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Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#1 Apr 3, 2010
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are Americas future. Furthermore, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are Americas "sleeping giant".

Now, ideology & class "factor in" more than "race". But, race still matters.

And in regards to the "racial component".---- It is INEVITABLE, that in years to come, that power in America will be divided between these 2 "racial" groups.---- 1. Non-Hispanic Whites. 2. Hispanics. And among the Hispanics, the 2 top / major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans. The Mexicans will be VERY dominant on the West Coast / Southwest. And the Dominicans will be VERY dominant on the East Coast. And the South & Midwest will be divided between the Mexicans & the Dominicans.

And Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) ALREADY have VAST numbers in America. For instance ---- Back in July, 2001, Hispanics overtook african Americans as being Americas numerically dominant "minority". And this JUST takes into account JUST the legal Hispanics. This doesn't even take into account the 14-16 million illegal Hispanics. And as of 2 days ago, some sources have put the number of illegal Hispanics at 20-25 million.

And from July, 2001 till now, Americas Hispanic population (The legal Hispanics as well as the illegal Hispanics) has increased by A LOT more.

And a decade from now & beyond (Especially 15-20 years from now), Americas Hispanic population (The legal Hispanics as well as the illegal Hispanics) will be increasing by WAY, WAY, WAY more due to Hispanic migration & Hispanic birthrates. Especially because of Hispanic migration.

And since Hispanics will have such VAST, VAST, VAST numbers in America, Hispanics will TOTALLY undercut / outsource / phase out african Americans. Since Hispanics will have such VAST, VAST, VAST numbers in America, Hispanics will be the ones getting the aid, the jobs (Especially the jobs), the housing, the health care & the education. Not african Americans.

And this will DEFINITELY happen because Hispanics will have such VAST, VAST, VAST numbers in America.

And will Hispanics be "empowering" african Americans?---- Uhhh, nope ---- http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/... & http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2... .. And just wait what things will be like 15-20 years from now when Hispanics & Caribbean born blacks have the MASS numerical numbers over african Americans on the East Coast, in the South & in the Midwest.

And the CRITICAL factor is Americas southern border. And absolutely nothing will be done about it.

In years to come, America will become the LARGEST "Latin" nation. And Spanish will be spoken VERY frequently.

And in years to come, America will look like a larger Dominican Republic.

And it is inevitable, that in years to come, that power in America will be divided between these 2 "racial" groups.---- 1. Non-Hispanic Whites. 2. Hispanics. And among the Hispanics, the 2 top / major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
Real future

Stockbridge, GA

#2 Apr 9, 2010
The FUTURE is COLORED!!

http://warofthewords777.tripod.com/
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3 Apr 9, 2010
Real future wrote:
The FUTURE is COLORED!!
http://warofthewords777.tripod.com/
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I looked over your whole link which you posted. And your link was VERY leftwing, afrocentric, anti-capitalist & anti-White.

Your point here.---- You said "The FUTURE is COLORED!!".----
Yes & no. And this is why.---- Some "colored" will be the future. Whereas "other" colored won't.

Now, for Asian nations, yes, there is a future. And especially for China. Just look at Chinas TREMENDOUS economic growth from 1992 till now. And 1992 was the year because this was when ex. president, democrat Bill Clinton gave China as well as Russia the "Most Favored Nation Status". And from 1992 till now, China & Russia have been embracing capitalism/laissez faire/free market & they have been experiencing TREMENDOUS economic growth.

And China is pretty much "morphing" from a leftwing, communist dictatorship into a Fascist type / style dictatorship.

In addition, from 1992 till now, China has been buying up a lot of property on both sides as well as well inland of the Panama Canal.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#4 Apr 9, 2010
Real future ---- And this phenomenon right here ---"Globalization".- --- From 1992 till now, Chinas economy has been (And it currently is) VERY intertwined with Americas as well as with Israels & Great Britains. And to a lesser extent, with Russia's.

And here's an example of how China is "expanding" globally.---- Chinas recent trade agreements / deals with black African nations. China put up $9 billion to black African nations. And in return, China has access to OVER $250 billion worth of black Africas natural resources / raw material base(s). And China is coming into Africa with Chinese workers. Subsequently, there WON'T be any job creation for black Africans. So, these Chinese firms don't create local jobs in these black African nations. And the Chinese are exporting EVERYTHING. And in order for China to get the raw materials from Zimbabwe & "other" African nations, China must bring in equipment as well as build infrastructure. But, China is hiring their OWN workers OVER the locals. Subsequently, this MEANS that the Chinese will control the infrastructure as well as the employment. Furthermore, the roads which the Chinese are building in the black African nations, the Chinese workers are building these roads. And these roads which are being built are NOT for black Africas infrastructure. These roads are being built solely for transporting the raw materials out of Africa.

