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#8572 Sep 4, 2013
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hopd

Los Angeles, CA

#8574 Sep 4, 2013
there's a bit of a lunatic fringe on here.stress

of harassment taxing.just think that there are fakers on here.oneofmy neighbor s having a booyty calkl. heard guy say is thatwhere shelives.she asked him how he knew me.he said worj.getting it ftom all sides.oh well.good for bootycsall girl
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8575 Sep 4, 2013
So what was the gain of a "call" that would undoubtedly produce its more than share of fakes, flakes and turncoats; knowing this is nothing but a controlled (civil servant/cop) crime and corruption??

Since: Sep 12

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#8576 Sep 5, 2013
ptw wrote:
So what was the gain of a "call" that would undoubtedly produce its more than share of fakes, flakes and turncoats; knowing this is nothing but a controlled (civil servant/cop) crime and corruption??
I assume the "call" you're talking about is to the cops?
Perhaps, and when it suits YOU, you can use it to your advantage.

FightGangStalking.com makes an excellent argument for "Calling The Cops". It takes some preparation and it's (admittedly) more of the same sh*t but think of the "fun" you could have.(!)

Since: Sep 12

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#8579 Sep 5, 2013
LunaticFringe wrote:
Things are freaking me out. I feel so uncomfortable. I think they're trying to ramp up my narcissism, drop my empathy, and increase my aggresssion. It's like anger infused. Maybe the end goal is to make me more aware of my aggression. I notice all these slight changes in my behaviour. I don't know. I don't like it.
Hey, Lunatic Fringe,

You're in control. No one else. You think you're being "pushed" into a certain direction? Do the opposite.

It's all a big mindf***. So, act accordingly.
ella

Bellevue, WA

#8580 Sep 5, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
The mcgeorge school of law has put together a website for victims of crime. I think it's only for resources in california and I think I called a couple of years ago and didn't get anywhere. And I doubt there are any real victims on here but I'll post this for people who may be reading this anyway.
Website. 1800victims.org
You keep saying " real victims, real TI"s. Who are you to question who is and who isn't what you call a TI.Do you know what other people are going through? And if you know you must be one of those cybercrooks that cyberstalk everybody. Do you know what it's like to have dozens, hundreds of people following you everywhere, invading your privacy and corrupting including your own family, convincing them that what they do is ok? Do you really know what it's like to have your neighbors stalking your the second you walk out the door, spying on you with infrared cameras and using their own kids to bully you and letting them know when you walk out the door? You don't.Because otherwise you would't question or judge what others post. I come from a culture of corrupton, a country that is member of European Union but has no equal rights like other countries. Why? Because of such people, because of criminals, thieves, gypsy culture and others. I love my country but I am ashamed of the peeople that consider themselves patriots and destroy and terrorize their own conationals.When you will know these things you can speak for others.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8581 Sep 5, 2013
no,... I was speaking of actions taken relative to this site!

This is a cop/civil servant,(however you title it) crime. Beyond taking initial steps to comfirm this locally, relative to obvious continued victimization, one should know this before ever reaching an OS/GS site. If anything it's probably one reason for searching and arriving at an OS/GS site (local cop obstruction). And having recognized this, continued involving or relying on local cops would be futile.

Documenting victimization of civil servant federal crimes/violations would normally be done at ALL federal levels (by ALL, I'm again basing it on your experience, ability and time to perceive patterned practices of deception in reporting federal crimse/violations, as of recognizing relative felony obstruction & tampering covering up this corruption). A skill that needs developing, if you haven't yet taken the time or effort to pursue this level,(and otherwise impossible to obtain through others [beyond hints] because it's based on your individual experiences).
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8582 Sep 5, 2013
Excellent,... that post only took 12min to register!

I must be doing something right, if they're now being flagged and disrupted at the second they're posted!

Gee, what could that be beyond calling out this corruption and its relation to forums??

Can, you say datamining and tracking?

Since: Sep 12

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#8583 Sep 5, 2013
ptw wrote:
Gee, what could that be beyond calling out this corruption and its relation to forums??
Can, you say datamining and tracking?
I'm just curious. Any of the "disinformation trolls" or "surveillance role-players" want to post their resume here on the Gang Stalking Debate Forum?

It would be interesting to see the level of intelligence "we" are dealing with.

