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#8114 Jul 30, 2013
DANIEL ELLSBERG, FAMED WHISTLEBLOWER OF THE PENTAGON PAPERS:

****A FINAL WORD FOR THOSE INSIDE THE SYSTEM TO STEP FORWARD****

AMY GOODMAN: Dan Ellsberg, why don’t you pick it up from there, and that is how what you did then relates to today. In the last few years, you have been calling for people, who like you 35 years ago were inside the system, to step outside and to release an equivalent of the Pentagon Papers. Do you think they exist—the papers and these people who could step forward?

DANIEL ELLSBERG: Well, of course, the papers exist. The Pentagon Papers, the equivalent of them, exist in safes in Washington, all over Washington, not only in the Pentagon, but in the CIA and the State Department and elsewhere. Are there people who realize what the meaning of those—the full meaning of those papers in their safes? Yes. We know from many leaks and memoirs that have come out that there were people in the White House and the CIA and the Pentagon who realized that we were being lied into war. They realized that as early as 2001.

So my message, Amy, over the last two years has been to officials in that position, of whom there are hundreds, not only in 2001 and 2002, hundreds right now who could prevent a war with Iran that is on the tracks right now, that they know, and that they know would be disastrous. They could put that out with the authority of their position, but especially of documents, at the risk—the certainty—of losing their clearances, which would almost certainly—which would mean losing their career with the executive branch, possibly, very likely, subjecting them to prosecution, possibly to conviction, possibly to prison. And by taking that risk, they would have a high chance of averting a catastrophe that would lead to the deaths of tens, hundreds of thousands of people and disastrously reduce our security. They know that. So by taking their own personal risk, like the 5,000 people who went to prison as draft resisters in Vietnam, and by the people here who took risks with their institution and their privacy, by taking that risk they could avert this.

SO MY MESSAGE IS TO THEM:

Don’t do what I did. Don’t wait 'til the war has started. Don't wait 'til the bombs have fallen against Iran, or earlier Iraq. Don't wait ’til the engine of this war is unstoppable. Before the war, take the risk. REVEAL WHAT YOU KNOW TO BE THE TRUTH. Reveal the truth under the lies of your own bosses and your superiors. OBEY YOUR OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION, which every one of those officials took, not to the commander-in-chief, not to superior officers, but to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, which they know is being violated.

AMY GOODMAN: Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, Unitarian leader Robert West, and Democratic presidential candidate Mike Gravel.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/4/how_the_...

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#8115 Jul 30, 2013
LAWMAKERS WHO UPHELD NSA SPYING RECEIVED DOUBLE THE DEFENSE INDUSTRY MONEY

That’s the upshot of a new analysis by MapLight, a Berkeley-based non-profit that performed the inquiry at WIRED’s request. The investigation shows that defense cash was a better predictor of a member’s vote on the Amash amendment than party affiliation. House members who voted to continue the massive phone-call-metadata spy program, on average, raked in 122 percent more money from defense contractors than those who voted to dismantle it.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/mone...

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#8117 Jul 30, 2013
ARMY DEPLOYS ILLEGAL "PSY-OPS" ON U.S. SENATORS
____by Michael Hastings

The U.S. Army illegally ordered a team of soldiers specializing in "psychological operations" to manipulate visiting American senators into providing more troops and funding for the war, Rolling Stone has learned – and when an officer tried to stop the operation, he was railroaded by military investigators.

The orders came from the command of Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, a three-star general in charge of training Afghan troops – the linchpin of U.S. strategy in the war. Over a four-month period last year, a military cell devoted to what is known as "information operations" at Camp Eggers in Kabul was repeatedly pressured to target visiting senators and other VIPs who met with Caldwell. When the unit resisted the order, arguing that it violated U.S. laws prohibiting the use of propaganda against American citizens, it was subjected to a campaign of retaliation.

"My job in psy-ops is to play with people’s heads, to get the enemy to behave the way we want them to behave," says Lt. Colonel Michael Holmes, the leader of the IO unit, who received an official reprimand after bucking orders. "I’m prohibited from doing that to our own people. When you ask me to try to use these skills on senators and congressman, you’re crossing a line."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/ano...