And since the Chinese have set up shop in black Africa, MANY African businesses have gone out of business. Especially in Cameroon. And the Chinese NOW own the African businesses.

In addition, the Chinese are exempt from ANY taxes on the extraction & commercialization of the minerals.

And the black African leaders are trading raw materials for cash & weapons. So, African leaders are trading raw materials for WORTHLESS paper money & for weapons which are manufactured by the Chinese. Subsequently, all the Africans are getting is worthless paper money & weapons, which are produced by the Chinese. So, the Chinese win. And the black Africans lose. And they lose yet again.

And what is even WORSE ---- For quite some time now, China & Russia have been "fueling" many tribal / civil wars throughout black Africa. Primarily in the black African nations of Rwanda, Burundi, Chad, Uganda, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Central African Republic & in the Sudan. And these wars have escalated from tribal / civil wars into exterminations of several black African tribes. And this is especially the case / deal in the Sudan. In the Sudan, the Arabic controlled north is aligned with mixed black African tribes & some other black Sudanese tribes ((Primarily the Janjaweed)(On the one side)) & they are exterminating several different black African tribes. Primarily the black African tribes of Darfur.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#5 Apr 10, 2010
Real future ---- Americas Hispanic population (Legal Hispanics as well as illegal Hispanics) is increasing by DELIBERATE design. NOT by "accident". And Americas Hispanic population has been increasing by deliberate design since at least the late 1970s because this is what the American politicians as well as what American businesses (American big businesses & small businesses) & the American business lobby wanted & currently want. And actually, Hispanic migration to America has REALLY picked up tempo within the last 20 years because of this phenomenon.---"Globalizat ion". And globalization as it pertains to this hemisphere.---- "The North American Union". And globalization affects ALL of these areas.---- The nations of the worlds economies, industries (Heavy industries as well as light industries), finance / banking, job markets, standard of living, gas prices, etc.. And within the last 20 years, the whole world & ESPECIALLY this hemispheres markets have undergone changes in these areas.--- The electronics revolution & the shift from manufacturing & industrial capital to finance capital as the central feature of economic activity.

And here are just some of the reasons why Hispanic migration (Legal Hispanics as well as illegal Hispanics) & some Caribbean black migration is "allowed" to come into America.----

1. Hispanic migration (Legal Hispanics as well as illegal Hispanics) & some Caribbean black migration helps erase the borders between Mexico, Central America, South America & the Caribbean basin. And this helps to push towards the "North American Union". And the North American Union is this hemispheres equivalent of the "European Union" (E.U.). However, the North American Union is more intricate.

2. Hispanic migration (Legal Hispanics as well as illegal Hispanics) & some Caribbean black migration form a cheap labor source, so that American businesses can hire them to do jobs that Americans won't do. And even MORE so, this drives down wages. And this helps to "destroy" most American labor unions from "within".
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#6 Apr 10, 2010
Real future wrote:
The FUTURE is COLORED!!
http://warofthewords777.tripod.com/
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"A followup".---- The "racial component" in regards to immigration to America. For example.--- If Mexico was a black nation, would the politicians in Washington D.C., American businesses (American big businesses & small businesses), the American business lobby & most of White America tolerate "illegal" let alone EVEN legal immigration to America?--- Answer.--- ABSOLUTELY NOT!

And if one isn't sure, just look at what happens to black Haitian refugees.

If Mexico was a black nation, MULTIPLE walls would have been built at Americas southern border & the U.S. military, National Guard, security forces & border guards ALL would have been stationed at the U.S.s southern border back as early as the 1960s.

And this correlates in.---- Refugees / immigrants who come to America DON'T receive equal treatment. It has worked this way, it currently works this way & it will ALWAYS work this way. Here are some examples.----

Refugees / immigrants from Mexico, from Central America (From El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras &/or Guatemala) & from South America (From Colombia, Ecuador &/or Peru) are WELCOMED into America.