***I dare you.
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8584 Sep 5, 2013
ella wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep saying " real victims, real TI"s. Who are you to question who is and who isn't what you call a TI.Do you know what other people are going through? And if you know you must be one of those cybercrooks that cyberstalk everybody. Do you know what it's like to have dozens, hundreds of people following you everywhere, invading your privacy and corrupting including your own family, convincing them that what they do is ok? Do you really know what it's like to have your neighbors stalking your the second you walk out the door, spying on you with infrared cameras and using their own kids to bully you and letting them know when you walk out the door? You don't.Because otherwise you would't question or judge what others post. I come from a culture of corrupton, a country that is member of European Union but has no equal rights like other countries. Why? Because of such people, because of criminals, thieves, gypsy culture and others. I love my country but I am ashamed of the peeople that consider themselves patriots and destroy and terrorize their own conationals.When you will know these things you can speak for others.
Yes, I know what it's like. Yes, I have been rude on this forum and I apologize to those who are real victims on here. Truthfully, though, I think there are more perps on here. Actually, I know there are because of the locations that come up and the stupid things people say. I also know that thiese forums have people who are policing. Which is which I can't say. I don't think you've posted before since I've been on here. You seem to not be interested in the help I was trying to provide in that post.
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8585 Sep 5, 2013
ella wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep saying " real victims, real TI"s. Who are you to question who is and who isn't what you call a TI.Do you know what other people are going through? And if you know you must be one of those cybercrooks that cyberstalk everybody. Do you know what it's like to have dozens, hundreds of people following you everywhere, invading your privacy and corrupting including your own family, convincing them that what they do is ok? Do you really know what it's like to have your neighbors stalking your the second you walk out the door, spying on you with infrared cameras and using their own kids to bully you and letting them know when you walk out the door? You don't.Because otherwise you would't question or judge what others post. I come from a culture of corrupton, a country that is member of European Union but has no equal rights like other countries. Why? Because of such people, because of criminals, thieves, gypsy culture and others. I love my country but I am ashamed of the peeople that consider themselves patriots and destroy and terrorize their own conationals.When you will know these things you can speak for others.
Oh. Maybe I do remember your posts. Sorry about that.
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8586 Sep 5, 2013
Article on stalking by proxy says that probably half of all intimate partner stalking campaigns involve using multiple people.

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/intimate-part...

Article also talks about types of cyber stalking methods are used.
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8587 Sep 5, 2013
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8590 Sep 5, 2013
From another forum...
Eleanor White wrote:
<quoted text>

I know I'm going to draw fire for my reply, but I would caution targets that organized stalking is different from the "occupy" causes.

Officials seamlessly deny it's real, and most of the general public write it off as mental illness...

And, when lone targets act up, they usually bring threats and sometimes follow-through by the authorities of being forced into the psychiatric system.

Toned-down flyers and picket signs, along with squeaky clean compliance with sidewalk laws can work well.

Eleanor White
"A Special Place in Hell" is right. The Occupy Wall Street movement is a natural ally of gang stalking victims. Both groups are being harassed by counterintelligence programs by the federal government - on behalf of the major corporations and intelligence/federal law enforcement agency parasites.

The general public doesn't write-off gang stalking as a mental illness; disinformation sock puppet contractors do. The general public doesn't know anything about gang stalking. That's the reason targeted individuals need to be more aggressive about exposing it.

Warnings about psychiatric labeling is a bluff. Organized stalking victims are already blacklisted, anyway -- plus the authorities do not want to be officially involved in reports and arrests related to a counterintelligence program they've been told to keep quiet about.

Lone targets SHOULD "act up." That's the only way to change things. Occupy Wall Street and Civil Rights Movement activists understand that.

Perpetrators of gang stalking want victims to suffer in silence and never make trouble for the perps. That's why victims should do the opposite. Only a fool plays an unfair game by their enemies' rules.

It would be a HUGE mistake to "tone down" flyers. Make them as provocative as possible (just don't include any threats or profanity). The perps HATE that tactic. That's the reason the sock puppet disinformation trolls always advise against it.

