Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7981 Jul 9, 2013
Lilith wrote:
Again, with the double-speak.
Vomiting out the same old party line......
Patriotism! Conspiracy Theory! Delusion!
Seven: The Great Master (De)Bater
part 1

And you've hit the nail on the head: False patriotism, extreme lying, cowardly corruption and frenzied paranoia !

I'll defer further to passages "in their own words" from the following book, that speaks for itself !

book: FBI Secrets: an agent's expos'e/ M. Wesley Swearingen

This book is (agent's) legacy to the freedom-loving people of the America who do not intend to forget what the FBI and the federal government did.......to suppress our freedoms guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.

Unfortunately, it seems the bureau has produced virtually nobody.....with the requisite conscience, courage, and personal integrity....fortitude and character necessary to admit, first to himself and then to the rest of us, not just the illegality but the intrinsic "wrongness" is what (they) did "in service to the (FBI) bureau......

......never once did I hear anybody including myself raise the questions: "Is this course of action which we have agreed upon lawful, is it moral and ethical?" (former FBI Assistant Director, Domestic Intelligence Division)!!

.....methods employed against (innocent others) have included every sort of tactic from discrediting targeted persons or groups by circulating defamatory rumors about them in their communities and/or planting false reports about them in the media, to causing.......individuals to be evicted from their homes and fired from their jobs by contacting their landlords and employers, to orchestrating the repeated arrests on spurious charges,.....to obtaining the conviction and consequent imprisonment.........by introducing fabricated evidence against them at trial, to provoking...group violence, to outright assassination of....leaders.

.....railroaded (individual) into a ongoing life term in prison by agents.......

Additional vignettes highlight the FBI's more-or-less continuous subversion of "objectionable" electoral condidates, the hyper-reactionary racial and sexual attitudes of the average agent, and much more.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7982 Jul 9, 2013
Lilith wrote:
Again, with the double-speak.
Vomiting out the same old party line......
Patriotism! Conspiracy Theory! Delusion!
Seven: The Great Master (De)Bater
Part 2

And you've hit the nail on the head: False patriotism, extreme lying, cowardly corruption and frenzied paranoia !

I'll defer further to passages "in their own words" from the following book, that speaks for itself !

book: FBI Secrets: an agent's expos'e/ M. Wesley Swearingen

The FBI also used street gangs during the late-60's and early-70's as surrogates with which to destroy (others)........The gangs with which the bureau aligned itself, and to which it appears to have extended some sort of criminal immunity as a "quid pro quo"..........largely went on to become primary drug distributors in the respective localities.....

Major field offices across the country had installed illegal bugs and wiretaps in homes

....learned the expertise of burglary....a former (FBI) director would instruct agents to violate extortion and kidnapping laws........FBI agents would plot.......and put innocent individuals in jail just because (of) skin (color)......

Because of the FBI's widespread dishonesty and corruption,.......(agent) lost the ability to distinquish between different levels of corruption..........agents being encouraged to cheat on their examinations......years of seeing a whole bureau cheat on Inspectors' examinations, concoct fictitious informants, manufacture phony informant reports, and create false statistics, even the most egregious levels of corruption--when top FBI officials lied to the courts, the Department of Justice, and to the U.S. Congress.....

(agent) did not call the attorney general of the United States or the judge who was trying the case when (agent) learned (targeted individual) was to be framed and imprisoned.

Many "critics" asked (agent) how (he) could consciously and willingly violate laws ....sworn to uphold......

False patriotism:
....young overzealous patriot, a real "Yankee Doodle Dandy" who loved his country.
I was a dangerous person to have in public service because when there appeared to be a threat to our government, I placed the other agents and self above the law.
We did what we thought was good for the country. "Our country, right or wrong."
"We are the only ones who know what is good for the country, and we are the only ones who can do anything about it."

....swift and seemingly random nature of firings created an (FBI) atmosphere of precariousness and paranoia

The fact is that the FBI was asking (agent) to violate the Constitution of the United States (break-ns against American citizens) in order to, paradoxically, protect the Constitution
Seennorheard

United States

#7983 Jul 9, 2013
Nice article explaining possible remote control murder as reason for reporter Michel Hastings car crash in Los Angeles.

http://www.sandiego6.com/story/details-of-rep...
justin shizzel

Portland, OR

#7985 Jul 10, 2013
I am a "ti ". I have captured a small portion of this activity on video. Here is part 1 on youtube__
http://m.youtube.com/watch...