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#8118 Jul 30, 2013
LAWSUIT LAUNCHED AGAINST DOJ FOR FBI RECORDS ON MICHAEL HASTINGS

On July 24, Forbes revealed that computer security researcher team Chris Miller and Chris Valasek could wirelessly manipulate a moving automobile with a laptop.

Miller and Valasek’s work served to bolster speculation that Hastings’s vehicle was hijacked via a cyber attack, resulting in his tragic death on June 18.

Hastings rose to prominence for his expose in Rolling Stone magazine on now-retired U.S. Army General Stanley McChrystal that ultimately lead to the general’s resignation.

Hastings also exposed an illegal U.S. Army psychological operation directed against U.S. senators visiting Afghanistan. The operation was intended to influence the legislators to appropriate more funding to the war effort.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/29/lawsuit-lau...

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#8119 Jul 30, 2013
Conspiracy Theorists

"If you’ve ever met a paranoid schizophrenic, what stands out most about them is how sickly rational they are. They can tell you exactly why they believe someone is poisoning their food, listening to their phone calls, following them around, trying to have them sterilized, recruiting them into the CIA, or whatever they believe. They can give you times and dates, lists of names, locations, every detail you could ever imagine. They can and do provide contradictory evidence to everything you suggest that might refute their beliefs.

The problem with their story is not lack of detail and information. It is that their thought processes are in the service of their delusions. They interpret everything as evidence that they are uncovering something dark and sinister. If you disagree or give counter-evidence, they will merely assume you are part of the conspiracy, or that you are the one deluded, and summarily dismiss you. They are indefatigable in their assertions and beliefs. It just so happens that what they believe is happening, what they can actually prove is happening, is in fact not happening.

People with schizophrenia often have what we call delusions of “reference.” Delusions or ideas of reference are when one assumes ordinary events in the world are related directly to one’s self and one’s destiny. Such as, for example,“Sandy Hook was a government conspiracy with the ultimate aim of taking away my guns.” I am certainly not claiming that conspiracy theorists are paranoid schizophrenics. I am saying that there is less difference between them and schizophrenics than most Americans, or they themselves, realize. Many conspiracy theorists are pretty bright people. Then again, many paranoid schizophrenics are bright people as well. Both conspiracy theorists and schizophrenics are people whose thought processes are in the service of their delusions."


http://davidkflowers.com/2013/01/conspiracy-t...

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#8121 Jul 30, 2013
Again, with the double-speak.

Vomiting out the same old party line......

Patriotism! Conspiracy Theory! Delusion!

Seven: The Great Master (De)Bater.

Need anything more be said?

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#8122 Jul 30, 2013
RunGSersRun wrote:

"When you look at them half are trashy pieces of crap....."

ie.: Piece Of Shit.
Mri486

San Francisco, CA

#8123 Jul 30, 2013
I found some really scary information this week. People will do pretty much anything to be able to afford to live in california.
Mri486

San Francisco, CA

#8124 Jul 30, 2013
Bradley Manning trial has been completely suppressed in the news in the u.s. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/29/... . The decision is expected today.
Heavy

Manassas, VA

#8126 Jul 31, 2013
Mri486 wrote:
I found some really scary information this week. People will do pretty much anything to be able to afford to live in california.
What do they do? Who's telling you to post here? If you know enough to post here, you shouldn't be surprised what people do to other people by now...
in the know