More info at FightGangStalking.com
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8591 Sep 5, 2013
For all the v2k people, check out the book "hallucinations " by Oliver sacks. In the chapter on hearing voices he tells about a psychologist who did a study in the 70s to test the depth of most psychiatric examinations. Some people with no mental disorders went to various hospitals and said that they were hearing voices. All of them used 3 words, I can't remember which ones. All of the patients otherwise acted like normal people. All of them were hospitalized for a realiy long time. I think for 2 months.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8592 Sep 6, 2013
The clear intent, as it now appears, of efforts by any "Organized Scheming" networked lawlessness, be it FBI, NSA or area enforcement "TARGETING VICTIMS," (which is a clear distinction), has EVERYTHING to do with disruption, retaliation and counter-intel (disinformation, discrediting and defamation) campaigns.

This corruption can only be accomplished through ongoing, illegal and unwarranted violations to privacy, liberties, rights as of tracking victims to all destinations to implement both defamation and discrediting campaigns. This includes physician enrolled malpractice with intent of psychological trashing/bashing of their patient for "official" documentation purposes! And like all victim destinations it's implemented through fraud, falsifications, abuse, misconduct and misfeasance of civil servant authority, position, service and resources!

Again, if you actually pursue the felony crimes and violations for yourself at every opportunity, this level of targeting will become clear without any of the suppositioning or guessing! Only with all the proper knowledge of how these federal crimes actually operate, gained through personal experience, will you become better at recognizing and addressing the corruption behind it.
steyefulled

Lincoln, NE

#8593 Sep 6, 2013
There are alot of good journalists around, I'm not saying they are all involed, but the perps & or cops, I believe have there troops planted in various journalism related areas, I never saw any in the topix news, but abc, fox, & sometimes advertising on the radio, looks like intended attempts to harass & incite, against myself & anyone who sticks up for me, I can't prove any of this, so call me delusional if you want, I don't care. Maybe I,m wrong but it looks that way. & when combined with the grassroots gps stuff & following me around It looks like a serious attempt to foment some sort of mob. May be thats what gangstalking is.
steyefulled

Lincoln, NE

#8594 Sep 6, 2013
Its all done through psudonym insinuations, like I said I can't prove anything Im not going to try. Maybe
LunaticFringe

Toronto, Canada

#8595 Sep 6, 2013
It's mind control. Not Gang stalking. The reason they're doing this is to change our behavior. If you listen closely you'll hear the suggestions.

I hate them. The first girl I liked in high school..I pisser her off in an email..thought pissing her off was funny..wasn't really sure I was pissing her off actuall.. when she put me in a headlock I couldn't stop laughing. attention is so nice I guess. Shortly after that I was hit with the DEW. Now they're doing the exact opposite. I can't take this anymore!!

There is no doubt about it. There is an elite that has access to these "vigilante psychologists". Again, I'm pretty sure they do not exist just to harass us. Some of them are even on this forum. They sent them after me for pretty much nothing, the girl I was talking about, the first time with god only knows what consqeuences. The tech has an affect on the brain, which in turn cause dysregulation of aggression. Basically frontal lobe dysfunction.

I went NUTS when I was hit as a kid. I hit a girl over the head with a binder. I started smacking my head against lockers. I didn't like it when people used curse words so I started running around cursing at everyone....trying to freak them out cause they were cursing. The constipation hurt me so much I cried to my mother. I was a kid. This is not how children should be "helped". I couldn't control myself and ended up in a hospital. This caused considerable grief for my parents too.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8596 Sep 6, 2013
The whole intent of "Organized Scheming corruption is to engage in lawlessness (violations to civil/legal rights, liberties and privacy), and covering it all up by "projecting" manufactured crimes/attributes onto victims.

This is how all enforcement, agencies and entities operate (above and outside the law), due to self-preserving abuse, misconduct and excesses [liberties] attributed to self-serving interpretations of secret law, terrorist labels, the Patriot/Safe Acts and a culture of corruption.

Agency/entity self-serving corruption relies on manufactured "victimization," by targeting privacy violating and defamation based crimes through agency/entity criminal activity (in support of corruption, obstruction of justice and investigative tampering).

This includes both physical and psychological "implement," and "projected" crimes which victims experience from the beginning (sensitizing, targeted defamation), inaddition to what's taking place behind your back; physician enrolled psychological trashing/bashing (malpractice).

"Organized Scheming" corruption (victimization) is a dual attack from both "physical" and "psychological" implemented and projected crimes that operate in tandem,(Sensitize, Defame, DISCREDIT)! Once again, these are "federal" crimes, and "crimes against humanity," and by victims personally documenting and questioning this corruption formally, you increase your knowledge base vs. that of guessing!

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