Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8708 Sep 13, 2013
LunaticFringe wrote:
<quoted text> I actually think that many people in government, even the military, are ignorant of this stuff.
The U.S. gov't spent over $500 billion on intelligence after the 9/11 attacks. They now track everyone's emails and phone calls. The postal service photographs every piece of mail. Vehicle license plates are now tracked photographically very extensively by surveillance cameras. Homeland security information is now shared across the country among federal and local law enforcement agencies by a very sophisticated "data fusion center" network, etc...

I was able to find out about this stuff just using Google. But somehow the fed's have no clue about a national gang stalking phenomenon - which uses surveillance and psyops tactics identical to those used by previous gov't counterintelligence programs - such as Cointelpro, MK Ultra, East Germany's Stasi police state, etc.?

That's an interesting theory you have.

You're not a disinformation sock puppet by any chance, are you?
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8709 Sep 13, 2013
FightGangStalking wrote:
<quoted text>
Two questions:
(1) Do you think the U.S. government knows about these "rogue vigilante groups?"
(2) Do you think the "surveillance role players" being hired by intelligence contractors (who are required to have U.S. gov't security clearances and counterintelligence backgrounds)are involved in gang stalking?
Yes and yes.

There are vigilante groups that set up people in order to catch them. Attributing actions to actors. I read that 70 percent of the people who work for the government on these spy and set up campaigns aren't government employees. They are unethical people who like to catch unethical people, kind of a new version of the Spanish Inquisition.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8710 Sep 14, 2013
WHY THE RULING CLASS IS SO UPSET ABOUT ED SNOWDEN

‘Hey, check this out,’ Faulk says he would be told,‘there’s good phone sex or there’s some pillow talk, pull up this call, it’s really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say,‘Wow, this was crazy,’ Faulk told ABC News.”

If that’s the way NSA analysts could deal with U.S. military officers in Iraq—fellow cogs in the system, fighting on behalf of U.S. imperialism—how much respect do you suppose they have for you and your privacy? For your security from their searches, their violations?

But the main issue is not your protection from phone-sex interlopers, but protection from those who want to do you harm.

The FBI’s “Counterintelligence Program”(COINTELPRO), active from 1956 to 1971, collected information through wiretaps and other means with the specific objective of destroying civil rights and left-wing organizations. One of its stated missions was to use surveillance on activists to release negative personal information to the public to discredit them. In many instances the agents succeeded, and they ruined lives. And their abilities to do so pale in comparison with the abilities of Obama’s NSA.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/26/why-th...

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8711 Sep 14, 2013
SENATOR FRANK CHURCH
___On The Dangers Of The NSA

Even among US Senators, virtually nothing was known at the time about the National Security Agency. The Beltway joke was that "NSA" stood for "no such agency".

Upon completing his investigation, Church was so shocked to learn what he had discovered - the massive and awesome spying capabilities constructed by the US government with no transparency or accountability - that he issued the following warning, as reported by the New York Times, using language strikingly stark for such a mainstream US politician when speaking about his own government:

"'That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.'

"He added that if a dictator ever took over, the NSA 'could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8712 Sep 14, 2013
FightGangStalking wrote:
<quoted text>
The U.S. gov't spent over $500 billion on intelligence after the 9/11 attacks. They now track everyone's emails and phone calls. The postal service photographs every piece of mail. Vehicle license plates are now tracked photographically very extensively by surveillance cameras. Homeland security information is now shared across the country among federal and local law enforcement agencies by a very sophisticated "data fusion center" network, etc...
I was able to find out about this stuff just using Google. But somehow the fed's have no clue about a national gang stalking phenomenon - which uses surveillance and psyops tactics identical to those used by previous gov't counterintelligence programs - such as Cointelpro, MK Ultra, East Germany's Stasi police state, etc.?
That's an interesting theory you have.
You're not a disinformation sock puppet by any chance, are you?
No, I'm not a sock puppet. Frankly I'm offended. I've suffered as a TI for 14 years. It's been hell. I don't think the Gov cares about me. Some of the people I know who may be real life were radicals and this started when I pissed one of them off. I know that someone has been messing with my psychology in favour of their own ideals. A PSYOP, if you like.

I'm not anti-feminism or anti-anarchist or anything, but it seems I was targeted by them a radical anarchist feminist group.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8713 Sep 14, 2013
Our psychological freedom is being stolen from up. Not saying that we should be ignore our problems, but you can see where extremist radicals might take things.

Go to hell you fascists!!( not members of the forums )

Yeah, it's terrifying. It isn't just about harassment. They're not doing this just to scare people. They are experimenting on us, controlling the population, by manipulating they psychological make up.

Add to that DEW which now to seems to accompany GS and you see where things are going.
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8714 Sep 14, 2013
LunaticFringe wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm not a sock puppet. Frankly I'm offended. I've suffered as a TI for 14 years.
Since you're a TI - and not a professional liar, I'll share this with you: the FBI, DIA, CIA, etc. DO know what's going on - because they're running the organized stalking game.

