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FightGangStalkin g

Calabasas, CA

#8191 Aug 6, 2013
A follow-up comment in that thread in another forum:
Eleanor White wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would I try to "explain away" the claims of the late Ted Gunderson?.........Tailor what you say and write to the listener's awareness level and learning curve.....Eleanor White
TIs shouldn't waste their time trying to explain organized stalking to people who are not mentally sophisticated enough to understand the nature of counterintelligence operations. It is what it is. Not everyone will be able to grasp it. In fact, that's why organized stalking works - and why disinformation works - namely, because many people are stupid and are therefore easily manipulated.

Instead of dumbing-down the explanation of organized stalking, the case should be made with the exact same types of logic and explanation and evidence that grown-ups use with other complicated and/or counter-intuitive subjects.

That involves an emphasis on credible sources - like published articles in newspapers and magazines as well as government reports and legitimate published books.

TIs who want to end the stalking should try to steer people to FightGangStalking.com so they can see all such evidence presented in a clear logical sequence.

If someone is too stupid to handle the "learning curve" at that website, such a person is not going to be able to help spread the information anyway.
traveler

Santa Cruz, CA

#8192 Aug 6, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
Are there now or have there ever been any organized 'gangs' stalking people; targeting individuals?
Who are these gangs, and what is their purpose?
Please attribute your source of: any official record, publication or broadcast, name of any official in government or business, any organization or corporation, any witness, any record of accident or other event published, and any published account of any person involved with or affected by this!
Let's read what you have to say!
There is nothing to say. There are plenty of resources on the net describing and proving what we have been posting here and on other websites for years. We are not your search engine and NOT providing you with proof does not mean that gangstalking does not exist. You need to look up the links and resources yourself. We did not come here to be debunked by a perp. So maybe YOU should stop posting bs here and start reading the links posted and do some searching of your own.
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#8193 Aug 6, 2013
It's truckers. There was a guy, shareef allman who was getting pushed out of his job by his coworkers and one day he came into work and shot some. I'm not condoning what allman did. At the time I noticed from the pictures of the victims that they looked like the same klan that started my gang stalking. This would be a fun extracurricular activity for such psychopaths.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8194 Aug 6, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
It's truckers. There was a guy, shareef allman who was getting pushed out of his job by his coworkers and one day he came into work and shot some. I'm not condoning what allman did. At the time I noticed from the pictures of the victims that they looked like the same klan that started my gang stalking. This would be a fun extracurricular activity for such psychopaths.
This happens in any job once you get targeted.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#8195 Aug 6, 2013
Reality Check

by John W. Hoopes, Ph.D.

"Apophenia results from the evolution of human cognition: The ability to spot and recognize patterns-patterns that represent things to eat, things to avoid, or things with which to try and reproduce-is an adaptation with positive feedback for survival. Birds do it, bees do it, even uneducated fleas do it. Plants do it. Even one-celled microorganisms do it. In fact, pattern recognition is the way viruses work and the ability to "do" it extends to inorganic compounds and atoms. Computers can be trained to do it. Pattern recognition is what a computer does the moment you login with a userid. Higher tech versions include digitally processed recognition of speech, faces, and even such individual and intimate traits as patterns in irises and fingerprints. However, apophenia is not just recognizing patterns. It's interpreting patterns in meaningless data as if it were meaningful.

For our hominid ancestors, pattern recognition was essential for recognizing both food and predators. Is that waving savannah grass the wind or a leopard? Is that serpentine thing on the path a root or a snake? Recognizing patterns meant the difference between life and death, but it was also a liability. Have you ever jumped when you thought the scratching on your neck was a spider when it was actually a leaf? Did your heart ever race thinking that the knocking a radiator was a rapist or a ghost? Erroneous pattern recognition can scare the bejeezus out of you. Edgar Allen Poe knew that, and wrote about it in "The Tell-Tale Heart." What was that sound, anyway? There are good reasons to take risks in mistakenly interpreting meaningless patterns. Could that lump be cancerous? Is that funny-shaped mole melanoma? Better safe than sorry. However, too many errors can create hypochondriacs. Misdiagnoses can also be dangerous. Life is full of risks and we can't avoid them all, nor should we.