Kunming, China

#8127 Aug 1, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously?
I've been a victim of this crap for around 14 years,and I've seen it all.
Why on earth would they tell you who they are?
You can count on most everything being a lie. Almost without exception all my encounters with fake friends/stalkers have claimed to be ex military. And or masons. The ones that come in contact with you in a minor way always say they are from out of town.
When you look at them half are trashy pieces of crap that you know wouldnt be accepted into the military.
While I'm not saying there are no masons who participate. I find it highly unlikely they would tell you they were masons.
Why would they paint a target on their backs?
Funny enough this guy above is Freemasonry counter intelligence. They identify themselves using numerology. The fact he has said he has been a target for 14 year most likely shows he is counter intelligence. In freemasonry they like to use the number 5 in numerology, basically all numbers are simplified into single digit. So 14 = 1+4 = 5. This is how Freemasonry identify themselves. Just for example 23 = 2+3 = 5. This works with all numbers so 11111= 1+1+1+1+1 =5. This for example with 77 = 7+7 =14 =1+4 =5. So always simplified to 1 digit 1-9 only. Anyway, each Freemasonry counter intelligence will say something like, "I have been gang stalked and I have a 23 months old baby" Something like that to factor is thier numerology 5. They can say nearly anything their age, child's age, length of time etc. This is how to spot them instantly. No one when they describe this and their problems have to mention how long or the age of their kids or themselves. So just a good tip to spot the counter intelligence. Also those talking about crazy things, such as lizard men, implants, gray aliens, mind matrix etc. It's all bull and counter intelligence of Freemasonry. You will see they are mostly Freemasons or sub-groups such as Jehovah Witness, Scientology, Morons etc. They organise in their local lodges to do this. If you think, "what's this about" Look up what Scientology did to members who left their group, it's called 'Fair Game'(very similar to Gang Stalking. Look up what happens to members of Jehovah who leave the group, Look up Freemasonry and "the Silent Dagger" or "White glove treatment". They basically did Gang stalking to their enemies and members who wanted to leave or not do what they are told. Now Freemasonry (The Pyramid with the Eye at the top) is seeking to have a NWO (New world Order) but they are failing terribly. So now you know who. What can you do? Very simple, talk and try to group together online. They monitor mostly everything from around you. They use technology to observe you from afar and do many things to so called "make you think you are going crazy" Are you,LOL ofcourse not.This is the NWO way to try to remove dissidents (Hero's, intelligent people and strong willed). They want obedient slaves for their NWO and as Freemasonry has shown, they like peadophiles as they are easy to control. Thus Jimmy Savile (peadophile), claimed Ted Heath, Ken Clarke etc. Why? Simple "Do what you are told and we will supply you with children to rape". Freemasonry promotes this massively and i'd recommend that you look up "The HOllie Greig' case of Freemasonry molesting a down syndrome girl her father and 12 friends, all Masons. Her mother found out and she went to the police. They used the first weapon of Freemasonry the Mental health approach. Freemasonry has many members in the mental health industry, police force, judiciary and government,local and central. So,the mother was committed into a mental hospital, drugged and threatened that she should shut up and be quiet, as she imagined it. Well the mother played along and got set free and went straight to a psychiatrist who gave her a clean sane bill of health. She then went at them full guns blazing, the sick freaks effected the judiciary and had a "insufficient evidence".
in the know

Kunming, China

#8128 Aug 1, 2013
Also, if you are curious, buy some spy recorders. Record your house and other places you think they are such as work etc. You can buy them easily from ebay. Though they will most likely knowas they are working with their members in government and secret service. Thus the PRISM program a Pyramid with light through it the NSA's logo this is the Freemasonry logo. The pyramid with the light going through it symbolising the enlightened state these bafoons think they have obtained, when in reality it's just the greedy elite families controlling the fools of society who are weak and needy. Hence, gang stalkings objective is to remove the 1 in 20 who would rise up against them as they are intelligent, strong willed and determined. The main goal is to have the person institutionalised, so they are easy to control by the Freemasonry controlled state. It's a tactic used in the old soviet union. This however is Freemasonry, hence why there are loads of movies depicted with the all seeing eye or people covering 1 of their eyes, like our dear friend Lady Gaga. Anyway, look all around how many one eye's can you see in films and on symbols etc. There you go,Freemasonry eye of providence, the all seeing eye or for those in the know, Lucifers eye. I mean it's even on the 1 dollar bill, you don't need a more fantastic example of who is trying to control the USA and the world. But what is needed is very simple. The USA has the right to remove rogue governments, do it. Then after non-freemasons are put into place, you need to eradicate every Freemasonry image and member from organisations. The fraud that has been happening for many years can easily be rectified. All assets of Freemasons are frozen and seized by the government, including organisations, charities and companies. Once this is done they are quite simply TOAST in the USA. Then without the war engine the western world will follow suit.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8129 Aug 1, 2013
Hey "in the know" apparently you're not.