They also pay the disinformation sock puppet trolls on this forum.

So yeah, they have a pretty good idea what's going on.

Unfortunately for them, the American public now has a pretty good idea of what is going on too - thanks to people like Edward Snowden, Barrett Brown, Michael Hastings, Bradley Manning, Daniel Ellsberg, etc.

The disinformation campaign is going so badly, that the American public realized they were being lied to about going to war with Syria and said "no thanks" to the intelligence-military establishment's latest project.

Apparently, you were the last person who didn't know that the federal gov't is a cesspool of corrupt lying bastards and greedy crony contractors.

Well, at least now you know who is behind all your harassment. You can read the details at FightGangStalking.com

Have a nice day.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8715 Sep 14, 2013
Listen Perps.. I see through all the tricks you've layed down. I know I auto generate many of these. I know it's been a long time since you shot me with emf tapes back in 2004, and if you want to go back further, 1998-1999, and all the messages you left just as soon as you came. I just want to know what you did and the psychology behind it. I want to know how "severe" the realignment of my psychology was. Don't I get a choice? Obviously I don't want to hurt anyone, but how much is enough?

I'm not falling for this stuff. I went to school, I stayed on my meds, and I got a lot of work done. I discovered the link between mind control and choinergics which seem to flush the messages out.

I was an immature idiot. I didn't know how to handle my problems, but then you would know me better than I know myself.
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8716 Sep 14, 2013
^Contact me at [email protected]
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8717 Sep 14, 2013
I believe there is a global conspiracy and that these PSYOPSs are a part of it. They are design to force us in to catagories. This includes ove style. Slowly but surely popular culture is become a wasteland and these people are to blame. What's worst, we may not know, and may not even care. If you've never been allowed to experience, you won't miss it once it's gone.

Which comes first language or thought and inner experience? I believe there is conspiracy to stop us from expressing or experiencing out emotions by denying us the tools ( such as music ) to communicate affective experience. You might want to call a lot of old music contraban. WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!You'll never know if something exists in you if you don't it manifest itself in reality.

The targeted individuals are literally churned out like cars off an assembly line. I'm a 14 years of experience as a TI and I can tell you DEW is horrible.

This is how DEW works:

The perps come by at night, and literally play tapes that are conveyed to the brain via emf. After that, they need not come back. The targets mind is then filled with these messages. The perps need not come back all the while the target slows as they live their life is "programmed" with new behaviours.

It's a global conspiracty. These could be radicals. I don't know. Obviously they believe they're doing what's best. I have a lot more to say about that.

Fight for your freedom to think, and love in the manner you choose, despite your failings. They took my power away, and I'm not a fan of denial.
Michaela

Manassas, VA

#8718 Sep 14, 2013
This goes to everyone here, not just LunaticFringe. Everyone loves to hate on redneck small towns, but most of the time in the past, we didn't have to worry about gangstalking like you do in big cities. It did follow me back, but it took Los Angeles for it to get really bad, and things escalated when I had falling outs with certain people. Now, I realize that it may or may not have been those people, but other people who wanted me to hang out with them. They wanted me to date people who were part of a certain group. The people who do gangstalking are just as tweaked, or even more tweaked, than the people they're targeting. I think we know that by now. I realized the hard way, in my own life, that I was targeted much longer than I originally thought. Someone told me I was being used as a scapegoat, and I think other people were, too.

I was raised under a rock, and since no one wanted to clue me in as to what was really happening and take a risk, hell broke loose as a result (well, what I have to infer, since no one tells me anything). No one valued me enough to tell me the truth, and I accept that. Or maybe, I should feel elated that I am the Most Stalked Barely Famous Person of All Time Ever or Most Lied About Person of All Time. So maybe, I should be thanking everyone instead of denigrating them for making me so important.

Most people in my small town area, even AFTER my stories, prefer to be under a rock. They are either dumb or just playing dumb. My advice to everyone is to avoid getting brainwashed and think twice before jumping in to hate someone. Romantic love is fine, and I recommend that above everything else. However, a lot of drama can ensue when men regularly demonstrate the worst traits of women, or use other people as pawns in a game.
LunaticFringe wrote:
I'm sad. I don't know what they did to my psychology without asking. One of the voices when the DEW started said "women don't want your type of love", "you're an abuser", and "women want men who think with their dicks". I inferred from all of this that he was talking about "romantic love" and that he - the perp - was some sort of radical feminist. Is eros always bad? I love eros. I've loved eros since I was born. I would listen to music and think, what a beautiful melody when I was growing up. Now it seems like a lot of garbage. And what is wrong with intimacy and commitment? As long as you don't lose yourself in the other person. But then, why not? We're here to help each other anyway? What's life without other people in it? Why be so judgemental and dismissive? Help me. This is a nightmare.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8719 Sep 15, 2013
Again, at the local level (victimization involving lawyers)....

