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RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7958 Jul 6, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
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Are you dodging the questions by asking a question?
It's why you never! And I mean never,try and have a conversation with Suktor.
Make fun of? Yes. Conversation? No.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#7959 Jul 6, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you dodging the questions by asking a question?
People who have been hired to do a job will keep their job so long as they do what is expected of them. Don't confuse the acts of thugs, such as the Manson family, with those who do what it takes to protect the rest of us from such heinous acts.

Such a comparison is a cognitive distortion called overgeneralization.

http://www.atlantapsychiatry.com/forms/CBT-di...
Fight Gang Stalking

Monrovia, CA

#7964 Jul 6, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
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People who have been hired to do a job will keep their job so long as they do what is expected of them. Don't confuse the acts of thugs, such as the Manson family, with those who do what it takes to protect the rest of us from such heinous acts.
Such a comparison is a cognitive distortion called overgeneralization.
http://www.atlantapsychiatry.com/forms/CBT-di...
If there were a war between Americans and the federal government, which side would you fight on?
ptw

Homestead, FL

#7965 Jul 7, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
<quoted text>
It's why you never! And I mean never,try and have a conversation with Suktor.
Make fun of? Yes. Conversation? No.
Agreed!

Having a so called "conversation" with an OS/GS criminal engaged in known felony crimes (cyberstalking) all based on levels of victim violation based psychological targeted assaulting (intimidation, false/fraudulent accusations, harassment, defamation, discrediting etc., etc., etc.,) will only ever produce skewed, distorted gibberish (covering up involvement). This will never change!

A OS/GS criminal's whole concept (content) is obviously a continuation of the very lying, dismissiveness, manipulation and deception, obstruction of justice and tampering behind its illicit efforts towards application and covering up involvement in (police/civil servant/enforcement) OS/GS crimes, violations of privacy, civil/legal rights and liberties!

Even Ted Bundy used psychology towards false/fraudulent efforts, victim entrapment and in violating victim's safety, security and lives, as well as it's sadistic frenzied morbid torture, terrorizing, tormenting and boastful display of it's perverse talents, and, AND in it's defense of its crimes! Again, deceptive, manipulative "stupid is as stupid does," will never change!

The important point taken from this, as a victim watching its display take shape, is:(as in its previous posts) repeated admitted abuse of psychological concepts contributing to the "obvious" application, promotion and defense of "obvious" police/enforcement/civil servant OS/GS crimes (a.k.a. "victim assaulting, terrorizing and discrediting")!

(This initiated exchange seems familiar). As a victim how does one specifically give "OS/GS assailants any crediting of valid points" in defense of any aspect of obvious immoral involvement in privacy/civil rights violating, maliciously manufactured, sadistic and heinous psychological terrorizing crimes victimizing others??

Knowing of course, all abusive police OS/GS corruption is based on "cowardly, gutless, yellow-belly and criminal behind your back" violation based crimes. In others words; cheap, sleazy shots from illegal, unwarranted, unconstitutional indiscriminate violations "based" psychological stalking/assaulting of anyone, anywhere, anytime for sadistic sport and perverse amusement)?? This is what cowardly corrupt, unethical, immoral organized scheming civil servant/enforcement OS/GS is all about !!

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#7966 Jul 7, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
If there were a war between Americans and the federal government, which side would you fight on?
Americans!! Of course whether you are willing to accept that you already participate in the U.S. government by voting, belonging to any political party, paying taxes, having ever attended any school in the U.S., having a driver's license or any other ID, served on jury duty own or rent property or even in the act of criticizing it or protesting against it depends on your interpretation. Nonetheless, every day you remain in this country you are exercising some form of participation in it whether you like it or not! If there were to be a war that occurs between 'Americans' and the federal government it will end the moment there are no 'Americans' left who participate in it.
Fight Gang Stalking

Monrovia, CA

#7967 Jul 7, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
Americans!! Of course whether you are willing to accept that you already participate in the U.S. government by voting, belonging to any political party, paying taxes, having ever attended any school in the U.S., having a driver's license or any other ID, served on jury duty own or rent property or even in the act of criticizing it or protesting against it depends on your interpretation. Nonetheless, every day you remain in this country you are exercising some form of participation in it whether you like it or not! If there were to be a war that occurs between 'Americans' and the federal government it will end the moment there are no 'Americans' left who participate in it.
(1) "Participating" in a government by voting to try to influence it is one thing; being a shill who lies (for money) to protect a corrupt government from being exposed is something very different.

