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RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8975 Oct 12, 2013
LunaticFringe wrote:
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...perhaps. I'm pretty sure it aint deeper. I really don't want to hide from the truth. There is no way I can believe its a huge conspiracy of some sort. I'm not that important. People aren't that evil and carprious even if they seem that way at first. It doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do, or accept the abuse or methods. I have no idea how corrupted my mind is now.
I've been a target almost as long as you've been alive.
Trust me when I tell you she is unlikely to be the direct cause of your stalking. Dont know how long you've known her,but the people who do this shit follow you around and bug your home,tap your phones and track your vehicles...And they do this for years before you're let in on it.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8976 Oct 12, 2013
I don't want yellow or blue.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8977 Oct 12, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
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I've been a target almost as long as you've been alive.
Trust me when I tell you she is unlikely to be the direct cause of your stalking. Dont know how long you've known her,but the people who do this shit follow you around and bug your home,tap your phones and track your vehicles...And they do this for years before you're let in on it.
I'll consider the possibility of a greater conspiracy. I do still believe there are "elite" people who have access to these groups and their underground technology. All levels of government, even the justice system, and likely being infiltrated. Maybe she didn't have those connections. Somebody sure sent these people after me. I guess you have to make sure you don't get on the bad side of the wrong person. I'm pretty sure I pissed someone off.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8978 Oct 12, 2013
It's a neurological blockade. You feel something, they punch you in the face. Only it's not physically, it's emotionally. So everytime you feel that romantic circuit turn on, they stamp you out. I don't find it surprising that individuals with an eros love style tend to happy childhoods ( at least according to one source ).
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8979 Oct 12, 2013
from another forum...
Eleanor White wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe, personal theory, that perps are demonically possessed. Because their behaviour is such a perfect match for the behaviour attributed to demons over the centuries.
However, as I see it, the most important thing is for targets to get in the habit of using terms most likely to be taken seriously by NON-targets. This is so public education can take place.
In years of street face-to-face testing, I have found perpetrators (I say it the long way the first time) and perps work very well, and I recommend those terms to others.
Since - as you seem to suggest - references to "demons" will make non-TIs skeptical, do you think that the people who bring up that stuff in these forums are sock-puppets doing counterintelligence work as government contractors to spread disinformation?
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8980 Oct 13, 2013
FightGangStalking wrote:
from another forum...
<quoted text>
Since - as you seem to suggest - references to "demons" will make non-TIs skeptical, do you think that the people who bring up that stuff in these forums are sock-puppets doing counterintelligence work as government contractors to spread disinformation?
????...What usefulness are "demon" references to any "one" victim of this (crime), who's kinda figured out that "group assaults" are targeting their family;... and then, how is "sock puppet" analogy expected to be interpreted down to this victim's localized level of targeted assaulting, from which they can now fully act?

Ref A).(Using previously quoted words of someone stating they're a multi-decade victim):

1. "important thing is for targets to get in the habit of using terms most likely to be taken seriously by NON-targets."

2. "perps are demonically possessed."

3. "their behaviour is such a perfect match for the behaviour attributed to demons over the centuries."

Haven't most progressed beyond this simplistic biblical anology? And, therefore, what purpose does it serve for these victims looking for solutions to real ongoing crimes, violations, abuses, and excess misconduct (exorcism is not a solution)??

Ref. B). So, how have you personally been able to break down "sock puppets" to it's most practical, lowest common denominator (behind which these victims, can now find it useful, towards fully addressing real localized crimes, violations, abuses and excessive misconduct targeting their families)!

Because, isn't this one main objective ?
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8981 Oct 13, 2013
FightGangStalking wrote:
from another forum...
<quoted text>
Since - as you seem to suggest - references to "demons" will make non-TIs skeptical, do you think that the people who bring up that stuff in these forums are sock-puppets doing counterintelligence work as government contractors to spread disinformation?
Not sure if she's right in the head.
She went on and on about not posting things that sound impossible or unrealistic. Then she goes over to the other forum and talks about a third dimension perps travel in and now this?

