Gang Stalking Debate Forum!

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#9041 Oct 26, 2013
World leaders are now demanding an oversight and review of the U.S. government's spying and lying industry. Still....non too happy.

***It's also been suggested that cameras (Skype access, gaming, etc.) on computers and laptops are spying on us, too.

What a creepy world....

Or, should I say: "Welcome to ours."

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#9042 Oct 26, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
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I'll just say it again ....STFU.
Anyone here that agrees with you is either new or you.

The reason you get disrespected is your lack of courtesy. This is a debate forum; not a red neck cuss and blame forum. CAPICHE?
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#9043 Oct 26, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
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The reason you get disrespected is your lack of courtesy. This is a debate forum; not a red neck cuss and blame forum. CAPICHE?

Do you really think I give a rats azz about your opinion?

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#9044 Oct 26, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
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Do you really think I give a rats azz about your opinion?
You have proven my point! I rest my case.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#9045 Oct 26, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
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You have proven my point! I rest my case.
The only point you've proven,is actual the existence of the point on the top of your head.
Besides,everyone here knows you'll get nothing from me that you dont deserve. DickHead.....
Mru486

Oakland, CA

#9047 Oct 27, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
World leaders are now demanding an oversight and review of the U.S. government's spying and lying industry. Still....non too happy.
***It's also been suggested that cameras (Skype access, gaming, etc.) on computers and laptops are spying on us, too.
What a creepy world....
Or, should I say: "Welcome to ours."
I think someone in a coffee house put a remote control software on my phone that would set off the camera.

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#9048 Oct 27, 2013
Who Loves You BABE

United States

#9049 Oct 27, 2013
The life cycle of a gangstalker: 
1.) The recruitment stage
2.) The brainwashing stage
3.) The parasitic stage
4.) The zombie stage
5.) Physical death
6.) Reincarnation to become pigs, cattle, or chicken 
7.) Slaughter house factory stage
8.) PORK CHOPS - DRUMSTICKS - HAMBURGER PATTIES
9.) 6, 7, and 8 repeats itself on an endless loop cycle forever and ever.

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#9050 Oct 28, 2013
Facebook, Facial Recognition and the Surveillance State

Facebook has the largest biometric database in the world — "and it's all been formed by people voluntarily submitting pictures to Facebook and identifying who they belong to," she says.

Theoretically, every time you label faces by tagging a picture, you're chipping away at those two big challenges for universal facial recognition.

First, you're helping to build a super-database of labeled faces. Second, you're uploading multiple versions of each person's face, which can improve a system's accuracy.

Facebook has the largest biometric database in the world — "and it's all been formed by people voluntarily submitting pictures to Facebook and identifying who they belong to," she says.

Theoretically, every time you label faces by tagging a picture, you're chipping away at those two big challenges for universal facial recognition. First, you're helping to build a super-database of labeled faces. Second, you're uploading multiple versions of each person's face, which can improve a system's accuracy.

Facebook would not answer NPR's questions about what it does with facial recognition information.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/20...

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#9051 Oct 28, 2013
Conspiracy theorists
AKA 'conspiraloons','tinfoil hatters','loonspuds','fruit'n' nut jobs' etc.

http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.htm...

Updated 29th April 2009.

Note from editor: because of the high profile nature of the external linkurban75 bulletin boards, we often suffer obsessive conspiracy theorists or (guffaw)'truth seekers' filling up the boards with fact-free claims, evidence-untroubled epilogues and vast reams of tedious cut'n'paste, invariably regurgitated from some dubious internet site.

We hope this information will be of use if you encounter a conspiraloon while on the boards.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited.(Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

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#9052 Oct 28, 2013
6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.

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#9054 Oct 28, 2013
10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists (con't)
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#9055 Oct 28, 2013
Didnt you already say this.....?
What a bore.
Anyone here who is a TI doesnt care what you have to say.
It's like telling them the sky isn't blue.
We know the truth so why would we care what you say?
It's not like you'll convince us otherwise.
keh

East Hartford, CT

#9056 Oct 28, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
Didnt you already say this.....?
What a bore.
Anyone here who is a TI doesnt care what you have to say.
It's like telling them the sky isn't blue.
We know the truth so why would we care what you say?
It's not like you'll convince us otherwise.
You just don't get it!
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#9057 Oct 28, 2013
keh wrote:
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You just don't get it!
Oh I get it all right.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#9059 Oct 29, 2013
Spying on millions of phone calls in Spain over one month. The NSA collected bulk data on 60 million phone calls placed in Spain in December 2012.