One only has to pursue and challenge this corruption to see the same results repeatedly (obstruction, tampering, malpractice) until a victim of these "organized crimes" looses count.

Set up appointments, use referral services, visit unacquainted lawyer offices,(plural) give `em your name, tell `em you're a victim of [OS/GS] stalking and watch the malfeasance and misfeasance taking place!

Any knowledgeable victim can experience for themselves the extent at which the "so called" legal system now operates from a position of self-protective, self-serving and self-regulating (all encompassing) corruption, via a systemic network of illegal/unwarranted "defaming, tracking and violating database" victimizaton; inclusive to lawyers [ lawmakers, judges and prosecutors]!

The key is "not" show me the money; the key is show me the: "illegal, unwarranted, fraudulent, falsified, piled-on, defaming, discrediting, modified, violating and victimizing database" of targeted (entrapment, baiting, staged and manufactured) crimes/violations/assaults with your name front and center as the projected criminal!

Go `head, go`head.... ask the lawyers (plural) and reflect upon what happens !

Civil servant/surrogate victimization <=> Lawyer victimization <=> DOJ victimization !

This too is at the very core of how OS is instigated, propagated and corrupts justice !
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8720 Sep 15, 2013
Why does this world suck so much? Why do these guys even exist? Oh, yeah, right, homeland security or maybe the thought police. Or forced psychiatric treatment. Do we even have rights anymore?
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8721 Sep 15, 2013
Oh the perps are getting crafty. I must be afraid to commit to a relationship because of a fear of rejection...awww...Actually it's cause they f*ked y love style from eros to ludus in their conspiracy against romantic love. These are dark days indeed. We're moving o a new radical despotic gov that spread propaganda, and even tells us how and who we love... same old of stuff.
hoop da

Santa Ana, CA

#8722 Sep 15, 2013
I had to disconnect my door bell a few weeks after i moved to a ghetto apt. Cause some one kept ringing in the middle of the night.so shades of the csi where someone trying to to drive some one crazy.with tape recorded crap remotely controlled.so at 4 am (my body wakes me up at 3:30am) i hear a tape recorded dorbell chime 4or5 times.just funny.someone also records my microwave which has a annoying beep and plays it periodically.people are EVIL and predictable.seems if one does not respond to st the atre the paiddiks become mote physical and threatening
hoop de

Santa Ana, CA

#8723 Sep 15, 2013
Even at usps. A postmaster almost nailled me with a cart full if mail.i had seen her at parties thrown by my former landlady that used to threaten me with all the influential asiNs she knew.i straight up called pm out .told her i had sren st the parties and too not hit me.former ll also had people from my former company at her home.i suspect they oaid her as she fid tens of thousands of dollars of remodeling in hrr home after my surgery
hoop de

Santa Ana, CA

#8724 Sep 15, 2013
Spel check.former landlady spent lotsa dough on remodeling.but ,maybe just coincidence.I did also see a lady who worked security at my g

.former cor

Wish an ethical cop would help me
ladeda

Santa Ana, CA

#8725 Sep 15, 2013
Omg it's like .connect the dots.surgeons nurse casemanager wouldn't fill out my disabled placard form initially.finally did.she was very angry i did not lose my temper. Omg. OmgThen.insurance co sent ne to a nursing home for two weeks after surgeryWHE.RE A LADY I REPEATEDLY TOID MY FORNER COMPANY WAS STEaling moonlight ed.i got 2 showers in 2 weeks.asjked for no me at as it looked like pigeon innards.every meal 3x a day for 2 weeks was wrong and had to be senr bacj.cook got mad and came . Inti my room with a potato on a fork.they were trying to get me to go bazinkers.even heard some people on a visit saying the witch in that room.thar waz day 12 so snasthesia pretty much out of my systen.at.hospital aftet surgery which wss.notALOBOTOBY..i was in a brand new hospital. Omg
ladeda

Santa Ana, CA

#8726 Sep 15, 2013
I a room with no curtain,no working phone or wifi.i was there 3day s before nursing home trNsfer.they fixed the wifi n phone on 3rd day.a guy from my company who used to bulky me and call me phxxci beach walked by my room a few t imes.'m
ladeda

Santa Ana, CA

#8727 Sep 15, 2013
Former mean boss had a relative that worjed at that hospital.was wondering how my tormenter knew what room i was in.

My own surgeon on a follow 6 month s after surgery pulled so hatd on my leg i needed crutches to get home.ended up in er 3 days later.evil dr.i told my wclawyer mist if this.he told me day beforw surgery that mt surgery was cancelled.lie.he just wanted hus money.oor his boss did.i lije my wc lawyer.his boss one of them DLIMY....

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