Yeah,she's either nuts after being stalked for so long,or she's been turned.
You have to be suspicious of anyone who acts in a manner that seems off. Or says things that are obviously false and then tries to back them up with insane rantings.
Thats perp 101 right there. Make em all look crazy.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8982 Oct 13, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats perp 101 right there. Make em all look crazy.
Agree.

We're just simply ALL "delusional".....all Tens-of-Thousands, and possibly, Hundreds-of-Thousands, of us.

It's an epidemic.
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8983 Oct 13, 2013
ptw wrote:
<quoted text>
????...What usefulness are "demon" references to any "one" victim of this (crime), who's kinda figured out that "group assaults" are targeting their family;... and then, how is "sock puppet" analogy expected to be interpreted down to this victim's localized level of targeted assaulting,.........So, how have you personally been able to break down "sock puppets" to it's most practical, lowest common denominator (behind which these victims, can now find it useful, towards fully addressing real localized crimes, violations, abuses and excessive misconduct targeting their families)!
Because, isn't this one main objective ?
Just to clarify my point in raising the question about the "demons" references...

I think it's perfectly obvious that all the numerous gang stalking websites and forum comments which include mentions of "demons" (or UFOs or Bigfoot or whatever) are deliberate disinformation being posted by intelligence contractors who are participating in a federal government counterintelligence program. The goal is to make the whole community of targeted individuals appear crazy.

By raising the question I was trying to get Eleanor White to clarify where she stands on that issue, because it's helpful to know which side people are on.

I agree with you that individuals targeted for gang stalking need practical solutions to the very real harassment they face, but my view is the only solution is to expose the exact nature of gang stalking - namely, that it is a federal gov't counterintelligence program just like the original FBI Cointelpro was - with elements of the values and practices and goals also of the CIA's Program MK Ultra and Communist East Germany's Stasi.

In other words the "localized crimes" you refer to are actually part of a NATIONAL crime by the federal gov't and the only way to stop it is by exposing it to the public.

FightGangStalking.com
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8984 Oct 13, 2013
I don't like who I've become. I have a short fuse now it seems. Shouted at my mom instead of bottling it up ( not good I guess ), or at least staying calm and holding myself back. I'm sure my frontal lobe activity is probably pretty low now.. no more rumination.. that kind of sucks. I wonder what effect that has on cognition or even affective experience. I read somewhere that the orbitofrontal cortex is involved with the appreciation of art. It also ties in to the reward regions of the brain.

lies lies lies.. these people never listen to me. they repeatedly clean my appartment and micromanage me..there is no reciprocation.. I never get a chance.. nothing is good enough for them. I clean the place us, and they still come in and do everything.. all the while giving me directives about this or that. never a conversation.

Acetylcholine drops.. intense stress..and that's what happens..anger infused as I said before....the breaks are gone and the shocks are crap. long term rage is now short term rage.

It all kind of makes me think of that guy charlie sheen and his "Anger management" show. yeah, he probably got hit with this stuff too.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#8985 Oct 13, 2013
A demon is someone who works contrary to God, as if you are not for God, you can only be of the Devil.“Christians” have been my downfall. People who pretend to be doing God’s work who can only gossip about you, spread lies about you, discuss your emails, phone calls, job prospects, sabotage you and who want to leave you resourceless and on your knees destroyed.

I don’t believe in Bigfoot or Aliens but like a lot of people I would be interested in the latter. I have two degrees both with Honors from popular and accredited universities on scholarship and would have gotten my Masters if not for the misinformation out there about me and being blacklisted.

If anyone here is a Christian, they will understand what I am talking about and why demons are applicable to these ‘people’ for example, like a ‘prophet’ who only speaks lies and then tries to initiate a sexual relationship WHO IS ALSO A PASTOR. That’s sick.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#8986 Oct 13, 2013
Family is the template for the community and the nation as a whole.

My own mother told me that from the OS that I should be humiliated, and why don't I lock myself up in the house and go nowhere?

And that I should have an inferiority complex now based on all the slandering and gossip about me.

But in my weaknesses God is made strong and by extension myself.

