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paul

Sheffield, UK

#212 Jan 31, 2013
Appologies i have just looked at one of the first pages in this blog or whatever its called

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/2/17850/ ...

thats serious heavy s**t that needs to be nipped in the bud
paul

Sheffield, UK

#213 Jan 31, 2013
paul wrote:
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How do you know it dosent work, have you tried it? And yeah prayer by itself doesnt work you need to want to change and have enought of a reason to do so, my reasons were simple i didnt want to end up dead from my addiction, or end up in prison on a murder charge or be murdered myself,(as the bible says "hating and being hated" goin nowhere, so do you have a reason to change or do you just want to slag of people that have? Where did these alleged rapes etc take place cos when i was at TC in Wales in the 1980s i never saw anything like what youre saying so you are either full of s**t or it must have happened somewhere else and if it did serious actions need to be taken, and if you are full of s**t you need to grow up and get a life.
Appologies i have just looked at one of the first pages in this blog or whatever its called

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/2/17850/ ...

thats serious heavy s**t that needs to be nipped in the bud
paul

Sheffield, UK

#214 Jan 31, 2013
Michael Kincheloe wrote:
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At the Shafter and Riverside, CA Teen Challenge locations, Jesus is used more like a modern-day Sword of Damocles than a loving and understanding savior.
These two locations employ "discipline" in such a way that crosses into civil rights violation territory. The abuse that "students" are forced to endure (or leave and be put back in jail or state prison) motivated me to put together a web site:
http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com
You can pray until your tongue is dragging on the ground, but you'll never turn a pickle back into a cucumber. Never.
When did you go to TC and did you get freedom from either your alchol or drug addiction and are you still living drug/alchol free now? Did you find that the experince in the usa differs from the teen challenge in the uk? Me personally never experinced any abuse whilst i went through the rehab in Teen Challeneg in Wales, if i had i would have kicked the s**t out of whoever was trying to abuse me in any way whatso ever, so i guess things are run differnt where you went to TC, i experinced real christian love for the first time in my life when i went to teen challenge, it was life changing. I did not know what love was until i went there and at first i thought they were all nuts, and tested them all to see if they were all genuine, before i started to trust any of them, i was abused as a child, so i can spot a bull sh**ter a mile away, because people that abuse children are the biggest liars and bull sh**ters on the planet. So i think it is very sad that you have had such a negative experince of christianity and pray that you will have a real and life changing experince with God, because if you do it will change your life for ever. People will always let you down and you can never trust any person 100% because every person on the face of the planet earth is not perfect and will make mistakes,will hurt you and let you down at some point. Thats life, thats the human condition, however i have found that God has never let me down, never. People have all the time, people are full of s**t, most are well meaning but still full of s**t. Any way i hope that you will have a real and life changing experince with the Lord God, cos he never lets anyone down, and has never let me down.
Paul

Sheffield, UK

#215 Feb 5, 2013
mo sullivan wrote:
I was one of the first students through the program in the UK circa 1984 !The program is for people who have made a decision to follow Jesus , it is tough , without it I do not know how my life would have turned out ?I dont want to indulge on this forum my past , however if you would like to take the time to read John Macey's book ,Tough Love , I was one of the worst cases they had to deal with ...In my opinion It was God's provision ....I was there , be very careful when it scrutinizing a genuine ministry especially without experience !
Hi Maurice good to see that you are still around, its been a long time since i saw you or any one, i was there with you and Paul, Phil,MICK and Mick and the other Phil who did the sponsored 5 mile run, when Sister Mu, Sister Betty and Brother Ken,Brother Clive, Elaine, Trevor, Mark from Rhyl, and all the others, long time Mo, but glad to see that you are still around, bless you Brother.
Freebird

United States

#218 Sep 22, 2013
I was at TC in Indy in 1972. I was shocked when I read the horror storys. Nothing like that went on when I lived there. What the hell happened ?
yola

Selma, CA

#219 Jan 21, 2014
My daughter went to Victory Outreach Womens Home,she left the next day because she had to wear a dress to church. She's just coming off the streets and their putting demands on her. God said come as you are. Now she's back on the streets abusing drugs and pregnant.
Paul Sheffield

Sheffield, UK

#220 Mar 28, 2014
"My daughter went to Victory Outreach Womens Home,she left the next day because she had to wear a dress to church. She's just coming off the streets and their putting demands on her. God said come as you are. Now she's back on the streets abusing drugs and pregnant."

I am very sad to hear about your daughter, that is heart breaking and very worrying and very hard for you; but know this God does care and God loves you and your daughter, i am now going to be praying for you both and God is full of compassion, love, grace and mercy. Gods timing is always perfect and i am sure that God has a plan and purpose; remember God is a farther and had to see his beloved son get crucified for our sins; so when your heart breaks so does his, he knows what you are going through as he has been through heartbreak himself and i believe with all my heart that Gods heart is broken eveyday when he sees the destruction of sin in our lives and God is just waiting with an aching broken heart for your daughter to turn to him, remember he always meets us where we are at, i know as an ex drug addict and teen challenege student from way back in 1985, bless you.

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