Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
Mru486

Palo Alto, CA

#8232 Aug 8, 2013
ptw wrote:
Or maybe this:
<quoted text>
`cause I'm still waiting for an explanation!
It's difficult to respond to senseless babble. At least you type really well.
Mru486

Palo Alto, CA

#8233 Aug 8, 2013
I suppose that police can easily go overboard with gang stalking if they are gorked out on steroids. One guy pulled me over the other night and he was so puffy I couldn't tell what ethnicity he was. All I know if that I've been getting circled a lot by Certain types so i assume this was just an extended version of the harassment. i did mess up though and they are ulling everyone over right now to make money. and he signed the ticket with an Anglo name and that's disturbing. He was also asking a whole lot of personal questions.

Do police departments have these guys regularly examined? Steroids can make you nuts.
Mru486

Palo Alto, CA

#8234 Aug 8, 2013
Oh. And here are some examples of some of the substances which I think that gang stares have put into the fluids in my car. There's a locksmith right around the corner where I live so getting to the fluids is not a problem. They just need to file down the keys apparently and don't need a locksmith any way.

Not good to keep this secret anymore because the police aren't doing anything to protect or educate people about this.

They like to use oils and polishes that look a lot like the fluids. The gang stalkers pride themselves on studying up how hot certain oils get in comparison with what the car will burn. They think they are controlling whether or not this will do permanent damage to the car.

This last week the gang stalkers put oil from a tin of muscles. This is because they dug through my trash can and found that I had eaten this so they felt this personalized my torture. I'm not sure what they put in the power steering fluid. It makes sharp stabbing pains in my stomach and they got it all over the steering wheel when they broke into the car. A zit on my face got unbelievably infected and I had to go to the dr. I also got what I thought was food poisoning.

Sometimes the fluids smell like furniture polish. Employees in motels and hotels have a lot of this. A car mechanic pulled back the carpeting on the floor of my car and found tons of salad dressing oil under there. I thought the car had a leak because there were constant wet spots under the mats. This is usually bubbly stuff like cleaning solution because janitors know that ammonia/bleach combinations cause brain damage and coma..east Indian engineers like to show their Asian buddies how to put pieces of their lunch inside the axle and front of the car. This causes the fans to break, causes suspension and tire damage. Somebody explained to me a few days ago that truckers will typically gang stalk each other by spraying oils into the wheel wells to sabotage people. The gang stalkers know exactly which heat levels each cooking oil will heat to and think that car oil will heat to a higher level and will consume this. It guns up the engine. I have been told that a lot of gang stalkers work for car mechanics so they can learn how to sabotage cars. I suspect that some guys at one place cranked the valves too tight when I brought my car in for new brakes. The car never ran right after that. They let me know that they had worked on the car, at any rate, by returning my Amy winehouse cd which had been missing for a couple of months.

Ok, so furniture polish, ghee, salad dressing, all cooking oils, pancake syrup, meat grease, popcorn oil, all waste products. Gang stalkers pride themselves on weaponizing everything. One woman who knew who I was and who said she was married to a cop told me about some of the weapons that criminals make. Some people will start talking to me about the gang stalking sort of out of the blue without specifically saying what they are doing. I suspect they think they are helping me and in a way they are but in the creepiest way possible.

I don't know what else. Whatever. I'll remember stuff later. S

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8236 Aug 8, 2013
Linked From WhoWhatWhy Article, Above:

INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST BARRETT BROWN'S, PM PROJEST

Romas/COIN

The following report was released by Project PM (Barett Brown) in June 2011 and provides an overview of Romas/COIN along with incidental information on some of the firms that were involved in pursuing the contract throughout 2010 and early 2011.

My initial announcement piece in The Guardian is here. Additional information may be found in a follow-up piece by Tom Burghardt. Further commentary on the subject by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer is available in this Russia Today segment. All source material may be found here.

