James Toney: "There will never be a White Heavyweight Champion"

[Lil Malice]

For those of you who saw the post fight press conference between Toney and Rahman on another popular boxing site, you know what James Toney said. For those of you who didn't see or hear it, here are some of his statements:

"Rahman is a real fighter; we ain't like these Germans and Russians you all trying to build up."

"We Afro-Americans... we ain't scared to fight nobody."

"You keep trying to build up the Great White Hype, it's not gonna happen"

"You all can stop all that"

"There isn't going to be a white heavyweight champ, unless it's in Europe... and that's real"

He mentions the Klitchkos and Valuev. Rahman is heard laughing in the background along with most of the pussy crowd who won't stand up to these despicably racist comments.

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Here is the link to the video:

http://www.maxboxing.com/windowsmed...anPostF...

I don't know if you can watch it if you're not a member

The statements are around the 9:15 mark.

[edo bg]

What can you say, steroids ate his brains out.

[Joe Bowden]

TONY IS SO BLACK THAT HE DOESN,T CAST A SHADOW AND HE IS AS WRONG AS HE IS BLACK. there are 3 white heavyweight champions now and he better keep taking his steroids or perhaps crack?

[Patriq]

He was refering to an American Great white hope, he says there wont be an American Champ, not those steroids the russians are taking who knows what.

[edo bg]

Excuse me. Steroids with the russians? U got to be joking. Who got busted for using steroids. That's right it is always american athletes that cheat. Klitchko has a phd in fitness and health. U really think he would take roids? And the rest of the Russian fighters are all 6.3 and way up from there. None of them weighs more than 260. If they were on roids they would be a lot bigger. Black fighters have dominated heavyweight division for a long time. We eastern europeans never cried about it or said that we need a "great white hope" because we don't focus on color as much as the americans do. So nov try focusing on gettin the great black hope because we got the heavyweight division on lock. Oh and another thing, i've spoken to some of my friends from eastern europe that are promoters. The next generation of heavyweights that is coming out is SCARY!

[Patriq]

edo bg wrote:

Excuse me. Steroids with the russians? U got to be joking. Who got busted for using steroids. That's right it is always american athletes that cheat. Klitchko has a phd in fitness and health. U really think he would take roids? And the rest of the Russian fighters are all 6.3 and way up from there. None of them weighs more than 260. If they were on roids they would be a lot bigger. Black fighters have dominated heavyweight division for a long time. We eastern europeans never cried about it or said that we need a "great white hope" because we don't focus on color as much as the americans do. So nov try focusing on gettin the great black hope because we got the heavyweight division on lock. Oh and another thing, i've spoken to some of my friends from eastern europe that are promoters. The next generation of heavyweights that is coming out is SCARY!

I have to agree with you, on some points you made, I was refering to white americans and the great white hope idea. I heard a boxer say just last week that most of the american fighters are just getting too soft after they make a bit of good money, they are not hungry, but dont count them out if they are not hungry I know a few up and coming one punch KO boxers like Tyson are on the way to take it all back!!! eastern Euro boxers are taking on the old cats now, the younger ones are just now getting on the scene.

[edo bg]

Ah come on man, you don't really believe that? Oleg Maskaev was like 37 last month when he beat rahman that who was much younger. Just admit that the euros have gotten better than they used to be. Team USA lost to Greece this morning, by the way. I'm not trying to say that Eastern Europeans are superior athletes to Blacks. What i am saying is that we are right there with ya'll

[WinningThePooh]

Suffice it to say, the race-centric discourse is both sickening as it's close to real. History, like God, can be frustrating trying to figure out their modus operandi. But the way I see it, the entire sport of Boxing is starved of the kind of "real deals" that got me interested in the sport as I grew up in the late 70s and 80s. That was when you excellent chins, durable and/or durable power punching-non-calculating boxers who fought whoever was thrown at them. Back when you had 15 Rounds of Boxing, to learn, if you weren't a savage person, at best, lessons about the human spirit and the power of mind over sword. Think the Nigel Benns, Eubanks, Durans, Sugar Ray Leonards, even talent-squandered-old-too-soon -smart-too-late Tysons. Not wait intelligently and duck(think names like Lennox Lewis and Calzage) for boxers to pass their primes and then get lucky on them and grow. That's why I respect the Floyd Mayweather, Jnr.s of today's boxing. Like racism, you can deny it all you want (and claim the usual nonsensical "I have "black" friend" crap), but intelligent people know, implicitly or explicitly, about the "great white hope" phenomena.

