Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
MichaelSF

Oakland, CA

#8040 Jul 20, 2013
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#8041 Jul 20, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
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I noticed that too. I think the law was written up to permit dragnets. Law enforcement was looking to find illegal immigrants to deport. At least that could have been one of the motives. They probably made up the gang stalking up.
I think the police thump there noses at anything Obama would come up with. It changed for me at first but the perps found lots of ways around it.

On another subject, Have you ever noticed a situation where people who stuck up for you against perps were threatened?

Since: Jul 13

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#8042 Jul 20, 2013
my experience came to my attn. headed by an md. being mentally ill of course I was at a loss as far as credibility. after 23 yrs learned I was used for $. reported crime assoc with terrorism as far back as 2003 and followed across state lines multiple times. not saying who was guilty as communications seemed to be from many but saw a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel recently when I was able to show photos to do with Nat'l security to authorities and back it up w a news source for empathicise. harassment continues...after all they have successfully exploited me for so long they've even branched out to my family. google gang stalking. document everything. police get tired of being bothered and have more pressing things to do. copy web addresses to the proper authoritys and phone #s too. I write emails to myself with info. cell phone your best friend, just learning to use camera on mine.
Reasoning

Melrose, MA

#8043 Jul 20, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
Persecutory delusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...
"Persecutory delusions are a delusional condition in which the affected person believes they are being persecuted. Specifically, they have been defined as containing two central elements:
1.The individual thinks that harm is occurring, or is going to occur.
2.The individual thinks that the perceived persecutor has the intention to cause harm.
According to the DSM-IV-TR, persecutory delusions are the most common form of delusions in schizophrenia, where the person believes "he or she is being tormented, followed, tricked, spied on, or ridiculed." In the DSM-IV-TR, persecutory delusions are the main feature of the persecutory type of delusional disorder. When the focus is to remedy some injustice by legal action, they are sometimes called "querulous paranoia".
In cases where reporters of stalking behavior have been judged to be making false reports, a majority of them were judged to be delusional.
If the delusion results in imprisonment or involuntary commitment, the person may feel justified in this belief."
Hello there perpetrator !! Nice diversion, misinformation, disruption, distraction=CoIntelPro.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8044 Jul 21, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
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Hello there perpetrator !! Nice diversion, misinformation, disruption, distraction=CoIntelPro.
Yeah..and he's not even good at it.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8047 Jul 21, 2013
xyz wrote:
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I think the police thump there noses at anything Obama would come up with. It changed for me at first but the perps found lots of ways around it.
On another subject, Have you ever noticed a situation where people who stuck up for you against perps were threatened?
This is the best "example" that I've found.
Mike German, FBI, interviewed at the end of this clip mentions the black-mail of neighbors by rooting through their garbage:

SCOTT CROW: "DOMESTIC TERRORIST"

"Common Ground" founder and activist finds out he's been investigated and followed by the FBI for 8 years. No history of violence; no charges.

Former FBI, Mike German on black-mail of neighbors; over-extension of law and out-right lying through FOIA requests.

Democracy Now!

Mru486

San Leandro, CA

#8049 Jul 21, 2013
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the police thump there noses at anything Obama would come up with. It changed for me at first but the perps found lots of ways around it.
On another subject, Have you ever noticed a situation where people who stuck up for you against perps were threatened?
In my case it has been interesting to see which police will go along with the gang stalking and which won't. One policeman seemed very angry with government. The ones who participate seem to really enjoy the torture.

Yes, I think I have been in a couple of situations in which someone stuck up for me. One situation was really extreme and the police were called. I don't know if the whole thing was theater or not just because it was so surreal. These are very rare rare.
Mru486

San Leandro, CA

#8050 Jul 21, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
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This is the best "example" that I've found.
Mike German, FBI, interviewed at the end of this clip mentions the black-mail of neighbors by rooting through their garbage:
SCOTT CROW: "DOMESTIC TERRORIST"
"Common Ground" founder and activist finds out he's been investigated and followed by the FBI for 8 years. No history of violence; no charges.
Former FBI, Mike German on black-mail of neighbors; over-extension of law and out-right lying through FOIA requests.
Democracy Now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mzhq4MXKf2cXX
I had no idea what was going on with All my papers getting stolen. So, I thought it was interesting that mike German talks about that. I found one of my designs on pinterest. I don't think it's a mistake since so many of my "followers" belong to a certain groups of people who also are my gang stalkers. They constantly rifle through everything and they smell really bad and steal as much as they can. It's like being sodomized by skunks.

i went into try to report theft in a storage unit I had after I moved my stuff out of it and found out really bad things about the local sheriffs. Office.

The common ground guy was probably framed by a drug dealer posing as a new ager. They are a dime a dozen in california and probably the FBI doesn't know what games go on because they are all east coast.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8051 Jul 21, 2013
Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.

John Lennon

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8052 Jul 21, 2013
First they ignore you,
then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win.

______Mahatma Gandhi
Mru486

Pleasanton, CA

#8053 Jul 21, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.
John Lennon
Yeah I'm very worried about this.
Mru486

Pleasanton, CA

#8054 Jul 21, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
First they ignore you,
then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
______Mahatma Gandhi
Either that or they explain to everyone that you are Ajax slaughtering the cattle and everyone believes them because of Occams rule.
Mru486

Pleasanton, CA

#8055 Jul 21, 2013
Have a book called "stalkers and their victims" by Mullen, pathe and Purcell which has an entire chapter on "stalking by proxy". This is as close as the authorities can get to gang stalking or organized stalking.