For at least two years, the U.S. has been conducting a secretive and immensely sophisticated campaign of mass surveillance and data mining against the Arab world, allowing the intelligence community to monitor the habits, conversations, and activity of millions of individuals at once. And with an upgrade scheduled for later this year, the top contender to win the federal contract and thus take over the program is a team of about a dozen companies which were brought together in large part by ***AARON BARR- THE SAME DISGRACED CEO WHO RESIGNED EARLIER THIS YEAR AFTER HE WAS DISCOVERED TO HAVE PLANNED A FULL-SCALE INFORMATION WAR AGAINST POLITICAL ACTIVISTS AT THE BEHEST OF CORPORATE CLIENTS.***

The new revelation provides for a disturbing picture, particularly when viewed in a wider context. UNPRECEDENTED SURVEILLANCE CAPABILITIES are being produced by an industry that WORKS IN SECRET on applications that are nonetheless FUNDED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC – and which in SOME CASES ARE USED AGAINST THAT VERY SAME PUBLIC. Their products are developed on demand for an intelligence community that is NOT SUBJECT TO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT and which has been REPEATEDLY SHOWN TO HAVE MISUSED ITS EXISTING POWERS TO VIOLATE U.S. LAW as well as American ideals. And with expanded intelligence capabilities by which to monitor Arab populations in ways that would have previously been impossible, THOSE SAME INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES NOW HAVE IMPROVED MEANS BY WHICH TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON DISSIDANTS TO THOSE REGIONAL DICTATORS dictators viewed by the U.S. as strategic allies.

http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Romas/COIN

http://fightgangstalking.com/

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8237 Aug 8, 2013
"Sock Puppets" of the Government

http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/08/07/connections-...
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8238 Aug 8, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
Linked From WhoWhatWhy Article, Above:
INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST BARRETT BROWN'S, PM PROJEST
Romas/COIN
The following report was released by Project PM (Barett Brown) in June 2011 and provides an overview of Romas/COIN along with incidental information on some of the firms that were involved in pursuing the contract throughout 2010 and early NOW HAVE IMPROVED MEANS BY WHICH TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON DISSIDANTS TO THOSE REGIONAL DICTATORS dictators viewed by the U.S. as strategic allies.
http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Romas/COIN
http://fightgangstalking.com/
If I remember correctly, Barrett brown has been in jail since last September or October. And the press isn't following his case at all?

I think the corporations are using all this information in a lot of ways. That's how all these big companies that are nothing but search engines are running billion dollar businesses. It's unbelievable what's going on. People really are zombies.
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8239 Aug 8, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
"Sock Puppets" of the Government
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/08/07/connections-...
I can't pretend that I understand everything in that article but it sure does seem that we've got some computer generated sock puppets on these fora.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8240 Aug 9, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
Linked From WhoWhatWhy Article, Above:
INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST BARRETT BROWN'S, PM PROJEST
Romas/COIN
The following report was released by Project PM (Barett Brown) in June 2011 and provides an overview of Romas/COIN along with incidental information on some of the firms that were involved in pursuing the contract throughout 2010 and early 2011...(and)...initial announcement piece in The Guardian......
Excellent! What's interesting are the dates of this report! Where was the mainstream media all this time? Following is documentation from this report that is disturbing, revealing if not confirming of uniform use of services/technology to violate the privacy, civil rts and liberties of everyone through obvious excesses, abuses and misconduct (a.k.a. OS) by this civil servant network :

The following report was released by Project PM in June 2011 and provides an overview of Romas/COIN along with incidental information on some of the firms that were involved in pursuing the contract throughout 2010 and early 2011.

Of course, there are many in the U.S. that would prefer that such details not be revealed at all; such people tend to cite the amorphous and much-abused concept of “national security” as sufficient reason for the citizenry to stand idly by as an ever-expanding coalition of government agencies and semi-private corporations gain greater influence..........and) believe that the citizenry should be prevented from knowing what is being done in its name (national security/foreign policy) and with its tax dollars.........

To the extent that the actions of a government are divorced from the informed consent of those who pay for such actions, such a government is illegitimate. To the extent that power is concentrated in the hands of small groups of men who wield such power behind the scenes, there is no assurance that such power will be used in a manner that is compatible with the actual interests of that citizenry, or populations elsewhere.......