The first video is so so. It depict there themed harassment useing pink, blue, and other stuff. You kinda just got to see it.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7986 Jul 10, 2013
Taking the words straight from the horse's mouth (FBI agent's book), victims can confirmingly realize what level of "dishonesty, mentality and personality disorders" site/forum cyber stalkers engage within their postings:

group/gang....
lack of conscience....
lack of courage.......
lack of personal integrity.......
lack of fortitude and character.....
illegality and intinsic wrongness....
above the law....
void of personal moral or ethical questioning....
discrediting....
defamatory.....
false and frabricated.....
provoking.....
railroading.....
subversive....
hyper-reactionary, racial and sexual attitudes....
extend criminal immunity....
illegal bugs, wiretaps.....
expertise of burglary....
violate extortion and kidnapping laws....
plot against innocent individuals....
frame and imprision innocent individuals....
widespread dishonesty and corruption.....
encouraged cheaters (liers) on (official forms/tests) examinations.....
concoct fictitious informants (information)....
manufacture phony reports.....
create false statistics (reports)....
egregious corruption/lying to Courts, Department of Justice and U.S. Congress, U.S. Attorney General and(attorneys), Judges....
consciously and willingly violate laws, sworn to uphold....
overzealous and dangerous person to have in public service....
right or wrong.....
precariousness and paranoia....
suppress our freedoms guaranteed under the Bill of Rights...
Violate the Constitution of the United States.....

Now victims are on a level playing field, knowing any "conversation," with any resident cyber stalker is skewed to personality and character flaws, mentality disorders, illegalities and professional paranoia !!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7987 Jul 10, 2013
Together, this should open up a whole new area of discussion surrounding corruption. Like I've said, OS/GS has nothing to do with victims, you're not the ones that are paranoid !!(premeditated and fabricated assaults are not paranoia)

It does have everything to do with cowardly corrupt, unethical, illegal, unconstitutional and immoral violations of citizens by these professional criminal civil servant's own paranoia (felony crimes, violations, assaults)!!

This is the correct long term discussion !!
FormerLAer

Chicago, IL

#7988 Jul 10, 2013
How come the FBI didn't like Ernest Hemingway?
Seennorheard

Sunnyvale, CA

#7989 Jul 11, 2013
FormerLAer wrote:
How come the FBI didn't like Ernest Hemingway?
Maybe they found his fingerprints on J. Edgar Hoover's underpants.

We should send in a foi request.
Seennorheard

Sunnyvale, CA

#7990 Jul 11, 2013
Bought a book on stalking which has a whole chapter on Stalking by Proxy. They list all the different types of perps, but conveniently leave out police. How do the police keep managing to get away with this?

The authors say that most of the perps are unwittingly manipulated by the stalker and do things like give out the victims address. There are some really crazy stalking stories. Stalkers become private detectives just so they can stalk their victims.

Then there's a whole chapter on false stalking syndrome. Anyone reading this forum is going to think that there are a lot of perps and a couple of false stalking syndrome people. And that's all they will see.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7991 Jul 11, 2013
See we have alittle site sanitizing going on by this corrupt cyber stalker.

Post above #7986 refers to FBI agent's book, reference on post #7972, and again on post #'s 7981 and 7982 (the last two, originally on this same page, now on the previous page due to continued site sanitizing!! Interesting!!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7992 Jul 11, 2013
In reference to post sanitizing, I'm going with:

"widespread dishonesty and corruption" and
"precariousness and paranoia"

behind this cyber stalker's current display of exhibited disorders!!
Seennorheard

Santa Clara, CA

#7993 Jul 11, 2013
Article. About no touch torture by Cheryl welsh.

http://mindjustice.org/wisdom.htm
Seennorheard

San Mateo, CA

#7994 Jul 11, 2013
A bunch of accidents just waiting to happen in the organized stalking world.

Look what a 2 year community college degree and $175 license. You an then be authorizedtobreakand enter anyone's house you want.

Alarm company employees and owners
Locksmiths
Private investigators
Private patrol officers
Baton training employees Nd owners
Firearm permit trainers
Repossesses
Security guards
Democracy Now

Hamden, CT

#7995 Jul 11, 2013
Scott Crow: "Domestic Terrorist"

"Common Ground" founder and activist finds out he's been investigated and followed by the FBI for 8 years. No history of violence; no charges.

Former FBI, Mike Germain on black-mail of neighbors; over-extension of law and out-right lying through FOIA requests.

Seennorheard

San Mateo, CA

#7997 Jul 12, 2013
Democracy Now wrote:
Scott Crow: "Domestic Terrorist"
"Common Ground" founder and activist finds out he's been investigated and followed by the FBI for 8 years. No history of violence; no charges.
Former FBI, Mike Germain on black-mail of neighbors; over-extension of law and out-right lying through FOIA requests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mzhq4MXKf2cXX
I haven't watched the video yet but that sounds unbelievable. Thanks for the link.

Just got gang stalked by 2 firemen.

