute of every day and but ya know that just the way life is get a tough skin and get over it geeze. What a bunch of pussies we have become.
With all the wining going on some one should of up some cheeze to go with it

[Mojoe]

stickman9436 wrote:

Right on Mojoe;
I am so F**king tired of some body being offended that whole life styles have be changed. The problem started with "sensativity training" we have to attend "sensativity training" here at work every now and again. It is such a bunch of shit. Lincoln said it best " you can please some of the people some of the time.... most of the people most of the time.... but not all of the people all of the time.." so enough of the hyper sensative easily offended folks get a life nut up and just live and let live. If you don't like bare breast in public and it becomes the will of the people tough live with it and stop you F**king wining.
I could be offended every minute of every day and but ya know that just the way life is get a tough skin and get over it geeze. What a bunch of pussies we have become.
With all the wining going on some one should of up some cheeze to go with it

Thanks Stickman. Live and let live, I say.

[Daniel P from Long Island]

AnaM wrote:

What constitutes showing breasts in public? I think breasts are just like a man's chest, no huge deal, it's the individual's view that makes them pornographic or 'dirty'. Breastfeeding mothers effectively show their breasts on some level, and some people even find that offensive.
There shouldn't be a law against breasts.

It's perfectly legal in New York for a woman to go bare-breasted in public anywhere a man can do so, and it has been legal for at least 20 years.

[genevieve]

Queue wrote:

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Hey Gen. Thanks for the compliments.
Barb??????? MOI??????????
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!
;-)

As my dear nanny used to say, better a barb then a prick.

;)

You are after all my favorite troll. A dancing troll no less. Impressive!

[Subkitty20]

AnaM wrote:

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I think it's true about the unnatural feeling. I'd like to say that I'm 100% comfortable going braless, but the truth is that I'm not. It feels strange, not only that, for women with larger breasts, it may not be practical, because there is no way to avoid the sense of extra weight, and then there is the reality of gravity, and a portion of the world thinks that women have perky boobs for all eternity and tend to expect that. Me personally, I think it's weird for a mature woman to have boob implants. It looks wrong.

well said!

[stickman9436]

In my humble opinion, I believe the problem with alllowing women (that terms sounds terrible) to go topless is the constant sexualization of the females breasts. In the right setting ladys breast are quite sexual however in a non intamint setting breast are just another body part.

Our nations victoria era stance on sex and sexualtiy doesn't help. While sex like anything in life has it's consequences and its place tying a topless women walking down a street to a sexual practice is really like talking apples and oranges.

As a normal healthy male I do find it somewhat insulting when some women say that women going topless will get raped by men. I do not believe there is any data that supports that claim at all.

As another poster mentioned earlier after a while the public will get use to it, and then it will be as normal as seeing a beach ball at the beach.

There will always be that element that will stare and be inmature when confronted with a topless lady but there isn't much to do about that.

I would find it rather enjoyable to see topless women in public not to just see naked breast but just to see how much more confortable women would be if allowed to go topless.

Just my humble thoughts

[stickman9436]

Usama wrote:

The moral standards of the majority DOES have legal weight, ecspecially in the regulations of municipalities. It may be that federal law allows porn to be produced someewhere within the nations borders, but that does not mean it can be made available in every outlet, ecspecially if the community doesn't want the kiddies coming home from school getting a Slurpee looking at hardcore porn at the magazine stand. So communities can regulate and restrict.
If someone is going to have sex in public in front of my kids, I'm giving them a few seconds to stop, get dressed and get the heck out of there before I knock them out and drag them through the dirt to the cops. I suspect 9 out of 10 cops would agree. As for bestiality, moral outrage towards it is beneficial for the survival of human society.
A society which longer holds sexual relations up to high standards with dignity and respect does not survive.
The notion that licentiousness is somehow equated with human progress is seriously missing the causation of moral decay evident throughout human history.

Usama, I can agree with most of what you say, especially about holding sexual relations up to high standards with dignity and respect.

My ire is raised by those that want to ban things "because of the kids" I get particulary irritated by parents who take there kids to an adult function. I'll use and extreme example. If you were to take your kid to an adult swingers club where there is open sexuality, that get all upset because there was inappropriate behavior going on, whose fault is that. Certainly not the clubs fault it would be the parents.

Using your example of going to the beach and seeing a couple having sex. I that kind of behaivor were allowed then you would be at fault for exposing your children to that kind of enviornment.

Your solution of giving them a few seconds before you knock them out and drag them to the cops, would be ill advised. being a former cop I would probably give the couple a misdomeanor summons for public nudity or lewd conduct in public and than if you did knock them out and drag them to me I would arrest you for assult and battery.