Other details may be gleaned by an examination of the various other firms and individuals that are discussed as being potential partners.........From these and dozens of other clues and references, the following may be determined about the nature of Romas/COIN:

1. Mobile phone software and applications constitute a major component of the program.........
2. There's discussion of bringing in a “gaming developer,”........
3. Apple and Google were active team partners, and AT&T may have been as well. The latter is known to have provided the NSA free reign over customer communications (and was in turn protected by a bill granting them retroactive immunity from lawsuits). Google itself is the only company to have received a “Hostile to Privacy” rating from Privacy International. Apple is currently being investigated by Congress after the iPhone was revealed to compile user location data in a way that differs from other mobile phones; the company has claimed this to have been a “bug.”
.........And that listed as “businesses to contact,” are those that specialize in “social media monitoring tools,” and in “sophisticated natural language processing methodology.”.......

(Last evening 8-8-13 on CNN, Wolfe Blitzer reported information of NSA surveillance involving millions of emails and chat etc., of ordinary Americans communications that only contained certain words, and nothing more)!
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8242 Aug 9, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's difficult to respond to senseless babble. At least you type really well.
By that, you must mean your own bantering, review your posts ! You've still failed to address the question, pop-up!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8244 Aug 9, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
If I remember correctly, Barrett brown has been in jail since last September or October. And the press isn't following his case at all?
Yes. You're correct. Facing 105 years in prison.

The contribution that both Barrett Brown and Michael Hastings have given to investigative journalism is priceless. And, should be an example for others in the business. Unfortunately, they've both been "neutralized".

By the way, just love this e-mail thread. Really shows the tenacity of a true journalist.(Even though the texts devolved into personal insults) lol
__________

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Reines, Philippe I wrote:

&#8232;Why do you bother to ask questions you’ve already decided you know the answers to?

__________
From: Michael Hastings
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:50 PM&#8232;
To: Reines, Philippe I &#8232;Cc: Nuland, Victoria J
&#8232;Subject: Re: Request for comment &#8232;&#8232;

Why don’t you give answers that aren’t bullshit for a change?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/hill...
__________
Here's a few articles:

Journalist Who Exposed DOJs Disinformation Campaign Faces 105 Years In Prison

http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/stran...

Interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

By Barrett Brown, The Cyber-Intelligence Complex and Their Useful Idiots:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...

How Barrett Brown Shown Light On The Shady World Of Security Contractors

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...

The Strange Case of Barrett Brown

http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/stran...

****Much, if not all, of this information has been taken from the website:

FightGangStalking.com .