It is disheartening that in this community I would be a suspect and not a comrade since I know another t.i. and am one of the realest ones out there. Neverending said that she won't go home because her sister and family participate in her OS. I am 'home' and feel every single wrath. My mother (and I am an only child) said I deserve to have zero privacy and that I deserve to have my name being chewed up in people's mouths. The Temptor tries and has succeeded in my case by causing a permanent fracture of the family and I am proof of that.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8987 Oct 13, 2013
I feel like I don't belong in this world. I'm unhealthy, and my beliefs are dangerous. I don't agree with perps. I don't like what they've done, and I'm not even totally sure what they've done. I had some frigtening thoughs and experiences. I felt completely disconnected. I find myself reconsidering some of the messages they've tossed my way. I still don't agree. I feel alientated that's all.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8988 Oct 13, 2013
LunaticFringe wrote:
I don't like who I've become. I have a short fuse now it seems. Shouted at my mom instead of bottling it up ( not good I guess ), or at least staying calm and holding myself back. I'm sure my frontal lobe activity is probably pretty low now.. no more rumination.. that kind of sucks. I wonder what effect that has on cognition or even affective experience. I read somewhere that the orbitofrontal cortex is involved with the appreciation of art. It also ties in to the reward regions of the brain.
lies lies lies.. these people never listen to me. they repeatedly clean my appartment and micromanage me..there is no reciprocation.. I never get a chance.. nothing is good enough for them. I clean the place us, and they still come in and do everything.. all the while giving me directives about this or that. never a conversation.
Acetylcholine drops.. intense stress..and that's what happens..anger infused as I said before....the breaks are gone and the shocks are crap. long term rage is now short term rage.
It all kind of makes me think of that guy charlie sheen and his "Anger management" show. yeah, he probably got hit with this stuff too.
STFU.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8989 Oct 13, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
<quoted text>
STFU.
F*ck you.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8990 Oct 13, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
<quoted text>
STFU.
...oh I forgot... F*ck you asshole. You're not the only TI on here. And you have no idea what I'm going through. 99% of the people on here are civil. You're the 1% that I would consider a douchebag. Why don't you crawl under a rock and die, you f*cking maggot. I'm just glad you aren't the moderator.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8991 Oct 14, 2013
LunaticFringe wrote:
<quoted text>
...oh I forgot... F*ck you asshole. You're not the only TI on here. And you have no idea what I'm going through. 99% of the people on here are civil. You're the 1% that I would consider a douchebag. Why don't you crawl under a rock and die, you f*cking maggot. I'm just glad you aren't the moderator.
LOL......

At least NOW, you're f*cking "growing a pair".
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8992 Oct 14, 2013
from another forum...
Eleanor White wrote:
<quoted text>
I would have no way to know. So if a target were to discuss that with a non-target, I would urge them to say something like:"There are lots of ads being posted for surveillance role players. Such activity SEEMS AS IF it might touch on the experiences reported by organized stalking targets."Eleanor White
I would never claim that it's a proven documented fact that those jobs are related to gang stalking, but I also wouldn't hold my breath waiting for some whistle-blower to emerge with a stack of official documents proving it - which would probably get them a jail sentence for violating their secret clearance oath.

My point is not about how the subject should be discussed. We all agree it is not a proven fact. I'm just curious about the apparent lack of curiosity about the whole matter among some of the people who post comments in this forum. I would think that any TI would be EXTREMELY curious about who is participating in gang stalking and that this would therefore be a question of great interest.

No one has provided any alternative plausible explanation for all those jobs - or for how gang stalking works. In fact, almost no one (in the media or in these forums) has even discussed it.

I assume you would agree that it is a remarkable coincidence that the jobs are for counterintelligence work that must be kept secret - and gang stalking is an activity involving counterintelligence tactics which is kept secret and is somehow not drawing the negative attention of local or federal law enforcement. A lot of coincidences. It sure seems like the "surveillance role player" theory would answer a whole lot of questions about gang stalking.

Do you agree?
Mike

United States

#8993 Oct 14, 2013
It is 100% government owned and operated. It's all about political control.