If you've paid any attention to this thread over the years,you would notice that the years I've been a target have increased over that time. So what exactly does that mean in your fevered mind? Do 12 or 13 have any special meaning as well?

Get a grip...you sound a little loony,and that doesn't do any of us any good.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#8130 Aug 1, 2013
OS/GS really is all about illegal privacy violations taking place behind the backs of all Americans. And it always has been!

Overwhelming Information being published in the news and specifically on recent site forums by victims from credible sources have provided an "eye opening" confirmation that this level of OS/GS corruption has deep seated entity/agency, enforcement roots (as of military abuse) and that it's been taking place for decades by corrupt civil servants.

And new recent exposure identifies NSA (FBI/DHS/DOJ) illegal and unwarranted capturing/tracking of everyone's online searches/history, phone metadata and social/chat history from your email addresses and unknowingly IP addresses (emails required by this site; IP provided automatically) from which to violate every aspect of your family's privacy!

And we now hear that illicitly accessed private information/data is all fed into these increasingly (so it appears) abusive and violating entities/agecies databases at the rate of 41 billion every month!

This is of course "the network", the "group" turning a blind eye to demented segments of local/area civil servants/neighborhood watch, acting as a "gang" (above/outside the law) violating, stalking, assaulting citizens for kicks !
ptw

Orlando, FL

#8131 Aug 1, 2013
Thankfully, disgusted Americans are awakening to being intentionally deceived and lied to about unconstitutional crimes/violations; still being exhibited by conscious self-serving efforts by these directors bent on protecting and covering up abusive access to your illegally and unwarrantedly (fraudulently) captured privacy data (it's called damage control)!

Why? Well for one, as real OS victims can attest, "privacy" is really used or abused toward engaging in organized scheming, maliciously orchestrated campaigns to assault and discredit Americans (documenting/reporting abuses/misconduct and corruption) for sadistic sport, retribution, perverse amusement and kicks !

OS/GS has always been about an organized scheming, criminally corrupt network of abusive civil servants illegally, unwarrantedly and maliciously violating your constitutional civil rights, liberties and privacy from which to engage in harm, destruction, falsifications, more fraud, assaults, crimes and violations! All real felonies, not the "pushed" EH bull crap!

Corruption it appears, is what these agencies/entities are good at due to a complete lack of "accountable, responsible, culpable, respectful and democratic" oversight !! And from this we get "their" abusive interpretation of secret law, TIPS, FBI assessment teams and DHS/FBI/NSA "supposed" foreign terrorist programs. Yet, as a victim, this corruption has every signature of cowardly criminal "abuse of power, domestic terrorism, and fascism" (a.k.a. OS)!

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#8133 Aug 1, 2013
Conspiracy Theories Explained

Random events are deeply meaningful to paranoid schizophrenics. Is something happening in their brains?

By Kat McGowan, published on November 01, 2004 - last reviewed on February 20, 2007

"Paranoid schizophrenics are prone to delusions, tales in which random events become deeply meaningful. Some believe in complex conspiracies; others think they are Jesus Christ.

These stories sound crazy, but they may be the brain's efforts to make sense of its own internal messages, suggests Shitij Kapur, professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto and vice president of research at the Canadian Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. In addition to other brain abnormalities, schizophrenics have too much dopamine. Just as addicts' desensitized dopamine systems make them feel that nothing matters, high levels of the neurotransmitter make schizophrenics believe that everything is significant.

Because the addict's dopamine-driven salience system keeps telling her that something very important is happening, ordinary events appear intensely meaningful. That police car? That song on the radio? That man with a cigarette walking by? They must be part of a massive international conspiracy.