There is discussion about how groups of people can be used to stalk a person. Interesting that there is a real case where a rich person hired a private detective to stalk a person with a helicopter.

Sorry my typing is so bad.

Other groups are often tricked into participating. Even includes information about Internet and media. Some media is making fun of organized stalking by creating false shows about it. The writers warn that stalking victims will often falsely accuse people of helping their stalkers, such as telephone company employees. So, its always good to doubt ones paranoias. I heard an official FBI guy give an official way of knowing if you are being tailed but he may have been a jerk so I won't repeat what he said.

The next chapter is on "False victims of stalking" which is what I assume targets are called. shrinks and law enforcement have high rates of being stalked themselves and they are very educated about their own situation so they might even assume you are there to stalk them. Some guesses are that 2percent of all stalking cases are false victimization. That figure seems low because it seems that most stalking victims have traditionally been ignored.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#8056 Jul 22, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the best "example" that I've found.
Mike German, FBI, interviewed at the end of this clip mentions the black-mail of neighbors by rooting through their garbage:
SCOTT CROW: "DOMESTIC TERRORIST"
"Common Ground" founder and activist finds out he's been investigated and followed by the FBI for 8 years. No history of violence; no charges.
Former FBI, Mike German on black-mail of neighbors; over-extension of law and out-right lying through FOIA requests.
Democracy Now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mzhq4MXKf2cXX
And again, straight from the horses (FBI) mouth, victims learn that their own country's entities/agencies are responible and have taken center stage in the perpetuation of "organized" violations against the public (their sworn to protect) by engaging in cowardice, corruption, and crimes!

Once again another credible (FBI) entity/agency source identifying "organized" scheming atrocities as a result of "illegal, unwarranted" initiatives, activities, policies and procedures,(notice NO WHERE do these credible sources engage in woo-woo, hocus-pocus crazy talk)!!

Why is this subtle recognition important; because it speaks to that element of the public, who get caught up in purposefully perpetuated "crazy talk" !!(As also displayed by an unquestioning element of the public who [beyond reasoning] believed in "crop circles," for years; now also firmly admitted to being nothing but a "FRAUD, HOAX" by those actually creating them).

So too V2K, EH, through wall radar as of all other perpetuated "bullcrap" out there (by this same network of cowardly corrupt and criminal civil servant/surrogate informants/snitches/turncoats) , are in absolute truth nothing but a "FRAUD, HOAX" !!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#8057 Jul 23, 2013
If you have identified that you're a target of "organized assaults";

then you and your family have been victimized for years,

by nothing more than cowardly corrupt and criminal civil servants,

engage in nothing less than illegal, unwarranted privacy/civil rights/liberties and constitutional felony violations,

with "sole" intent to "screw" with your family/friends !!

This is how "ALL" law (less) enforcement (corrupt legal system) operates today !!
Sari

Sunnyvale, CA

#8058 Jul 23, 2013
ptw wrote:
If you have identified that you're a target of "organized assaults";
then you and your family have been victimized for years,
by nothing more than cowardly corrupt and criminal civil servants,
engage in nothing less than illegal, unwarranted privacy/civil rights/liberties and constitutional felony violations,
with "sole" intent to "screw" with your family/friends !!
This is how "ALL" law (less) enforcement (corrupt legal system) operates today !!
My stalkers are mostly illegal immigrants and their kids. It's true that they have most of the civil service jobs. The employees at my phone company are on some scary power trips. The illegal I migrants are all from corrupt countries.
in the know

Kunming, China

#8060 Jul 23, 2013
Do not ever forget FREEMASONRY is behind Gang Stalking with it's Freaky rich elite families at the top.

FREAKS!
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#8061 Jul 23, 2013
in the know wrote:
Do not ever forget FREEMASONRY is behind Gang Stalking with it's Freaky rich elite families at the top.
FREAKS!
There are several problems I have with the idea that freemasons are involved.
Number one is one of my stalkers claimed to be a high level mason and asked me to join. One of the biggest rules in free masonry is you NEVER ask someone to join.
Second is their vulnerability. It's not like the mason lodge location is a big secret.
I'm not saying for sure they aren't involved. But you need to take into account the penchant for the stalkers to tell you what you want to hear. Because it's wrong.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8062 Jul 23, 2013
WILL THE REAL TRAITORS PLEASE STAND UP?
___Behind The Mask Of Sanctimony

It is not clear to an ordinary person what Snowden has revealed that William Binney and other whistleblowers have not already revealed. Perhaps the difference is that Snowden has provided documents that prove it, thereby negating Washington’s ability to deny the facts with its usual lies.

Whatever the reason for Washington’s blather, it certainly is not doing the US government any good. Far more interesting than Snowden’s revelations is the decision by governments of other countries to protect a truth-teller from the Stasi in Washington.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/28/will-t...

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8063 Jul 23, 2013
WHY DEMOCRATS LOVE TO SPY ON AMERICANS

___by Michael Hastings

For most bigwig Democrats in Washington, D.C., the last 48 hours has delivered news of the worst kind — a flood of new information that has washed away any lingering doubts about where President Obama and his party stand on civil liberties, full stop.

Glenn Greenwald’s exposure of the NSA’s massive domestic spy program has revealed the entire caste of current Democratic leaders as a gang of civil liberty opportunists, whose true passion, it seems, was in trolling George W. Bush for eight years on matters of national security.

“Everyone should just calm down,” Senator Harry Reid said yesterday, inhaling slowly.

That’s right: don’t panic.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/why-democra...

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