Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8339 Aug 19, 2013
From another forum:
Mru486 wrote:
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I agree with Eleanor that this will probably backfire on the target. Almost nobody will question what a perp says about a target. This is the simple rules of gossip even without gang stalking. I'm seeing how the media only shows interviews of men who claim to be targets. No matter what I say I am not believable so in my case, at any rate, This would be an excuse to harass me even more.
My perps are mostly immigrants, and whomever they can get to play along, and I guess one government contractor group which is really scary. I called one of these people asking for help. Bad bad move.
The fact that perps try to discourage TIs from exposing gang stalking by mailing flyers to their neighbors just proves how much the perps don't like the exposure this tactic causes. TIs should take that as a cue: exploit this tactic a lot.

If you are already a TI you have nothing to lose. Mailing flyers is legal. Stalking people is not. It's the stalkers who lose when gang stalking is exposed.

Shine a light on the cockroaches. They hate it.:)

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FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8340 Aug 19, 2013
from another forum:
Eleanor White wrote:
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Listen, chum, when your activism has brought the police psycho squad to your door, as happened to me, you get smarter, real fast. The psychiatric landscape is changing. People are being forced into the psychiatric system at an increasing rate and for frivolous reasons. Targets need to consider that when they decide to do public activism. Eleanor White
Stalking is illegal - and so is forcing someone into a psychiatric facility for "frivolous reasons."

For TIs - if you ENJOY being stalked and harassed, don't mail flyers to your neighbors exposing the stalking. But if you find the harassment UNPLEASANT, you should expose the stalkers.

Mailing flyers is a legal way to throw a big wrench into their criminal machine.
Brina

Minneapolis, MN

#8341 Aug 19, 2013
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Gang stalking appears to be a well orchestrated crime to lessen our constitutional rights as Americans. Orchestrate a crime, propose a law to fix it. Mad Genius.
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Dec 6, 2008
They are tageting individuals they suspect are mentally unstable which in turns discredits the testimonies of the T.I. The main idea I want to stress is that you cannot lump all mental disorders in one bag. I have anxiety disorders, but I do not have schizophrenia, hallucinations or Think I am someone that I am not. I don't think everyone is out to get me. I am a T.I. and I know that this phenomenon of gang stalking is real. I have a child that was immobilized on the floor unable to move as a result of this phenomenon. If you try to tell those in the professional field what is going on they hold you in the hospital against your will for 72 hours. This evil is going on under the radar of the public and mental illness is the excuse to discredit victims of this abuse.
They have ppl at the mall surrounded with cellphones because I don't own one and they are relaying the microwave attack thru their radius via my implant or whatever. YThese ppl have opened the bedroom doors of children allowing child pedophilia to become possible thru gang stalking. God will take care of this Psalms 64.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8342 Aug 19, 2013
While entertained,...uh-hum;

To weigh in on what I'm seeing and others are evaluating about FFCHS! What do we all know about corrupt civil servant OS (of which we all know these crimes are based)? If we read real verifiable facts, inclusive of that by ex-FBI agents; civil servant/enforcement instinctively infiltrate groups and engage in any level of (often intentional illicit) activities! They'll infiltrate bad groups, normal groups and good groups for less than ethical intent, including as appears obvious, forums (another uh-hum)!

If 1/10th of what is being perceived of this FFCHS group is correct, they have "obviously" encountered some level of "controlling" infiltration at some level,(if not from the beginning)! And if there's just some doubt knowing about OS group criminal activity, one should error on the side of extreme precaution (as with these forums).

With that said, when it seems obvious that a group has a negative OS reputational problem, why would anyone keep aligning themselves with them? It makes no sense, when so many are questioning them! You'd have to be either arrogant, naive and unable to perceive you're being played, or brainless as a "scarecrow!"

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8343 Aug 19, 2013
Comment from another forum:

Eleanor White wrote:

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People are being forced into the psychiatric system at an increasing rate and for frivolous reasons. Targets need to consider that when they decide to do public activism.
Eleanor White