Parents with children should understand something, as heartless as it may sound, in reality not every one likes kids. I myself don't mind them but if you drag your kinds into an enviornment that is not appropriate for children than expect every one to behave in front of your kids, I've got news for you take your kids and leave the environment you find so inappropiate. I'm really tired of the term child appropriate. Not everyone wants to be in a "kid friendly" enviornment. Some adults prefer to be in a grown up environment without having to worry about some parent getting upset because there kid my be harmed.

People complain that TV is to violent for kids, well than instead of encrouching on my ability to watch mature TV, how about being a responsible parent and paying attention to what your child watches

I do however; agree that children should not be exposed to porn or other such material, anyone who purposely peddles that to kids needs to be tuned up if you get my drift. Yes young kids need to be protected and educated about the hazards of the adult world, so as the child grows and becomes more informed they can enter the adult world with the appropriate tools to deal with adult things.

This education of children is the parents responsibility, not the government or anyone else for that matter.

[Mojoe]

stickman9436 wrote:

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Usama, I can agree with most of what you say, especially about holding sexual relations up to high standards with dignity and respect.
My ire is raised by those that want to ban things "because of the kids" I get particulary irritated by parents who take there kids to an adult function. I'll use and extreme example. If you were to take your kid to an adult swingers club where there is open sexuality, that get all upset because there was inappropriate behavior going on, whose fault is that. Certainly not the clubs fault it would be the parents.
Using your example of going to the beach and seeing a couple having sex. I that kind of behaivor were allowed then you would be at fault for exposing your children to that kind of enviornment.
Your solution of giving them a few seconds before you knock them out and drag them to the cops, would be ill advised. being a former cop I would probably give the couple a misdomeanor summons for public nudity or lewd conduct in public and than if you did knock them out and drag them to me I would arrest you for assult and battery.
Parents with children should understand something, as heartless as it may sound, in reality not every one likes kids. I myself don't mind them but if you drag your kinds into an enviornment that is not appropriate for children than expect every one to behave in front of your kids, I've got news for you take your kids and leave the environment you find so inappropiate. I'm really tired of the term child appropriate. Not everyone wants to be in a "kid friendly" enviornment. Some adults prefer to be in a grown up environment without having to worry about some parent getting upset because there kid my be harmed.
People complain that TV is to violent for kids, well than instead of encrouching on my ability to watch mature TV, how about being a responsible parent and paying attention to what your child watches
I do however; agree that children should not be exposed to porn or other such material, anyone who purposely peddles that to kids needs to be tuned up if you get my drift. Yes young kids need to be protected and educated about the hazards of the adult world, so as the child grows and becomes more informed they can enter the adult world with the appropriate tools to deal with adult things.
This education of children is the parents responsibility, not the government or anyone else for that matter.

Well said Stickman. If more people took responsibility for their own actions, and the raising of theit own children, instead of letting the school, or the daycare, or the government do it, the world would be a much better place.

Raising children is NOT just about protecting them, it is about allowing them to experience the world in a controlled maner, and then explaining the good and the bad to them, so they can react to it appropriately.

[James Winter]

The Beautiful Kind wrote:

The double standard that allows a man to jog down the street topless and hairy with boobs bigger than mine is sexist possessive bullshit. I don't know why America is so scared of female nipples.

nobody can or should disagree with this...EVER!

[James Winter]

Beasty wrote:

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Crazy or not, dont change the fact.

The more we see them, the less we care...

think of it like this...going topless in Europe is very COMMON at beaches...men and boys see these women ALL the time over there...are they raping women non stop? Are they CONSTANTLY HORNY or masturbating all over the beach?

no!

American men get all horny because it is NOT the norm...once we see it on a daily basis...who cares...we couldn't care less...the mystique is lost...there is no longer the curiosity of what she looks like under that blouse...no more downblouse or cleavage peeks..to some extent..that "fun" as it were is LOST...and for ME...as much as it may be fun to have women walking topless all over the place...I remember a Seinfeld where there is GOOD naked and BAD naked..and I agree with that BIG TIME! There are women and men for that matter that I really do not want to see topless...

and...I still like the mystique...NOW...I am still NOT a fan of brassieres..but I won't even begin to think that I'll win that discussion...it'll never happen ;)

[James Winter]

Travellin007 wrote:

As Gen pointed out earlier, breasts are legal here in Ontario.
The problem right now is moobs (man boobs), it is strongly felt that some should be made illegal to show in public, lol.

yeah but you need to get the bra errr manzere to take care of that jiggling!

[limba]

She stays at fuket in north virginia.
She prefers bathroom more than bedroom.
She wants to show her bath to me.
She expose her nipples to me.
She never felt it hesitating.
She kisses my parrot.

Guess who !

My cutest feast my sis-in-low !

[KansasMan]

I think it would be lovely for a woman to run in public with her tits out,but why shouldnt us guys be able to run around with our cock hanging out also,would that offend you women?or would you enjoy it????LOL