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In class, I am doing a research paper on the language of Ebonics and its relations with the Acheivement Gap. The language of Ebonics or known as African American Vernacular English (AAVE) is defined as a variety of English spoken by African Americans. Peter L. Patrick of the University of Essex, pointed that Ebonics language is a coherent system of signs - a grammar of elements and rules - which is used in a regular way for purposes of communication, and also for social symbolic purposes (such as making clear to listeners a speaker's identity, how they feel about themselves and others, and how they perceive a situation).

So what are your veiws of this language? The language for decades has been described as "Bad English" and also that is lazy and more importantly unintelligent. What does this mean for African Americans in the Acheivement Gap? The Gap itself refers to a trend in the past two decades where graduation rates of White students are significantly higher than the rates of Black or Latino students. Is discrimination today more based on race differences or language differences and what should teachers do to close this widened gap? Does this language have a cultural or emotional significance.

Also some teachers in schools are deciding to respect the Ebonics speaking students native tongues instead of telling them there "incorrect ". They are enculturating these students by using Black and other native literatures to the classroom. Though this doesn't excuse the fact that soceity doesn't appreciate the language, what are your views about it? Lastly if people knew more about the rules and history of Ebonics, do you think it would help in the classroom and even close racial barriers?

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if i make up words because of my lack of vinacular should it be a language? Your paper should be less than a page

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Well there is actual lexicon, grammatical structure, and rules to the language. There is Also a history and cultural meaning about the language besides that its just slang, bad grammar and lazy English. Thanx for your comment.
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Put marbles in your mouth and try to talk..

Ebonics is illiterate jive talk for racist dumb & lazy folks.. and it demonstrates their ignorance and their very limited life choices every time they open their mouths.. BO didn't get where he is talking ebonics.. did he??
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i heard some ebonics today i think. I however first thought it was a special person untill i saw the golds in his teeth
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You said "Ebonics language is a coherent system of signs - a grammar of elements and rules - which is used in a regular way for purposes of communication, and also for social symbolic purposes (such as making clear to listeners a speaker's identity, how they feel about themselves and others, and how they perceive a situation"

I would say that's all true.

Technically I would say its a language. But from what I can tell the problem that people have with it is that the people who use it are usually assholes and idiots. So weather its hick talk or Ebonics, it would be like condoning a society of idiots.
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gotnatas wrote:
You said "Ebonics language is a coherent system of signs - a grammar of elements and rules - which is used in a regular way for purposes of communication, and also for social symbolic purposes (such as making clear to listeners a speaker's identity, how they feel about themselves and others, and how they perceive a situation"
I would say that's all true.
Technically I would say its a language. But from what I can tell the problem that people have with it is that the people who use it are usually assholes and idiots. So weather its hick talk or Ebonics, it would be like condoning a society of idiots.
Ebonics makes people sound ignorant. I guess it is a language of sorts..but not one of intelligence.

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Ebonics is certainly not a language but, at best, a non-standard dialect that tends to butcher the English language. It's pretty clear really.
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breffus lol
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wez be eatin chickin an waffuls fu breffus.Layter we be drikin sum 40s and roolin sum blunts

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No. IMO, "ebonics" is simply slang- and lazy slang, at that.
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Things have gotten out of hand here in Rochester, NY.

When you call the local utility supplier, you are presented with the option: To proceed in Ebonics, press 1.

If that's not bad enough, all the teenagers working the Burger King drive-thru speak Ebonics and I can't understand a word dey be sayin, yo.

In Ebonics, how do I say, "I'd like a Whopper, a large order of fries, and a vanilla shake, please?"

Can someone help me out here?
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tanita wrote:
In class, I am doing a research paper on the language of Ebonics and its relations with the Acheivement Gap. The language of Ebonics or known as African American Vernacular English (AAVE) is defined as a variety of English spoken by African Americans. Peter L. Patrick of the University of Essex, pointed that Ebonics language is a coherent system of signs - a grammar of elements and rules - which is used in a regular way for purposes of communication, and also for social symbolic purposes (such as making clear to listeners a speaker's identity, how they feel about themselves and others, and how they perceive a situation).
So what are your veiws of this language? The language for decades has been described as "Bad English" and also that is lazy and more importantly unintelligent. What does this mean for African Americans in the Acheivement Gap? The Gap itself refers to a trend in the past two decades where graduation rates of White students are significantly higher than the rates of Black or Latino students. Is discrimination today more based on race differences or language differences and what should teachers do to close this widened gap? Does this language have a cultural or emotional significance.
Also some teachers in schools are deciding to respect the Ebonics speaking students native tongues instead of telling them there "incorrect ". They are enculturating these students by using Black and other native literatures to the classroom. Though this doesn't excuse the fact that soceity doesn't appreciate the language, what are your views about it? Lastly if people knew more about the rules and history of Ebonics, do you think it would help in the classroom and even close racial barriers?
I would really like your awnsers!!!! Thanks
I am white, I work with a great many blacks. Some use Ebonics some don't, I have also noticed a different dialect from let's say, Chicago blacks, to New York blacks, to blacks that grew up in the south. I have also noticed that some blacks only use it when talking to other blacks that use it. Not to blacks or white's that do not use it.
Since working with so many different people of all races for so long, I can understand almost all dialects, and slang. Of course being in the Military also helped me learn, and speak Ebonics, however some blacks believe that white's should never use Ebonics, as they see it as mocking them. I get it !
Having said all that, let me say this, having a common language that all people can understand, is key to communication with one another. If we break down our language which is English, like it or not. It hurts us all, and divides us. We have to many problems that need to be worked out, a common language is necessary ! Just My Opinion.
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it's stupid low class language which needs to be done away with. period. has no value to black people at all who have any sense of intelligence.
if people feel like they're being attacked for being "sincerely ignorant" then they deserve to feel that way. my parents raised me to show my intelligence, not stupidity and to have a little too much pride in myself, and african americans, so that i don't have to resort to presenting myself in a very undesirable way. might be fine for a comedy club but not for real life.
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How Could This Happen???

A three-family home burned down in New York.
The black family on the first floor all perished.
The black family on the third floor all perished.
No one was injured from the white family on the second floor.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were enraged, calling a press
conference and demanding from the Manhattan Fire Chief an explanation of how this could possibly happen, to which the Chief replied ........ "They were all at work."
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To be honest, there is no conceivable way to expose ebonics as an actual language. From all that I have seen and from many that met who use said dialect, I can say with all of the confidence of all intelligent, carbon-based lifeforms that ebonics is nothing more than a template of slang and horribly wrong grammar. Those who are proud to use such vernacular probably have the same amount of common sense as a useless, pathetic, barely expendable monkey. And this is coming from a YOUNG African-American.

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Ebonics is a term invented by the Oakland, Ca. school board in an attempt to qualify black teachers as being bilingual.

When this Ebonics thing started, starting pay for a teacher in Ca. was $24,000/year. Bilingual teachers got an extra $5000/yr. Angry at seeing teachers who were bilingual - mostly English/Spanish - getting more than black teachers, the Oakland school board insisted that was used to be known as "jive" was, in fact, an actual second language.

It didn't work, of course, and cries of "racism!" naturally followed the decision that Ebonics was not a genuine language. One black teacher from Oakland finally gave an honest summation to the whole idea behind Ebonics:

"These Messicans is makin' alla this money, why shouldn't we?"

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