Take your ball and go home.
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8345 Aug 19, 2013
The filmmaker who helped Edward snowden, Laura poitras, has been put on homeland securities highest alert list just because she made a movie about Iraqis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Poitras
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8346 Aug 19, 2013
FBI article explaining how they make a threat assessment. Anybody claiming to be gang stalked is more likely to be declared a potential threat than a victim. http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publication... . This is for workplace and school violence.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#8347 Aug 20, 2013
to Mariaxoxo wrote:
the stalking to one of the "groups"- the boss for the stalkers develop plans of action suitable for the psychological traits of the proposed victims.
For example, I loved and rescued a Large Black cat from the Westport shelter. The cat gave my Dad great enjoyment before Dad died.
In North Carolina, Animal Control picked up the cat,who was meowing next to the car door for breakfast.(We had parked in what had appeared to be a vacant field, having no money for motel and no desire for a night of being harassed, threatened or worse.) 2 police officers were there as we watched the cat being taken by animal control and the cops would not answer our questions as to where they were going.
So- with me and my son cherishing our kitty and saving his life from being euthanized in Westport....it was a real emotional blow.
That is what the gangstalkers want to create: a sense that nobody cares about you, those who surround you hate you (the fake dossiers and slander do a good job in a small town. After all, the top ladders of the gangstalking group LOOK like FBI agents...
Lies are created and spread. You are a pedophile, a murderer on the run, etc.
Using the gps monitor and audio monitor they have stashed in your vehicle (also audio in the home),they track you. Using audio, they often end up getting to the destination (ex.- restaurant) before you do.
That gives them time to talk to the manager about who is going to show up and how evil a person they area. Service is sometimes denied. For me, the word satanism was being tossed around a few times. What a sick joke.
They isolate you from your friends and family, mob you at work if you are still managing to hang on to employment (often ti's end up homeless), and gradually increase the torture directed at you.
You are one- against 100's of them and their state of the art weaponry, including gps.(Toss your cell phone- they use it to follow you.)
Your car will be sabotaged, home broken into, important papers, money, medications, legal work- will be stolen from you if possible. All to render you less powerful.
Sleep deprivation is commonly used. Once a person has suffered months of lack of sleep, their strength of mind and body begins to deteriorate.
Now they have you where they want you. Now is when they big out the big guns. No more "street theatre" but rather, the reality of being shot in the middle of the day or night by some deranged crackhead given money for his next "hit."
Will continue more later. A major difficulty for most victims is that most psychiatrists, listening to these tales of horror, assume a delusional, paranoid or schizophrenic disorder.
The few "doctors who know" and I was blessed with him...helped me try to keep my spirits up and my view on today, not yesterday. He also did not think I was safe in the Shelter as "someone" was paid off to steal money, a wallet, 2 phones, meds, etc......and the thief was a staff member.
More later. If you are being gangstalked YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
You know EXACTLY what's going on. And it has to be personal otherwise their actions would have zero effect. I learned that a psychologist was in with the gang stalkers in bullying this girl. A psychologist. And that same psychologist wouldn't try to help her either but use its knowledge to victimise her. Plz Keep Preachin it.
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8348 Aug 20, 2013
from another forum...
Mru486 wrote:
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If you say that you are being gang stalked, the police automatically ask you about your mental health and they do it in as rude and as shocking a way to throw you off. And that's really weird because back in 2009 or 2010 the police in hemet were being harassed and they put out a statewide alert about gang stalking. The governor made an announcement. The detective who was being targeted had to quit working due to PTSD. Turns out they were being terrorized by 2 guys who wanted revenge for being arrested so it wasn't really group stalking, it was just sicko stalking, The stuff the guys did was really nasty, like setting up a booby trap at the entrance of the po lice department.
That whole incident in Hemet was the opposite of "gang stalking." Gang stalking is when the police (federal and/or local) and their civilian accomplices are the perpetrators - not the targets.

The government would never put out an alert about "gang stalking" (for the same reason the Mafia would never start making public announcements about the Mafia).
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8349 Aug 20, 2013
From another forum...
Mru486 wrote:
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Forcing someone into a psychiatric facility is legal in the u.s. inmates can't sue the police, the doctors or the hospital for any reason. If enough patients kill themselves the hospital can probably be put under review I suppose.
It's true that it's legal to forcibly put someone in a psychiatric facility - but only in the sense that it's legal for cops to shoot someone. It depends on the circumstances.

The supposed danger that targeted individuals of gang stalking will be forcibly put into psych facilities is just a lie that the undercover perps at FFCHS use to try to intimidate TIs so they won't try to expose the cockroaches who participate in organized stalking.

TIs should generally do the opposite of whatever FFCHS advises.