Although all living things recognize patterns, humans may be the only ones to assign symbolic meaning-sometimes deeply nuanced or with powerful emotional content-to those patterns. Anthropologist Leslie White suggested that the tendency to create symbols is actually what makes us human. Religious symbols, intentional or not, are recognized in crosses, stars, or even lighted glories that appear around a spectacular sunset. Omens are symbols, as are patterns in the entrails of birds, tea leaves, crystal balls, birth charts, Tarot cards, and I Ching hexagrams. All of these evoke connections, sometimes pulling them from the hazy subconscious or even deep recesses of unconscious memory. Music and especially smells do this. It's what makes us feel nostalgia. However, when those connections are spurious and erroneous, that's apophenia.

Apophenia is a normal human experience. It's not usually pathological but can become so in schizophrenia, when pattern recognition and interpretation run wild. A famous example is that of the brilliant MIT physicist John Nash, featured in the film "A Beautiful Mind," whose preoccupation with "meaningful" patterns became disabling. When the noises in the air conditioner are interpreted as voices telling you to do bad things, it's time seek some help."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reality-c...
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8196 Aug 6, 2013
Does anyone actually read the crap the douche bag above post?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8197 Aug 6, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
Does anyone actually read the crap the douche bag above post?
No.
Honest

Manassas, VA

#8198 Aug 6, 2013
ptw wrote:
OS/GS is neighborhood watch / informant criminals / thugs, Police / Sheriff, entity / agency, Institutional / Organizational felony corruption, privacy / civil rights / liberties based violations, GPS tracking / stalking / defamation, crimes, obstruction of justice, investigative tampering!
...AND NOT...
OS/EH perp chemtrails, DEW, V2K, nano-tech disease, through wall / millimeter radar / short wave / microwave / radio / satellite / heat beam waves, HAARP, Freemasonry, secret society, silicone chip implants, laser weapons, high energy / low frequency auditory mind control / rape !
Agree.....or.......Disagree (you judge)!
"Gangstalking Los Angeles" and of course, elsewhere can involve some very advanced technology, especially if, say, there is a battle between two espionage companies, and you get caught up in the middle of it. It really depends on the reason why you're being gangstalked, who is stalking you, how dangerously intelligent they think you are, and how much money they like to waste. High profile people can be subject to experimental technology. They may use advanced technology to make you look nutto since the vast majority of the population does not know about it. They will obviously try to make you look nutto if you've gotten them in trouble for anything, or if they're on the brink for getting into trouble for something. It's all a game and you have to outsmart them.

It can be any of the above, except for chemtrails, that sort of thing.
Honest

Manassas, VA

#8199 Aug 6, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
Does anyone actually read the crap the douche bag above post?
He's probably being paid to pass off pills by the Fraud and Death Administration.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8200 Aug 6, 2013
Honest wrote:
<quoted text>
"Gangstalking Los Angeles" and of course, elsewhere can involve some very advanced technology, especially if, say, there is a battle between two espionage companies, and you get caught up in the middle of it. It really depends on the reason why you're being gangstalked, who is stalking you, how dangerously intelligent they think you are, and how much money they like to waste. High profile people can be subject to experimental technology. They may use advanced technology to make you look nutto since the vast majority of the population does not know about it. They will obviously try to make you look nutto if you've gotten them in trouble for anything, or if they're on the brink for getting into trouble for something. It's all a game and you have to outsmart them.
It can be any of the above, except for chemtrails, that sort of thing.
That's one for "hyperbole," (no offense intended; review posts on these forums from beginning to end),

and one for "reality," (every day, normal facts and resources).
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8201 Aug 6, 2013
By "hyperbole", I'm referring to the following taken directly from forum posts!(Part I)