Kapur calls it "biased inductive logic"—a top-down effort to explain the feeling that everything seems important. The cognitive parts of a schizophrenic's brain create the paranoid tale in an effort to explain the constant red alert blaring from the dopamine circuits, using any stimuli available. This is why delusions are culturally appropriate. African schizophrenics may fear they've fallen under the spell of a shaman, while Kapur's patients in Toronto think that the Mounties are after them.

Kapur cautions that this theory is still speculative, but it could support a radical idea: treating schizophrenia with cognitive therapy. If drugs control the overactive dopamine system, patients may then gradually unlearn their delusions."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/20050...

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#8134 Aug 1, 2013
NEW YORK WOMAN PAID VISIT BY JOINT TERRORIST TASK FORCE FOR COOKING LENTILS

"I felt a sense of creeping dread take over. What else had I looked up? What kind of searches did I do that alone seemed innocent enough but put together could make someone suspicious? Were they judging me because my house was a mess (Oh my god, the joint terrorism task force was in my house and there were dirty dishes in my sink!). Mostly I felt a great sense of anxiety. This is where we are at. Where you have no expectation of privacy. Where trying to learn how to cook some lentils could possibly land you on a watch list. Where you have to watch every little thing you do because someone else is watching every little thing you do."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/01/...

**You're an idiot, Seven.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#8136 Aug 1, 2013
Seven...self analysis, as described in its own words:
Hektor Seven wrote:
...deeply..paranoid...
schizophrenic....prone to delusions...
..crazy.....Mental..abnormalit ies
believe..her..very important...meaningful...polic e car..
feeling..parts of a schizophrenic's brain..
fear..fallen under the spell of..Mounties..
radical..overactive..delusions ..
Gosh, I couldn't agree more!
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8137 Aug 1, 2013
ptw wrote:
Seven...self analysis, as described in its own words:
<quoted text>
Gosh, I couldn't agree more!
Why suktor even bothers anymore is beyond me.
If brains equaled job performance his head would be empty.
Mru486

San Mateo, CA

#8138 Aug 1, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
Conspiracy Theories Explained
Random events are deeply meaningful to paranoid schizophrenics. Is something happening in their brains?
By Kat McGowan, published on November 01, 2004 - last reviewed on February 20, 2007
"Paranoid schizophrenics are prone to delusions, tales in which random events become deeply meaningful. Some believe in complex conspiracies; others think they are Jesus Christ.
These stories sound crazy, but they may be the brain's efforts to make sense of its own internal messages, suggests Shitij Kapur, professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto and vice president of research at the Canadian Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. In addition to other brain abnormalities, schizophrenics have too much dopamine. Just as addicts' desensitized dopamine systems make them feel that nothing matters, high levels of the neurotransmitter make schizophrenics believe that everything is significant.
Because the addict's dopamine-driven salience system keeps telling her that something very important is happening, ordinary events appear intensely meaningful. That police car? That song on the radio? That man with a cigarette walking by? They must be part of a massive international conspiracy.
Kapur calls it "biased inductive logic"—a top-down effort to explain the feeling that everything seems important. The cognitive parts of a schizophrenic's brain create the paranoid tale in an effort to explain the constant red alert blaring from the dopamine circuits, using any stimuli available. This is why delusions are culturally appropriate. African schizophrenics may fear they've fallen under the spell of a shaman, while Kapur's patients in Toronto think that the Mounties are after them.
Kapur cautions that this theory is still speculative, but it could support a radical idea: treating schizophrenia with cognitive therapy. If drugs control the overactive dopamine system, patients may then gradually unlearn their delusions."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/20050...
Interesting you quote an East Indian psychiatrist. I remember when my gang stalking started I was googling East Indian culture to try to understand the pathology. I was reading how Asians and East Indians are so sexist that they abort girl fetuses. I started googling different nationalities with the word "crazy" "women" and "nationality". White women, black women, Asian women brought up a gazillion results. But when I googled the nationalities that were stalking me at that point almost no results came up. Google is obviously censored by these people so they can come into the country without even applying. You're probably one of those nuts who sits in Starbucks all day with your back to the corner and you're hacking all the computers. What a freak.

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