I think Valuev is great for the sport...Only he emerged (whatever the reasons) at a time too convenient, respectfully but durst I say, at a time when his country men, nationalists, and other bigots get to cheer more for the façade. The façade that despite the strong chins of Toney (steroid or not), both the division and sport lacks the collective standard-bearers that challenge. Remember Sonny Liston v. Ali? I mean, look at Chris Byrd? I would have constant family fights with him if he were my brother, if for no better reason, the twofold reasons of his chosen profession and refusal to stand, fight, or box with grace. It's not a European thing...We know the truth, and the truth is: this is a great time for European fighters (white or not), who never really made a dent collectively speaking, like those from the Americas and even Africa did (think Azumah Nelson). So get real, and clean the racism here. Or else, I won't return. Which is what you prefer anyway!

[dick morgan]

Do we still live in a black/white world ??? I thought only people in Alabama still talk like that.

[jimmy]

If there ever is a "real white champion" considering russians are classed closer to monsters than white, then he will be from somewhere in eastern europe (poland/romania some parts are poor like ghettos without gangs), italy (naturally strong, past italian champ/s e.g. marciano, known for being strong) or ireland (naturally tough toughness that can be even compared with that of mexicans maybe more than them, known for fighting. Wherever they come from one things for sure they will have to be a fierce warrior.

[edobg]

jimmy wrote:

If there ever is a "real white champion" considering russians are classed closer to monsters than white, then he will be from somewhere in eastern europe (poland/romania some parts are poor like ghettos without gangs), italy (naturally strong, past italian champ/s e.g. marciano, known for being strong) or ireland (naturally tough toughness that can be even compared with that of mexicans maybe more than them, known for fighting. Wherever they come from one things for sure they will have to be a fierce warrior.

You're right on the money with the eastern european part. They are genetically bigger and stronger then other whites. No doubt about that... Oh, and a lot of them are poor and that is their only way out. Pretty good mix for a champ.

[Cwebb]

Big, Strong and confident white men are very scarry!

[SOHC 4]

James Toney was AMAZING for such a short heavyweight. The little "doughboy" decisioned Johnny Ruiz (before being disqualified), and drew with Rahman! Age 38 and he's got problems now. It appears that 24 rounds with Sam Peter has scrambled his brains, somewhat.

[mike d]

the eastern europeans are white just like any other white person on the planet. they have a very tough life. tougher than blacks in america. any person who knows their history knows what those people have gone threw under communism. they r tough as nails.

[damilola]

edo bg wrote:

Excuse me. Steroids with the russians? U got to be joking. Who got busted for using steroids. That's right it is always american athletes that cheat. Klitchko has a phd in fitness and health. U really think he would take roids? And the rest of the Russian fighters are all 6.3 and way up from there. None of them weighs more than 260. If they were on roids they would be a lot bigger. Black fighters have dominated heavyweight division for a long time. We eastern europeans never cried about it or said that we need a "great white hope" because we don't focus on color as much as the americans do. So nov try focusing on gettin the great black hope because we got the heavyweight division on lock. Oh and another thing, i've spoken to some of my friends from eastern europe that are promoters. The next generation of heavyweights that is coming out is SCARY!