However though, black Haitians from Haiti are NOT welcome. Unless, if the Haitian would be a very high ranking member of Haiti's military, security forces, police &/or a member / associate of the FRAPH &/or FADH organizations.

Here's another example.---- Refugees / immigrants from Cuba have been welcomed & are currently welcomed into America.

However though, black Haitians from Haiti are NOT welcome. Unless, if the Haitian would be a very high ranking member of Haiti's military, security forces, police &/or a member / associate of the FRAPH &/or FADH organizations.

And I point this out to show that this stuff is happening NOT by "chance" nor by "coincidence". This stuff is DELIBERATE. It has been & is currently the deliberate policy of the U.S. gov't.

Americas Hispanic population is increasing by DELIBERATE design because this is what the politicians & businesses (Big businesses & small businesses) & the business lobby wanted & currently want.

And african Americans have been sold out for Hispanic labor (Primarily Mexican labor). And african Americans have been "sold down the river" by the political party which "claims" to "represent" them.---- The democratic party.

african Americans are regarded as being Americas past. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are regarded as being Americas future.
Marco827

United States

#7 May 8, 2010
You start this topic a if all Latinos are brown or black. Most are white or mixed there's only about 100 million of us black Latinos about 40% mixed that includes black American Latinos. So actually this countrys future is still overwhelmingly non colored and with over 200 million whites in this country I don't see that changing too much.
Marco827

United States

#9 May 8, 2010
39ehonor wrote:
<quoted text> Afro-Latinos are not Latinos--They are black, and all of them are descended from black slaves

ugh yeah many of us are African desendants except the few who are spanish but we are still Latinos get ya facts straight
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#10 May 14, 2010
Marco827.---- Before I respond back to your previous posts to me, I just saw on another thread where you mentioned that you were a Black Dominican. MUCH respect.

And this is why I say this.---- My mothers family comes from Santo Domingo. They came to America in the "5th wave" of Dominican immigration to America. And this would have been in the late 1950s. Right after Jesus Galindez's disappearance & right before Trujillos "neutralization". The 1st wave of Dominican immigration would have been in the 1930s.

Hey Marco, have you checked out the Dominican Republic forum on Topix? Or, DominicanToday?

I use to be a regular poster on the Dominican Republic forum on Topix from around late January, 2008 till around early September, 2008. And so were a lot of our fellow countrymen.--- Aka/ala.---- Greenwave / Onde Vert, Jean, DominicanPride, Willy, Pepe, A-Rod & antonia.

And primarily on the thread titled ---- "Anti-Haitian Bias Rooted in Dominican History".

And there were a lot of Haitian posters on the Dominican Republic forum on Topix.---- Aka/ala.---- Ivy, Nupey, Zabulon, Haytian Pride, boum, antonioj, lizzie, Kreole Empire, gigi & Haiti Slim.

And actually, the Haitians were TOTALLY cool.

Unfortunately though, some of our fellow countrymen (Primarily Greenwave, Pepe & DominicanPride) didn't hit if off too well with the Haitians. They blamed Haitian immigration for our nations problems. Now, it is true that Haitian illegals do put strains on the D.R.. But, I pointed out that there was more to it, etc..

I haven't posted on the Dominican Republic forum since early September, 2008. I just haven't had the time. And actually, pretty much all of our fellow countrymen as well as even the regular Haitian posters also left the D.R. forum right around the same time. Pretty much only Haytian Pride, boum, Nupey & antonio stayed. And then, Nupey & antonio even left.

And again, MUCH respect.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#11 May 14, 2010
Marco827.--- In regards to your previous post to me, post #7.----- You said "You start this topic as if all Latinos are brown or black. Most are White or mixed".---- Yep, you are absolutely correct about this. And I was totally well aware of this. When I made this thread, maybe I should have said a bit more & elaborated a bit about this stuff.

But I'm totally well aware of the "racial breakdown" & racial dynamics & racial politics, etc..

You say "So actually this countrys future is still overwhelmingly non colored and with over 200 million Whites in this country I don't see that changing too much".---- I TOTALLY see "eye to eye" with you about this.