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#8246 Aug 9, 2013
it’s been 8 yrs. now for a friend of mine. at first it sounded like she was totally nuts to me bc something like this is very hard for me to fathom even after being initiated. i learned from her that talking about g.s. will get you involunterily incarcerated. she was put in a mental asylum with ppl who would show her their refuse claiming they were being sodomised in their sleep by 8men a night’, she was sexually assualted in there, physically also. surr. by a woman who did not like to bathe, from the hallway you knew she was menstruating. Surrounded by Through and through BONAFIDE crazies.her ‘parents’ helped do it. bc she does not see eye to eye with them, their using the same tactics on her as the perps it is their way of getting ‘even’. Real family. even doctors, other healthcare professionals are in on it. one doctor told her she should be careful bc they stick together and can make her unable to access decent healthcare. all her relationships are compromised. ALL OF THEM. She had mates who would tell her things she had said, hinted at things she had done, some would confess they were perps, some not. sheeple would ask her ifshe was constipated, when she had not ‘gone’ in a couple days. had a perp roommate who would never use the bathroom during the day, and at night would not turn on the light when she did use it. but most people cant think like monsters. how could she have even imagined that a camera was in the bathroom vent??? whenevershe moved, neighbours, landladies would be given slander about her. THEY TOLD her sheeple from different and not the surrounding areas came asking them about her, giving them her description, and then enlightened them with the ‘truth’. they are demons. it was a fake christian along with a self-given nickname dragonlady who started it all. she was not doing anything differently than many of her peers but i was not doing what i should have been doing either. she was just the easiest one to make into a target. she was bullied out of a job, out of an education once, and have now been unemployed for almost two years. I was initiated and I have to play along so I am not targeted too. It is like a game with a hierarchy of players. They want to provoke you to wrath so they will have a ‘legitatmate’ way to incarcerate you. My humble advice is: dont hurt anyone though it is a temptation to, dont hurt urself they would LOVE that esp if they can bring you back to start it all over agian. don’t destroy property, and try not to drink or do drugs. They want to OWN YOU LIKE YOU ARE A SLAVE. i believe they want to be the target's God. her internet activities are watched, I was told of a signal to say that she was coming. I HAD TO DO IT! I was to pretend I was talking on the phone and say “but what a gyal out of order ie rude. The target is oppressed bc they speak out. the truth. but the truth is only acceptable if it comes from an approved source apparently. they want to destroy all the good in you, TOTALLY, so you join them in their mental depravity. and they want you to think that this is a curse from God. it is not. God is better than that and therefore worth worshipping. you most likely will not have a meaningful life now, except as their entertainment, but you will later if you believe in Jesus Christ. only salvation lasts forever. i will continue to pray for the targeted ones, God does not sleep.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#8247 Aug 9, 2013
it’s been 8 yrs. now for a friend of mine. at first it sounded like she was totally nuts to me bc something like this is very hard for me to fathom even after being initiated. i learned from her that talking about g.s. will get you involunterily incarcerated. she was put in a mental asylum with ppl who would show her their refuse claiming they were being sodomised in their sleep by 8men a night’, she was sexually assualted in there, physically also. surr. by a woman who did not like to bathe, from the hallway you knew she was menstruating. Surrounded by Through and through BONAFIDE crazies.her ‘parents’ helped do it. bc she does not see eye to eye with them, their using the same tactics on her as the perps it is their way of getting ‘even’. Real family. even doctors, other healthcare professionals are in on it. one doctor told her she should be careful bc they stick together and can make her unable to access decent healthcare. all her relationships are compromised. ALL OF THEM. She had mates who would tell her things she had said, hinted at things she had done, some would confess they were perps, some not. sheeple would ask her if she was constipated, when she had not ‘gone’ in a couple days. had a perp roommate who would never use the bathroom during the day, and at night would not turn on the light when she did use it. but most people cant think like monsters. how could she have even imagined that a camera was in the bathroom vent??? whenevershe moved, neighbours, landladies would be given slander about her. THEY TOLD her sheeple from different and not the surrounding areas came asking them about her, giving them her description, and then enlightened them with the ‘truth’. they are demons. it was a fake christian along with a self-given nickname dragonlady who started it all. she was not doing anything differently than many of her peers but i was not doing what i should have been doing either. she was just the easiest one to make into a target. she was bullied out of a job, out of an education once, and have now been unemployed for almost two years. I was initiated and I have to play along so I am not targeted too. It is like a game with a hierarchy of players. They want to provoke you to wrath so they will have a ‘legitatmate’ way to incarcerate you. My humble advice is: dont hurt anyone though it is a temptation to, dont hurt urself they would LOVE that esp if they can bring you back to start it all over agian. don’t destroy property, and try not to drink or do drugs. They want to OWN YOU LIKE YOU ARE A SLAVE. i believe they want to be the target's God. her internet activities are watched, I was told of a signal to say that she was coming. I HAD TO DO IT! I was to pretend I was talking on the phone and say “but what a gyal out of order ie rude. The target is oppressed bc they speak out. the truth. but the truth is only acceptable if it comes from an approved source apparently. they want to destroy all the good in you, TOTALLY, so you join them in their mental depravity. and they want you to think that this is a curse from God. it is not. God is better than that and therefore worth worshipping. you most likely will not have a meaningful life now, except as their entertainment, but you will later if you believe in Jesus Christ. only salvation lasts forever. i will continue to pray for the targeted ones, God does not sleep.
Mru486