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Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8351 Aug 20, 2013
Today's fresh air program on NPR has an interview about the police and cybercrime. The book is called "the Internet police". Sorry don't have the writers name.

http://www.kqed.org/radio/programs/index.jsp...
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8352 Aug 20, 2013
FightGangStalking wrote:
from another forum...
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That whole incident in Hemet was the opposite of "gang stalking." Gang stalking is when the police (federal and/or local) and their civilian accomplices are the perpetrators - not the targets.
The government would never put out an alert about "gang stalking" (for the same reason the Mafia would never start making public announcements about the Mafia).
Any group of people can gang stalk. It's not just the police.
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8353 Aug 20, 2013
FightGangStalking wrote:
From another forum...
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It's true that it's legal to forcibly put someone in a psychiatric facility - but only in the sense that it's legal for cops to shoot someone. It depends on the circumstances.
The supposed danger that targeted individuals of gang stalking will be forcibly put into psych facilities is just a lie that the undercover perps at FFCHS use to try to intimidate TIs so they won't try to expose the cockroaches who participate in organized stalking.
TIs should generally do the opposite of whatever FFCHS advises.
FightGangStalking.com
Where are you getting your information from? I don't follow ffchs. The first 2 times I tried to report a theft, and mentioned gang stalking just to try to get some information about it, the police acted like they were going to put me in the nut house.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8354 Aug 20, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
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Where are you getting your information from? I don't follow ffchs. The first 2 times I tried to report a theft, and mentioned gang stalking just to try to get some information about it, the police acted like they were going to put me in the nut house.
Much of the time, presentation is key.

You may be saying something that, to others, seems ludicrous but if you're confident, well-educated/well-versed on the topic and present yourself as someone who knows what they're talking about and willing to answer questions, you'd be surprised at the kind of people that will stop and listen.

The police are another matter.
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8355 Aug 20, 2013
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Mru486 wrote:
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Yeah. And if you send the letter to a perp they will pour some white powder in the letter and call the cops and tell them that they just received a letter from the Unabomber.
No they won't. That would be a serious escalation. Those kinds of events get national news coverage. Also that could potentially come to the attention of some HONEST cops too - which is not what they want. Plus a criminal trial would involve a lot of discussion of the flyers which instigated the whole thing - and that would lead people to actually read the flyers and possibly look into what they said.

Perps don't want to get anyone officially involved. They prefer to have the harassment handled by contractors and criminals and vigilantes and keep the government's hands mostly clean.

That's why they have the undercover perps like FFCHS and forum trolls try to discourage TIs from publicly exposing them. They HATE exposure - just like cockroaches do.
FightGangStalkin g

Pasadena, CA

#8356 Aug 20, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
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Where are you getting your information from? I don't follow ffchs. The first 2 times I tried to report a theft, and mentioned gang stalking just to try to get some information about it, the police acted like they were going to put me in the nut house.
Who cares what they "acted like?" They didn't do anything. That's the point.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8357 Aug 21, 2013
As recent (observed) deception and manipulation clearly indicates, victimizing informants will stoop to any level, to perpetuate a crime, including (OS) victim fraud!

Organized scheming corruption is all about lying, violating and discrediting! And as everyone knows (especially enforcement), "informants are nothing but criminals" that possess no character, nor ethics, integrity or shame; meaning they will sell their soul. Intent to defraud victims of felony violations/crimes/corruption (OS), is a felony crime in it's own right, and on a forum this includes (by default) cyber stalking!

While this may not be clear to OS victim newbees, it certainly is to those of us who have been paying close attention!
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8358 Aug 21, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
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Much of the time, presentation is key.
You may be saying something that, to others, seems ludicrous but if you're confident, well-educated/well-versed on the topic and present yourself as someone who knows what they're talking about and willing to answer questions, you'd be surprised at the kind of people that will stop and listen.
The police are another matter.
Yeah. That might be true sometimes.
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#8359 Aug 21, 2013
FightGangStalking wrote:
from another forum...
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No they won't. That would be a serious escalation. Those kinds of events get national news coverage. Also that could potentially come to the attention of some HONEST cops too - which is not what they want. Plus a criminal trial would involve a lot of discussion of the flyers which instigated the whole thing - and that would lead people to actually read the flyers and possibly look into what they said.
Perps don't want to get anyone officially involved. They prefer to have the harassment handled by contractors and criminals and vigilantes and keep the government's hands mostly clean.
That's why they have the undercover perps like FFCHS and forum trolls try to discourage TIs from publicly exposing them. They HATE exposure - just like cockroaches do.
Okay, so you do it and tell us how it goes, from your cell in prison. I have to go out to my car right now to find out what vandalism was done to it overnight.
Mri486

San Francisco, CA

#8360 Aug 21, 2013
Good for the East Indians to allow this conversation to surface after 6000 years. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/20/world/american-...

You'll never hear anyone in Mexico and Latin America, or Italy for that matter, or california, public ally allow this. I love how women who don't get harassed have to openly mouth their ack of experience. Why say anything?

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