i do not have d intention of criticising you personally but ur comments are always racially and regionally motivated,boxing has existed for hundreds of years and because we have four disputable eastern europeans champion now is not enough for u to cast aspersions on other part of d world.b4 now some section of d world has dominated and produced all d undisputed that ever existed.what is even colour in sport?Why can´t u see klitschko or sultan as an athlete and not as an eastern european,do u think u can reduce american or afro american boxing feat?mayfeather senior and emmanuel steward that are building up these ur so called eastern heroes,are they not black americans?where was wladmir b4 steward came to his rescue?didn´t mayweather snr trained sultan to beat briggs,holyfield and so on,do u think these trainers have no other black promising boxers to train?if they are thinking with the intention of building afro american boxing dominion do u think it is impossible? the way u are thinking and writting u just want to jeopardise the good will these ur so called eastern european fighters are enjoying,tell me any of these ur fighters that have not benefitted from american training facilities and expertise? Why can´t u see the skill in a boxer and forget about his color and what part of d world he hails from.i have never seen u write anything positve about a black or american fighters,u must know that God did not create us equally, some people are more gifted than the other and some people are just unbeatable and impregnable,despite all ur negative comments about samuel peter, mayweather and other black boxers they are still doing well,it is time u and ur regional jingoist forget about these color and geographical sport sentiment,this is just my advice to u and i have no intention of hurting or casting aspersion on u.b4 i forget u said klitschko never took a steroid b4,but vitalis tested positive to steroid in his amateur days.let us just be objective and be bold enough to speak d truth at all times,boxing is more than colour and any race.if u are good u are good.i remembered vividly when vitalis took on danny williams,i never said danny will beat vitalis bcos he is black.it is pure common sense.when vitalis was in his element i used to be his fan but now he is no longer fit,it would be stupid of me to still be saying he would beat a guy that is fitter and in his prime.i never said robert hawkins will beat virchis bcos hawkins is black,these are pure truth.just try and be speaking based on quality and skill not based on regional emotions.this is my advice anyway.

[NateKnuckles]

Well, anything can happen in a sport like boxing. There is a change in the Black youth in America now. Sports are not the only option. There are young Blacks who have opted to take full time jobs, college and the military.

You can be what you want to be. I am a long time boxing and martial arts participant and fan. Nothing will remain the same forever.

I am Black and I do not see the committment of Blacks in boxing like it has in the past. There are a lot of factors. One is higher education, college.

Football, wrestling, basketball, etc. offers scholarships, most of the great athletes can play for free or semi-free and still receive a valuable education and a job.

But on the other end of the spectrum, plenty of Black men are chosing drugs and gangs as an occupational option. As a result, Black Americans are not putting out their best. Boxing is still a wonderful sport regardless and it is all up to the individual and what is his values and priorities!

Right now boxing is not the same sport that was in its peak during the years of Sugar Ray Leonard! Young Blacks have more viable options!

[Juan]

Don't rule out that many black fighters are now going into MMA instead of boxing. This is my speculation based on instinct not on any hard evidence. Someone taking a quick look at the MMA scene now vs 10 years ago would easily see that there is a growing trend for american black fighters toward embrassing MMA. Will they dominate in the future? Possibly. It is not a racist view but one of strong opinion that some american blacks are somewhat of the "Belgian Blues" of the negro race. I think it is an accepted opinion to say that some were selectively coupled to have bigger, stronger children. And as a good friend of mine whose father was a very large Alabamian African-American told me, according to his view only 20% of Africans survived the cruel voyage to the Americas when slaves were being brought. Logically one could assume that only the strongest survived. So starting with strong genes then adding the selective coupling would only produce very strong offspring. They could dominate many US sports on average for some centuries to come. Maybe.

[NateKnuckles]

Juan wrote:

Don't rule out that many black fighters are now going into MMA instead of boxing. This is my speculation based on instinct not on any hard evidence. Someone taking a quick look at the MMA scene now vs 10 years ago would easily see that there is a growing trend for american black fighters toward embrassing MMA. Will they dominate in the future? Possibly. It is not a racist view but one of strong opinion that some american blacks are somewhat of the "Belgian Blues" of the negro race. I think it is an accepted opinion to say that some were selectively coupled to have bigger, stronger children. And as a good friend of mine whose father was a very large Alabamian African-American told me, according to his view only 20% of Africans survived the cruel voyage to the Americas when slaves were being brought. Logically one could assume that only the strongest survived. So starting with strong genes then adding the selective coupling would only produce very strong offspring. They could dominate many US sports on average for some centuries to come. Maybe.

Juan, that was a great comment and a good observation! I have notice that the Black NCAA Wrestlers are becoming a force in MMA!

Most of them in the past used to go into professional wrestling or fought in world amateur competitions and making money from sponsors.

Now they seem to be easily making the adjustment to MMA and winning nationally as well as internationally.

I think all of American and Canadian wrestlers should give thanks to the Gracies! MMA is a great sport with unlimited potential!

Most of the Black powerful wrestler/MMA fighters seems to be coming out of the colleges in the midwest!