In addition, population "numbers" are secondary. THIS is what counts & what matters the MOST. And by FAR.---- Who controls / runs this stuff.-----
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Israeli Mossad organization, the British MI6 organization, the Caribbean & Latin American Rightwing Paramilitary organizations, the military (As well as the militaries on many different nations), the security forces (As well as the security forces of many different nations), the police (As well as the police forces of many different nations), the banking / finance (As well as the banking / finance of many different nations), the heavy & light industry (As well as the heavy & light industry of many different nations), the raw materials / natural resource base(s)(As well as the raw materials / natural resource base(s) of many different nations), the agriculture (As well as the agriculture of many different nations), the Rightwing International Zionist Movement & the Rightwing National Zionist Movement.

And who controls / runs all of this stuff?---- Whites. But even WAY MORE so, the White Rightwing / Rightwing Zionists in America, Israel & in Great Britain.

But, with Hispanics having VAST, VAST, VAST numbers in America in years to come, Hispanics will have the "honorary minority status" & the "preferential minority status" with the U.S. federal, state & local gov'ts. Subsequently, Hispanics will be the ones getting the aid, the jobs (Especially the jobs), the housing, the health care & the education. Not african Americans. And with Hispanics VAST, VAST, VAST numbers in America, Hispanics will totally undercut, outsource & phase out african Americans.

Subsequently, Hispanics will be the 2nd dominant group (After the non-Hispanic Whites).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#12 May 14, 2010
39ehonor.---- In regards to your previous post to me, post #8.--- You said "Afro-Latinos are not Latinos".---- With all due respect, totally not true. And this is why.--- Afro-Latinos are still "Latinos".

You say "They are black".---- True. Well, they have African ancestry. But they are Afro-Latino. Not african American.

You say "and all of them are descended from black slaves".---- True. But, Afro-Latinos are different & distinct from african Americans. Especially in regards to culture, customs as well as tradition/traditions.

Afro-Latinos have a different & distinct background as well as history than african Americans.

And here's some info. which points out the "racial breakdown" in Spanish speaking nations of the Caribbean basin, Central America & South America. And to highlight the Afro-Latino populations in these respective nations.-----

For the Caribbean basin.---- For the Dominican Republic.----- 16% White, 73% "mixed" ((With the mixed being White (Primarily Spanish, French &/or Italian) mixed with African & some Taino &/or some Arawak)), & 11% Black.

For Cuba.----- Stats. for 2002.---- 65.05% White, 10.08% Black, 24.86% Mulatto & 1.0% Asian.

For Puerto Rico.---- Stats. for 2007.---- 76.2% White (With most of the Whites being of Spanish origin), 6.9% Black, 0.3% Asian, 0.2% Amerindian, 4.4% "mixed" & 12% "other".

For Central America ---- For Panama.--- Stats. for 2000.--- 58.1% Mestizo, 14% Black & Mulatto, 6.7% Amerindian, 8.6% White, 5.5% Asian & 7.1% "other".

For South America.---- For Colombia.--- 58% Mestizo, 20% White, 14% Mulatto (And the primary mulatto mix is European & African), 4% Afro-Colombian, 3% Zambo (And zambos are African & Amerindian mix) & 1% Amerindian.

And this is why I point this stuff out.---- In all of these Spanish speaking nations which I mentioned, there is a sizeable portion of its citizens who have African ancestry. Subsequently, they are Afro-Latinos. And when they come to America, they are Afro-Latinos. And via the U.S. gov't classifications / categorizations according to "race", they fall within the "Hispanic" category / classification.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#13 May 14, 2010
Marco827 wrote:
<quoted text>
ugh yeah many of us are African desendants except the few who are spanish but we are still Latinos get ya facts straight
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Marco, now, granted, your post here wasn't directed to me. But, what you said here is 150% right on the mark. Very accurate & good post.^5.
blackchingy