I've flown on business in the US to many cities and it's the same everywhere. Same caravans, same hand signals, sames colors, etc. A lot of money being spent and a high degree of organization. This is not about life insurance or criminals. It's about COINTELPRO tactics being used to crush legitimate dissent and to create a police state(of course other perceived enemies and practice targets are thrown in too).

Here's my website.

http://homelandstalk.com/

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8994 Oct 15, 2013
EAST GERMAN STASI
___Wikipedia

The Ministry for State Security, commonly known as the STASI, was the official state security service of the German Democratic Republic or GDR, colloquially known as East Germany.

It has been described as ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND REPRESSIVE INTELLIGENCE and SECRET POLICE agencies to ever have existed.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

CITIZEN PERSONNEL

Between 1950 and 1989, the Stasi employed a total of 274,000 people in an effort to root out the CLASS ENEMY.[12][13] In 1989, the Stasi employed 91,015 persons FULL-TIME, including 2,000 fully employed unofficial COLLABORATORS, 13,073 soldiers and 2,232 officers of GDR army,[14] along with 173,081 UNOFFICIAL INFORMANTS inside GDR[15] and 1,553 informants in West Germany.[16]

In terms of the identity of inoffizielle Mitarbeiter (IMs) Stasi informants, by 1995, 174,000 had been identified, which approximated 2.5% of East Germany's population between the ages of 18 and 60.[12] 10,000 IMs were under 18 years of age.[12]

INFILTRATION

Full-time officers were posted to all major industrial plants (the extensiveness of any SURVEILLANCE largely depended on HOW VALUABLE A PRODUCT WAS TO THE ECONOMY)[13] and one tenant in every apartment building was designated as a watchdog REPORTING TO AN AREA REPRESENTATIVE of the Volkspolizei (Vopo).

Spies reported EVERY RELATIVE AND FRIEND who stayed the night at another's apartment.[17] Tiny holes were drilled in apartment and hotel room walls through which Stasi agents FILMED CITIZENS with SPECIAL VIDEO CAMERAS.[17] SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITIES AND HOSPITALS were extensively infiltrated.[17]

The Stasi had formal categorizations of each type of informant, and had official GUIDELINES on how to extract INFORMATION from, and CONTROL, those who they came into contact with.[18] The roles of informants ranged from those already in some way involved in state security (such as the POLICE and the ARMED SERVICES) to those in the dissident movements (such as in the arts and the Protestant Church).[19]

Information gathered about the latter groups was frequently used to DIVIDE AND DISCREDIT members.[20] Informants were MADE TO FEEL IMPORTANT, given material or social incentives, and were imbued with a SENSE OF ADVENTURE, and only around 7.7%, according to official figures, were coerced into cooperating. A significant proportion of those informing were members of the SED; to employ some form of BLACKMAIL, however, was not uncommon.[19]

A large number of Stasi informants were trolley conductors, janitors, doctors, nurses and teachers; Mielke believed the best informants were those whose jobs entailed frequent CONTACT WITH THE PUBLIC.[21]

ZERSETZUNG

Tactics employed under Zersetzung generally involved the DISRUPTION of the victim’s PRIVATE or FAMILY LIFE. This often included PSYCHOLOGICAL ATTACKS such as breaking into homes and messing with the contents – moving furniture, altering the timing of an alarm, removing pictures from walls or replacing one variety of tea with another.

Other practices included PROPERTY DAMAGE, sabotage of cars, purposely incorrect medical treatment, SMEAR CAMPAIGNS including sending falsified compromising photos or documents to the victim's family, denunciation, provocation, PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE, psychological subversion, WIRETAPPING, BUGGING, mysterious PHONE CALLS or unnecessary deliveries, even including sending a vibrator to a target's wife. Usually victims had no idea the Stasi were responsible. Many thought they were losing their minds, and mental breakdowns and suicide could result.

One great advantage of the HARASSMENT perpetrated under Zersetzung was that its SUBTLE nature meant that it was able to be DENIED. That was important given that the GDR was trying to IMPROVE ITS INTERNATIONAL STANDING during the 1970s and 80s.

ZERSETZUNG techniques HAVE SINCE BEEN ADOPTED BY OTHER SECURITY AGENCIES, particularly the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB).[28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

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