Santa Clara, CA

#8248 Aug 9, 2013
I wonder if the synthetic telepathy lab is working on any projects that can get a person a paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis. Just saying. They've received more than 6 million dollars worth of grants to do something for the army. Looks like a lot of guys in their 20s with mighty big grins on their faces. Also has me a little worried because I've divulged a whole lot of information to some guy over the phone who happens to live in that area.

http://cnslab.ss.uci.edu/muri/
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8250 Aug 9, 2013
Really Hector, you're such a coward you keep deleting my posts. What a puss!
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8251 Aug 9, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. You're correct. Facing 105 years in prison.
The contribution that both Barrett Brown and Michael Hastings have given to investigative journalism is priceless. And, should be an example for others in the business. Unfortunately, they've both been "neutralized".
By the way, just love this e-mail thread. Really shows the tenacity of a true journalist.(Even though the texts devolved into personal insults) lol
__________
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Reines, Philippe I wrote:
&#8232;Why do you bother to ask questions you’ve already decided you know the answers to?
__________
From: Michael Hastings
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:50 PM&#8232;
To: Reines, Philippe I &#8232;Cc: Nuland, Victoria J
&#8232;Subject: Re: Request for comment &#8232;&#8232;
Why don’t you give answers that aren’t bullshit for a change?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/hill...
__________
http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/stran...
****Much, if not all, of this information has been taken from the website:
FightGangStalking.com .
Michael Hastings was funny.
Thanks for the links on Barrett brown. I read some and watched a video from a chat room he was on right when the FBI arrested him.
I'm getting really sick listening to the news. The anchor on the PBS show guffawed about the silliness of the NSA scandal saying that no abuses of surveillance have been used in the u.s. how does he know?
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8252 Aug 9, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
I wonder if the synthetic telepathy lab is working on any projects that can get a person a paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis. Just saying. They've received more than 6 million dollars worth of grants to do something for the army. Looks like a lot of guys in their 20s with mighty big grins on their faces. Also has me a little worried because I've divulged a whole lot of information to some guy over the phone who happens to live in that area.
http://cnslab.ss.uci.edu/muri/
Maybe not. Looks like they were into something else although who can tell?

http://www.defense.gov/news/d20100716MURI.pdf
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8257 Aug 10, 2013
Where's posts 8241, 8243, 8245, 8249, 8253 and 8254? This is the number of times this cowardly cyberstalking informant (who should have been long ago kicked off this forum) has somehow had the ability (which no one else has) to delete and sanitize posts; and my once again post 8256 is requesting an explanation and inquiry into their obvious illicit behaviors!
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8258 Aug 10, 2013
Why all the illicit activity trying to cover up, all the illicit activity Hector, what are you afraid of?

What are you trying to hide, Hector?

The only one's I've encountered who engage in unlimited illegal activities and unlimited covering up of their illegal activities have been corrupt cops; corrupt enforcement engaged in abuse and misconduct, operating outside and above the law!

Is this you Hector? Is that why you've felt it owed to yourself to abuse and violate everyone on this forum Hector?

I think the entire forum would more than want to know, just what kind of a cowardly, cyber stalking informant they've been dealing with all this time, Hector? Why don't you enlighten us, again with all of your corrupt, twisted "wis-dumb"!
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8259 Aug 10, 2013
Why all the illegitimate attempts at constantly trying to get a legitimate posting deleted, Hector?

What don't you want the forum to know, Hector?
SPIH

France

#8261 Aug 10, 2013
WAR ON WHISTLEBLOWERS: FREE PRESS AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE

Director Robert Greenwald's latest film, War On Whistleblowers: Free Press and the National Security State, focuses on four whistleblowers who had their lives permanently altered – some almost destroyed – after they went to the press to expose government corruption and illegality. Greenwald also interviews investigative journalists and government oversight experts, all of whom paint a picture of a national security state run amok that makes their work nearly impossible.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/war...

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