Baltimore, MD

#14 May 25, 2010
Johnny wrote:
39ehonor.---- In regards to your previous post to me, post #8.--- You said "Afro-Latinos are not Latinos".---- With all due respect, totally not true. And this is why.--- Afro-Latinos are still "Latinos".
You say "They are black".---- True. Well, they have African ancestry. But they are Afro-Latino. Not african American.
You say "and all of them are descended from black slaves".---- True. But, Afro-Latinos are different & distinct from african Americans. Especially in regards to culture, customs as well as tradition/traditions.
Afro-Latinos have a different & distinct background as well as history than african Americans.
And here's some info. which points out the "racial breakdown" in Spanish speaking nations of the Caribbean basin, Central America & South America. And to highlight the Afro-Latino populations in these respective nations.-----
For the Caribbean basin.---- For the Dominican Republic.----- 16% White, 73% "mixed" ((With the mixed being White (Primarily Spanish, French &/or Italian) mixed with African & some Taino &/or some Arawak)), & 11% Black.
For Cuba.----- Stats. for 2002.---- 65.05% White, 10.08% Black, 24.86% Mulatto & 1.0% Asian.
For Puerto Rico.---- Stats. for 2007.---- 76.2% White (With most of the Whites being of Spanish origin), 6.9% Black, 0.3% Asian, 0.2% Amerindian, 4.4% "mixed" & 12% "other".
For Central America ---- For Panama.--- Stats. for 2000.--- 58.1% Mestizo, 14% Black & Mulatto, 6.7% Amerindian, 8.6% White, 5.5% Asian & 7.1% "other".
For South America.---- For Colombia.--- 58% Mestizo, 20% White, 14% Mulatto (And the primary mulatto mix is European & African), 4% Afro-Colombian, 3% Zambo (And zambos are African & Amerindian mix) & 1% Amerindian.
And this is why I point this stuff out.---- In all of these Spanish speaking nations which I mentioned, there is a sizeable portion of its citizens who have African ancestry. Subsequently, they are Afro-Latinos. And when they come to America, they are Afro-Latinos. And via the U.S. gov't classifications / categorizations according to "race", they fall within the "Hispanic" category / classification.
Wrong! Latino is not a race its technically considered an ethnic group in the U.S. A latino can be of any race . If afro latinos are considered true latinos how come you guys are the only ones who arent just called latino like all others from latin america.Latino/hispanic is a made up group that throws all people who speak spanish into one catergory. Except for language what does a dominican have in common with a mexican,what does a guatemalin have in common with a cuban nothing except for language. You also stated that dominicans are going to be the dominant group on the east coast and faze out african americans,you must be smoking some strong hash because you are halucinating. If anything its dominicans who will be absorbed into the larger african american population. Look your entertainers here in the U.S. most hangout with and dress like AA. Most listen to hiphop and R&b. Most even play AA's on television. If anyone is going to get phased out or absorbed its going to be you dominicans. Let me also remind you that there are more African immigrants and english speaking black carribeans in this country than dominicans. When they have children those children over 2 to 3 generations get absorbed into the larger African American population. Our culture is to strong and our population is to large to be phased out.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#15 May 26, 2010
blackchingy.---- You said "Latino is not a race its technically considered an ethnic group in the U.S. A latino can be of any race".--- Uhh, yeah. And when did I ever say anything otherwise in any of my previous posts on this thread?--- I never did.

You say "If afro latinos are considered true latinos how come you guys are the only ones who aren't just called latino like all others from latin america".--- Really? And how is this the case / deal? And when did this stuff start happening?

And the poster named Marco pointed out in his previous post, post #9 & I pointed out in my previous post, post #12, the "racial breakdown" & the racial classification / categorization of this stuff, etc..

You say "Latino / Hispanic is a made up group that throws all people who speak spanish into one category".---- You are absolutely correct about this. And which entity did this?---- Answer.--- The U.S. gov't back in around the early 1970s. And what the U.S. says as well as does IS WHAT has mattered & what currently matters.

You say "Except for language what does a dominican have in common with a mexican, what does a guatemalan have in common with a cuban nothing except for language".--- I totally see your point(s) here. But regardless, anyone & everyone who comes to America from a Spanish speaking nation has been classified & is currently classified as being "Hispanic". And this classification / categorization was put into effect by the U.S. gov't back in around the early 1970s.

And THIS is what counts & what matters. And this is what counts & what matters with the U.S.'s governmental policy/policies.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#16 May 26, 2010
blackchingy.---- "A continuation" of my response back to your previous post to me, post #14.---- You said "You also stated that dominicans are going to be the dominant group on the east coast / and faze out african Americans, you must be smoking some strong has because you are hallucinating".---- Uhh, nope, no smoking here.

And in my previous post, I didn't word it the way which YOU said it. I said that the Dominicans will be the numerically dominant "Hispanic" group on the East Coast a decade from now & beyond. Especially 15-20 years from now.

And in regards to the Hispanics on the East Coast.---- It ISN'T "just" Dominicans. And this is in regards to the numerically most numerous Hispanic groups on the East Coast.--- It is also the Puerto Ricans, Colombians, Cubans, Ecuadorians. As well as "other" Hispanic groups such as the Panamanians, Mexicans & the Salvadorans.