2007
dec.........Electromagnetic weaponry harassment.
2008
feb..........Military grade, silent, through the wall direct energy weapons.
Biological warefare.
Electronic harasssment.
may.......Laser based electronic harassment.
Electromagnetically harassed with voice to skull technology.
Microwaving.
Weird radio equipment, short wave radios, EMH, V2S, microwave equipment.
Brainwave machine.
Radio-conductive crystals.
Elecgtromagnetic radio equipment made with microwave ovens.
jun........Mind control
Reading your thoughts from outer space from satellites V2K.
jul.........Machine that simulates voices and transmits it.
Gov't mind control, covert experimentation.
Turned body into big antennae that picks up perps weird radio transmissions.
Talk through your skull with electronic short wave direct energy device.
Pushing radio waves through your skull.
Crowns and fillings demodulating powerful RF energy to audio.
Hearing voices.
aug........Illegal short-wave or microwave pirate radio network, poisoned victim and turned body into an "antennae."
sept..........Hear better with electric fan because signals that carry V2K voices to victim are amplified by electromagnetic energy, and small appliances draw an electric current when running will amplify the V2K signal they use, the higher speed on electric fan, the louder the V2K gets.
Electronic voice to skull transmissions are being triangulated or sent to victim from hijacked cell phone towers.
Oct........Implants, had teeth pulled and strange anomally popped up on x-ray, a foreign object either deeply embedded in nasal cavity or deep inside inner ear.
Implants, bought on line and installed by surgeons.
Chemicals used to turn body into an antenna, most likely lead, arsenic or similar radio conductive chemical compound.
Once victim had been activated, they (perps) used invisible technology and came into bedroom to abuse victim, then started using V2K, 24/7 abusing interrogation-style, then started using a mind-reading device.
Victim of V2K invisibility tech and mind-reading devices.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8202 Aug 6, 2013
"Hyperbole" posted on forums (Part II)
2008, Oct.
V2K by high tech short wave or microwave pirate ham network, using power lines and cell phone towers to carry ghost transmissions of them.
V2K causes sore muscles, aching joints, severe eyestrain, blood coming from inner ears and lots of dead skin, constant hissing, crackling and clicking that never stops.
Implanted with a receiver or transcever device, radio signal is being fed from communications satellite, low frequency and penetrates wall and floors, microwave energy that results from signal, is audible, but only to victim.
When victim goes on an airplane, the minute it takes off, V2K stops, and lost V2K driving over mountains, meaning V2K is land based.
Invisibility technology employs electronmagnetic field with human being shaped energy invisibility forms/perps.
Nov........Victim has altered microwave (by covert war microwave stalkers) in possession, and already received an offer of $65,000.
Vehicles with Masonic symbols driving around.
Dec........Voice to skull accomplished with sophisticated Ham radio, equipment and microwave ultra sound frequencies transmitted into the sky.
Victim picks up transmissions and had been poisoned with radio-conductive substances- possibly toxic sludge from a silicone chip company or chemical waste from illegal clandestine drug lab.
KKK and freemasons using White Glove treatment to harass victims.
Secret societies such as masons or catholic church play a big role in experimentation for a new world order by mind control for ethnic/religious cleansing.
In order to give satellites mind reading capability, some type of EEG like device on satellites linked with computer with a data bank of brain mapping research also used to alter behavior by subliminal audio broadcasting after converting sound into electrical impulses transmitting radio waves into the skin, that proceed to brain, bypassing ears causing brain to recognize neurological patterns as if audible communications.
Using satellites projecting beams of energy and radio transmissions at victim from outer space.
Witchcraft, KKK, Masons.
Microscopic implants
2009
Jan........Microwave ray gun beaming sounds into people's heads, exploits the microwave audio effect by short microwave pulses rapidly heating tissue causing shockwave inside the skull detected by the ears. a series of pulses transmitted to produce recognizable sounds loud enough to cause discomfort and incapacitation flipping from a narrow beam to broad beam aimed at multiple targets simultaneously.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8203 Aug 6, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
I've found that to be the best approach.
You notice he started this "Forum" on a site you cant place people on ignore?
How convenient......
FightGangStalkin g

Calabasas, CA

#8204 Aug 6, 2013
Continuation of that thread on another forum...
Eleanor White wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree with that. Most people have never had a need to understand the nature of counterintelligence operations. It's not fair to hold that against them......
Most victims of gang stalking - unlike federal agencies - have limited resources, so I'm not sure how much time they have to spend hanging out at the local mall parking lot with flyers like religious and political groups do, trying to educate the world one person at a time.

Also, if a TI did that, he or she would inevitably get mobbed by perps sent to harass them.

Also, people are likely to be suspicious of anyone handing out flyers since most such people are trying to sell something.

Also, I'm not sure how much would be gained even if you persuaded some random person at the local mall to consider your information - unless that person was a journalist or someone like that who could help expose what's going on.

By the way, there is already a flyer on FightGangStalking.com which victims can download and then email or print and then mail.

The best approach would be to mail a whole bunch of those flyers to everyone in the neighborhood (and everyone in and around your workplace if you're being mobbed there) and let the recipients read them and react as they will.

A few people will respond by asking inconvenient questions of local police and others who know what's going on. At a minimum police will be forced to lie about the whole matter and pretend they don't know what it is.

They can try to persuade people that the flyers are from someone who is crazy, but that could make people worry about a crazy person in the area. Plus, if people visit the websites on the flyer, they will see that the information doesn't seem crazy when they read it, so some will suspect the police are lying.