The other day I saw how gang stalking works against African Americans. I parked my car and the woman in the car next to me asked me if the place was safe. A black woman was doing something in her car and her 2 daughters were waiting to be let in at the door. The girls were very well behaved so I didn't understand what the problem was, but this woman, an Asian, kept saying that it was weird that these people were hanging out at the back door of the building, why didn't they have a key, why didn't they go through the front door like normal people. She was talking about the kids as if they were adults. She herself was using the back door. It was so weird how she was trying to make this woman and her kids out to be a criminal. I look like total hell right now because I bought some soap from a woman at a street market and my face is breaking out in big pustules and the woman was talking to me be ause I'm white.
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7998 Jul 12, 2013
The perps are getting a new boss:

Senate set to confirm new FBI head who ok'd waterboarding, defends mass spying, indefinite detention

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/10/senate_...
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7999 Jul 13, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
The perps are getting a new boss:
Senate set to confirm new FBI head who ok'd waterboarding, defends mass spying, indefinite detention
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/10/senate_...
Same as the old boss.....

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#8000 Jul 13, 2013
BIG DATA/BIG BROTHER:

Troubled relationships, debt, job loss, post-traumatic stress, health issues and alienation are common experiences for many United States veterans, as well as being risk factors suffered by many people who chose to take their own lives. But risk factors are not the same as warning signs which can be far less obvious.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/can-big-dat...
ptw

Orlando, FL

#8002 Jul 14, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
BIG DATA/BIG BROTHER:
This article is interesting beyond the obvious "useful / helpful (intelligent and knowledgeable) information. Clearly the more anyone truely knows (realizes for THEMSELVES), the better education, understanding and healthier you can become; including that of OS/GS victims, gaining for YOURSELF real information and therefore helpful, real applied knowledge (behind OS/GS crimes, intentions and objectives).

It's past time victims' learn knowledgeable (healthy perspectives of) FACTS "behind illegal, unwarranted, victimizing violations of civil rights/privacy based character defamation/slander targeting your family; separating out FICTIONAL "made up, useless, stupid bull crap of through wall radar, EH, V2K, etc., etc., etc. promoting unheathly beliefs, hopelessness and despair (behind all OS/GS deception/manipulation)"! Said it before, and will continue to state, individuals "PROMOTING" this unhealthy bull crap should stop (read this article)!!

There is no greater level of self education for OS/GS victims than staying up on YOUR OWN real learning by reporting/documenting this corruption for YOURSELVES! Why, to recognize and separate out all the "unheathy" bullcrap (manipulation/deception) being peddled out there by these professional criminals (civil servant/enforcement) and disengaged, enchanted/illusioned victims promoting and covering up ill efforts of OS/GS violating/exploiting all Americans/victims. This level of collusive corruption is behind all OS/GS. Victims should pursue gaining real knowledge from real experiences through YOUR OWN formal reporting, communications, interactions by documenting a baseline and timeline of this corruption, crimes, violations, obstruction of justice, investigative tampering, deception/manipulation!!

Again, the fact that this article, connects serious mental issues to military, ex-military / veterans, highlights the failure of the military (again) at many levels of preparedness in dealing with any serious personnel issues. Now, knowing (as recently posted) that up to 2/3 of police forces can have military experience and therefore may be harboring some serious latent issues and tendencies, including crimes/violations (as seemingly confirmed from recent news and now concerns by conservative and liberals over a militarized enforcement)!

This article also elludes/confirms the levels of tracking of everyone in stating "Everywhere on the Internet, we're trailed by bots that inspect our searches and social chatter, attempting to predict what we're going to buy, watch or who we might date next." Specifically identifying how everyone can become violated through "computer programs" that are "analyzing real-time data collected from Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn accounts."!! Again, just another level of confirmation, everyone should take heed of real legal and illegal violations/activities involving exposed entity/agency corruption , as many OS/GS victims have confirmed.

This article also concludes that "Even outside the military population, doctors miss cues. A review of studies by the Mayo Clinic found approximately 44 percent of people who commit suicide visited their primary care physician, and 20 percent visited a mental health care worker in the month before their deaths." Sadly, OS/GS victims have also confirmed that the medical field,(like legal) can also become a manipulative tool, cowardly and criminally participating in an enlisted agenda of defaming/slanderous privacy violating GS/OS civil servant/enforcement crimes and corruption to discredit and malign victims (in effort to cover up abuses, misconduct, past felonies)!! Healthy knowledge for victims to be aware and address!
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#8003 Jul 14, 2013
ptw wrote:
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This article is interesting.......knowledge for victims to be aware and address!
The question is what do you do with the information? Now you know how the game is played (corrupt and/or deranged local and federal pigs are involved, others are manipulated and lied to so they will participate - doctors, landlords, ex-con's, etc.) and you're documenting what is happening. Now what?

The question is this: how do you disrupt the process? How do you expose these criminal rat-bastards?

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