You say "Look your entertainers here in the U.S. most hangout with and dress like AA. Most listen to hiphop and R & b".--- I totally see your points here. But, this stuff is TOTALLY irrelevant & immaterial to Americas "racial dynamics" & "racial politics" as it pertains to Americas federal, state & local gov'ts. And especially as it pertains to Americas federal gov't.

You say "Most even play AA's on television".---- Oh yeah. And just a few of the top Dominican names were / are --- Merlin Santana (Now deceased --- RIP), Zoe Saldana, Miguel Nunez, Michelle Rodriguez, Judy Reyes & Victor Rasuk.

But, ALL of this stuff is totally irrelant & immaterial to Americas racial dynamics & racial politics as it pertains to Americas federal, state & local gov'ts. And especially as it pertains to Americas federal gov't.

I'll elaborate about this stuff in another post.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#17 May 27, 2010
blackchingy.---- "A continuation" of my response back to your previous post to me, post #14.---- You said "Let me also remind you that there are more African immigrants and english speaking black caribeans in this country than dominicans".----

Well, African immigrants COMBINED with English speaking Caribbean blacks do outnumber the legal Dominicans. But NOT the legal Dominicans combined with the illegal Dominicans. And this I KNOW for a fact because there are MANY, MANY illegal Dominicans in Manhattan, NY, Bronx, NY, Brooklyn NY, Sleepy Hollow, NY, Haverstraw, NY, Paterson, New Jersey, Jersey City, NJ, Passaic, NJ, Union City, NJ, Perth Amboy, NJ, Miami, Florida, Providence, Rhode Island, Lawrence, Massachusetts, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Houston, Texas, Washington, D.C., Kansas City, Missouri, Fort Devens, Massachusetts & throughout Connecticutt.

And as for the African immigrants, they are located in these areas.---- Washington D.C., MD-VA-WV, New York, NY, Atlanta, G.A., Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI, Greater Los Angeles Area, Detroit, MI, Houston Texas, Chicago, Illinois, Dallas, Texas, Boston, MA-NH.

So, African immigrants are "spread out" WAY more so. African immigrants are not congregated on the East Coast. And not by a long shot.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#18 May 27, 2010
blackchingy.---- Your points here.---- You said "When they have children thost children over 2 to 3 generations get absorbed into the larger African American population".---- I do see your point here. But this can / could cut both ways. And this is what I mean by this.---- Now, clearly, black African immigrants are "black". But, black African immigrants are not descendants of black American slaves in America. So, black Africans have road & currently ride the coattails of the african American "civil rights movement".



So, despite black African immigrants being "black", their history as well as "American experience" is still different / distinct from african Americans history & "American experience" in America.

And black African immigrants do tend to retain their culture once in the United States. And instead of abandoning their various traditions, black African immigrants find ways to reproduce as well as to reinvent themselves. And there are many African immigrants who have sought to maintain their cultural connections through various organizations. Probably the 2 most renown would be the Nigerian led Egbe Omo Yoruba & the African National Union.

And these organizations have suggested this.----"Rathern than become African Americans, immigrants of African descent manufactured new nationalities distinctive from that of native Black Americans".

And conflicts between recent Black immigrants from africa & african Americans are not uncommon at all when these 2 groups come into contact. And this stuff has been pointed out by a leading scholar of african American life. And this scholar pointed out that the largest division within "black society" was between "Native & foreign born". And this was pointed out in an esssay titled "Black Like Who".

And many black Africans fear that their assimilation into American society will result solely in assimilation into the african American culture. And this becomes problematic because of the perception that african Americans are of a lower socio-economic status.

In addition, as these black African immigrants seek to carve their own niche they are often perceived as being "arrogant" by their african American counterparts. And this creates tension between the 2 groups.

Furthermore, many african Americans fear that African immigrants in general irrespective of race will take away jobs as well as educational opportunities. Subsequently, impacting african Americans chances at upward mobility.

And several studies have shown that Affirmative Action programs which were initially created to provide more opportunity/opportunities to the descendants of black African slaves in America have ACTUALLY proven MORE beneficial to African immigrants & their children. And by far.

And here's another factor.---- Most african Americans know VERY little about Africa.