This follows reports that the US may have bugged German Chancellor Merkel's phone for more than a decade, along with communication devices in some 80 locations around the world.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the Senate Intelligence Committee chairwoman, on Monday called for a "total review" of intelligence programs.

(A question to victims of corrupt civil servant misconduct behind which all "localized" organized scheming domestic spying and terrorizing of residents in this country is taking place:..... Have you been documenting both a baseline and timeline of these real felony crimes/violations targeting your family,[to Fed agencies, obstructing or not], as I have been suggesting all this time [or have you been wasting your time getting caught up in all the woo-woo bull crap that's been instigated by this very same corruption covering up their crimes])??

read more on recent spying:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/27...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/26...

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#9061 Nov 1, 2013
WHO BUYS THE SPYS?
___The Hidden Corporate Cash Behind The Government's Out-Of-Control Surveillance State

Many of the firms and industries at the heart of this Orwellian creation have strong ties to the Democrats. Bush and Cheney may have invented it, but national Democratic leaders are full-fledged players in this 21st century national surveillance state and the interest group pressures that now help to sustain its defenders in Washington work just as powerfully on Democrats as on Republicans.

Six industries where the president ran especially strongly attracted our attention: telecoms, software, web manufacturing, electronics and computers, plus the defense industry. His support in these industries ran far above his average levels of support either for business as a whole or the rest of big business. In fact, it equaled or exceeded the backing these firms afforded Romney.

http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/23/who-buys-the...

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#9062 Nov 1, 2013
Conspiracy Theorists

January 16, 2013

http://davidkflowers.com/2013/01/conspiracy-t...

And now a word from a mental health expert (me!) about conspiracy theorists.

If you’ve ever met a paranoid schizophrenic, what stands out most about them is how sickly rational they are. They can tell you exactly why they believe someone is poisoning their food, listening to their phone calls, following them around, trying to have them sterilized, recruiting them into the CIA, or whatever they believe. They can give you times and dates, lists of names, locations, every detail you could ever imagine. They can and do provide contradictory evidence to everything you suggest that might refute their beliefs.

The problem with their story is not lack of detail and information. It is that their thought processes are in the service of their delusions. They interpret everything as evidence that they are uncovering something dark and sinister. If you disagree or give counter-evidence, they will merely assume you are part of the conspiracy, or that you are the one deluded, and summarily dismiss you. They are indefatigable in their assertions and beliefs. It just so happens that what they believe is happening, what they can actually prove is happening, is in fact not happening.

People with schizophrenia often have what we call delusions of “reference.” Delusions or ideas of reference are when one assumes ordinary events in the world are related directly to one’s self and one’s destiny. Such as, for example,“Sandy Hook was a government conspiracy with the ultimate aim of taking away my guns.” I am certainly not claiming that conspiracy theorists are paranoid schizophrenics. I am saying that there is less difference between them and schizophrenics than most Americans, or they themselves, realize. Many conspiracy theorists are pretty bright people. Then again, many paranoid schizophrenics are bright people as well. Both conspiracy theorists and schizophrenics are people whose thought processes are in the service of their delusions.

“They want to take away my guns.”
“They want to take away my rights and freedoms.”
“They want to make my religion illegal.”
“They want to make me a slave.”
“They want to raise my taxes and take all my money.”

Though they exist, you will find very few highly educated conspiracy theorists, especially highly educated conspiracy theorists who have spent substantial time in leadership. In my next post, I will explain why that is. And no, it is not because education and leadership are part of the conspiracy.

-more-

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#9063 Nov 1, 2013
Conspiracy Theorists

January 16, 2013

(continued)

http://davidkflowers.com/2013/01/conspiracy-t...

Conspiracy theorists of all kinds, we hear your “evidence,” and the comparisons to Hitler and the Third Reich. We see the memes you post on Facebook, the seemingly irrefutable “logic” you weave together, Glenn Beck’s charts. We see one of your spokespeople, Wayne LaPierre, spouting his zany ideas. But it just so happens that what you believe is happening, what you think you can actually prove is happening, is in fact not happening.

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#9064 Nov 1, 2013
"Though they exist, you will find very few highly educated conspiracy theorists, especially highly educated conspiracy theorists who have spent substantial time in leadership."
___sayeth the disinformation sock-puppet

LOL.

My god. You must have received a raise.

First it's our collective "mental health", now, our intelligence.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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