That's especially true these days since the government gets caught lying all the time now - for example, the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper was recently caught lying to Congress about the NSA spying on Americans.

Also, as I mentioned before, just this week there were reports in the news about the DEA instructing agents to lie about investigation sources, and there was a news report about the FBI authorizing criminals to commit crimes.

Mailing a bunch of flyers will at least send a message to the local perp crew that harassing that particular TI will result in public exposure of what they're doing.

Better to shine a light on the cockroaches in a big way than trying to explain counterintelligence to one person at a time.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8205 Aug 6, 2013
WORK FOR PEACE (Music)

"The Military and Monetary
They Get Together When They Think It's Necessary;
They Have Turned Our Brothers and Sisters into Mercenaries;
They Are Turning The Planet Into a Cemetery"

____Gil Scott-Heron



***"Each One, Reach One, Teach One"........
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8206 Aug 7, 2013
Once again, Agree.....or.... Disagree (you judge it)!

OS/GS is (an industry's abhorent human behavior resulting from self-justifying, self-serving / self-regulating excesses, abuses and misconduct [service, position, authority, resources, laws]) Police / Sheriff / civil servant, neighborhood watch / informant criminals / thugs; entity / agency, Institutional / Organizational felony corruption; privacy / civil rights / liberties based violations; GPS tracking / stalking / defamation, crimes; fraud, deception, manipulation; obstruction of justice, investigative tampering!

...AND NOT...

OS/EH perpetuated perp chemtrails, dew, v2k, nano-tech disease, through wall / millimeter radar / short wave / microwave / radio transmissions / antenna / satellite / heat beam waves, HAARP, Freemasonry's numerology silent dagger secret society, ethnic cleansing, remote neuro-monitoring, silicone chip implants, sonic / laser weapons, high energy / low frequency auditory mind control / rape, etc.!

(You can't have it both ways and float back and fourth like the wind; they are completely incompatible)!
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8207 Aug 7, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
The question is what do you do with the information? Now you know how the game is played........
The "hyperbole" is just one aspect of how this game is being played, and it needs to be addressed definitively!

Enough with the arrogance and insecurities spreading stupid, stupid fraud!

Putting this crap together on a single post, clearly identifies just how ridiculous it is!
ptw

Homestead, FL

#8208 Aug 7, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah I have my doubts about EW as well and have made the same comments. She claims to be a thirty year victim and yet she has accomplished nothing with her tactics.
She use to post here and made many comments about not sounding crazy. Yet on the other Topics board she said she thought that the stalkers had somehow tapped into a third dimension. Sounds pretty loony to me.
Whatever the case her tactics dont work.....
Why does anyone arrogantly and defiantly engage in relentless, self-defeating hyperbole??

I'd like to know the answer!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8209 Aug 7, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:

<quoted text>
"Yeah I have my doubts about **EW** as well and have made the same comments. She claims to be a thirty year victim and yet she has accomplished nothing with her tactics.
She use to post here and made many comments about not sounding crazy. Yet on the other Topics board she said she thought that the stalkers had somehow tapped into a third dimension. Sounds pretty loony to me.
WHATEVER THE CASE HER TACTICS DON'T WORK......."

ptw responded:

Why does anyone arrogantly and defiantly engage in relentless, self-defeating hyperbole??

I'd like to know the answer!

Relentless, yes.
Self-defeating....not so sure. ;)
in the know

Kunming, China

#8210 Aug 7, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
Hey "in the know" apparently you're not.
If you've paid any attention to this thread over the years,you would notice that the years I've been a target have increased over that time. So what exactly does that mean in your fevered mind? Do 12 or 13 have any special meaning as well?
Get a grip...you sound a little loony,and that doesn't do any of us any good.
LOL, this is awesome. A pure Freemason reply. You see they mention loony (Mental health their prime weapon of use in Gang Stalking) and do not address or argue any point. LOL, he's defiantly a pyramid head. Anyway, anyone with a decent IQ can see these fools and yeah i agree Freemasons are mentally ill with their numerology. Guys, look it up online and do research for yourselves. You will see these nut jobs really do believe in this stuff. This guy is totally limited and has no logical argument at all. Anyway, I love it when these fools give great examples of their rubbish counter intelligence. Anyway, Yes, Freemasonry is behind this 100% and you remove them, you remove Gang Stalking. Simple.

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