So, despite both of these groups being "black", their histories as well as "American experience(s)" are different from each other.

Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#19 May 27, 2010
blackchingy.---- Your points here.---- You said "Our culture is too strong".---- Well, in regards to basketball, some positions in football as well as actors, actresses & comedians, etc., you are right on the mark about this.

But, this stuff is TOTALLY irrelevant & immaterial to Americas "racial dynamics" & "racial politics". And Americas racial dynamics & racial politics as it pertains to the U.S.s federal, state & local gov'ts. Especially the federal gov't.

You say "and our population is to large to be phased out".---- Oh, you are totally incorrect about this. Now, it won't happen for awhile. But years down the road, it will.



And THIS is what is MOST critical.--- The U.S. gov't, the aid, the jobs, the housing, the health care & the education. And especially the jobs. And this is the deal.---- Since Hispanics will have such VAST, VAST, VAST numbers in America, Hispanics will have the "honorary minority status" & the "preferential minority status" with the U.S. federal, state & local gov'ts. Subsequently, Hispanics will be the ones getting the aid, the jobs, the housing, the health care & the education. Not african Americans.

For instance.---- Just look at the population numbers ALREADY.---- Hispanics already have VAST numbers in America.

Back in July, 2001, Hispanics overtook african Americans as being Americas numerically dominant "minority". And this JUST takes into account JUST the legal Hispanics. This doesn't even take into account the illegal Hispanics. And from July, 2001 till now, Americas Hispanic population (The legal Hispanics as well as the illegal Hispanics) has increased by A LOT more.

And as of this week, some sources have put the number of illegal Hispanics at 20-25 million. And a decade from now & beyond (Especially 15-20 years from now), Americas Hispanic population (The legal Hispanics as well as the illegal Hispanics) will be increasing by WAY, WAY, WAY more due to Hispanic immigration & Hispanic birthrates. Especially because of Hispanic immigration.

So, it is inevitable that in years to come, that Hispanics will have the honorary minority status & the preferential minority status with the U.S. federal, state & local gov'ts.

Subsequently, Hispanics will be the ones getting the aid, the jobs, the housing, the health care & the education.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#20 May 27, 2010
blackchingy.---- The "racial dynamics" & "racial politics" out in California / Southwest. And this is what I'm referring to.---- Hispanics have their OWN agenda. And african Americans are being "thrown under the bus" in southern California. And this is why.--- Because Hispanics (And especially the Mexicans) DON'T "need" african Americans politically in California anymore. And Hispanics don't need african Americans in California anymore is because Hispanics have reached CRITICAL MASS numbers out in California. Hispanics (Especially the Mexicans) have VAST, VAST numbers out in California.

For decades, african Americans & Hispanics have worked together at all levels, from politics to street organizations. For instance, the Nortenos are "mixed" & the Latin Kings are mixed. In addition, the Surenos were mixed BEFORE the flood of MASS numbers of illegals into Southern California.

This is what happened.--- Once the Hispanics "took over" politically in Southern California, the illegals brought more employment pressure AS WELL AS Latin American racism into african American areas.

And immigrants DON'T have a shared history of "civil rights struggle" with african Americans. And Hispanic immigrants from Mexico, from the nations of Central America (From El Salvador, from Nicaragua, from Honduras & from Guatemala) & from the nations of South America (From Colombia, from Ecuador & from Peru) bring a ton of racist attitudes from their native countries.

And Hispanics have their OWN culture as well as "interests" which is THEIR #1 priority. And part of that culture includes a racial pecking order which sees "blacks" at the BOTTOM. And in California / Southwest, Hispanics DON'T "need" african Americans politically anymore. So, african Americans will be marginalized as well as exploited. And WAY more so in years to come due to Americas VASTLY growing Hispanic population.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#21 May 27, 2010
blackchingy.---- Some last points.---- I'm going to show you a link which shows some of the basic "racial dynamics" & "racial politics" involved regarding ---- "Hispanic --- african American relations".

This link here provides a somewhat basic yet vague overview of the racial dynamics of Hispanic --- african American relations.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... ..

There's A LOT more involved. But, that link provides a somewhat basic yet vague breakdown of what is happening.

The racial politics & the racial dynamics of what has been happening & what is currently happening out in California / Southwest is JUST the begining. What has been happening & what is currently happening out in California WILL be spreading out throughout America in years to come.

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