(2) The fact that people participate in a government by voting doesn't make the government legitimate; it's not a democracy if the government is secretly committing crimes against its citizens.
Fight Gang Stalking

Monrovia, CA

#7968 Jul 7, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
Americans!! Of course whether you are willing to accept that you already participate in the U.S. government by voting, belonging to any political party, paying taxes, having ever attended any school in the U.S., having a driver's license or any other ID, served on jury duty own or rent property or even in the act of criticizing it or protesting against it depends on your interpretation. Nonetheless, every day you remain in this country you are exercising some form of participation in it whether you like it or not! If there were to be a war that occurs between 'Americans' and the federal government it will end the moment there are no 'Americans' left who participate in it.
(1)“Participating” in a government by voting is one thing; shilling for a corrupt government by lying (for money) to help the government avoid having its crimes exposed is something else.

(2) Voting for a government doesn’t make the government legitimate; it’s not a democracy if the government is secretly committing crimes against its citizens.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7969 Jul 7, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
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I believe you are catching on. It's not necessarily the source, but the content that is implied here. Cognitive distortions are common among common people. Leaders are selected by followers and not the other way around.
So, you are saying that leaders are selected by common people with prevalent cognitive distortions? That would explain so much.

Interesting you use the term "cognitive distortion". When I started getting stalked, the person (who I believe was) behind it could seem to create some sort of distortion in the minds of people who trusted him.
Over time, he would exude more and more control over others until they didnt seem to think independentaly from him. Funny thing...he "seemed honest".
Fight Gang Stalking

Monrovia, CA

#7970 Jul 7, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you are saying that leaders are selected by common people with prevalent cognitive distortions? That would explain so much.
Interesting you use the term "cognitive distortion". When I started getting stalked, the person (who I believe was) behind it could seem to create some sort of distortion in the minds of people who trusted him.
Over time, he would exude more and more control over others until they didnt seem to think independentaly from him. Funny thing...he "seemed honest".
A January 21, 2013 article published in CounterPunch magazine explains gang stalking pretty clearly. They say that the FBI's infamous Cointelpro operation has re-emerged in full force.

The article is very clear - no distortion (cognitive or otherwise).

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/21/the-re...

For even more info, you can review other such articles at FightGangStalking.com

Guaranteed to be totally free of cognitive distortion.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#7972 Jul 8, 2013
book: FBI Secrets: an agent's expos'e/ M. Wesley Swearingen

Forward: Lifting the Shroud of Secrecy by Ward Churchill

(comment): During the ten years that I was on the U.S. Intelligence Board....never once did I hear anybody, including myself, raise the questions: "Is this course of action which we have agreed upon lawful, is it legal, is it moral and ethical?" We never gave any thought to that realm of reasoning...(only) Will this course of action work, will it get us what we want, will it reach the objective we desire to reach?.....(by Former FBI Assistant Director, Domestic Intelligence Division)

.......From (an) array of sources......emerges a portrait of a massive, deeply entrenched and increasingly ubiquitous institutional entity devoted to the curtailment of domestic political action and expression. The individual objects of the bureau's attentions in this respect have been people as different in their lives and outlooks as Ernest Hemingway, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Russell Means, Janis Joplin, Heuy P. Newton and Joan Baez.....

On record, the methods employed against such "deviants" have included every sort of tactic from discrediting targeted persons or groups by circulating defamatory rumors about them in the communities and/or planting false reports about them in the media, to causing "political objectionable individuals" to be evicted from their homes and fired from their jobs by contacting their landlords and employers, to orchestrating the repeated arrests on spurious charges of those targeted, to obtaining the conviction and consequent imprisonment of "key activists" by introducing fabricated evidence against them at trial, to provoking inter- and intragroup violence (and worse).

Here at last is a career veteran of the bureau's clandestine wars against political freedom in America -- a participant in literally hundreds of burglaries, disinformation campaigns, and worse....(Forward by Ward Churchill)

Introduction:(author) did not know, when I joined, that I would learn the expertise of burglary, or that (the) former director would instruct agents to violate extortion and kidnapping laws. I did not know then that FBI agents would plot (serious crimes)........and put innocent individuals in jail just because (of) their skin (color).........The fact is the FBI was asking me (author) to violate the Constitution of the United States in order to, paradoxically, protect the Constitution.....

(Author) retired in 1977 (after 25yrs)......completely disillusioned......Because of the FBI's widespread dishonesty and corruption.....(author) had lost the ability to distinguish between different levels of corruption. In the beginning when (author) saw agents being encouraged to cheat on their examinations,(author) was shocked. But after 20yrs of seeing a whole bureau cheat on Inspector's examinations, concoct fictitious informants, manufacture phony informant reports, and create false statistics, even the most egregious levels of corruption -- when top FBI officials lied to the courts, the Department of Justice, and to the U.S. Congress -- no longer shocked me. After witnessing 20 years of FBI wrongdoing,(author) accepted it as a means to survive in the bureau (including: not saying anything to U.S. Attorney General or judge when learning of a framing for murder and false imprisonment).

read more:
http://books.google.com/books...

(tell us OS/GS is not a civil servant crime)!!

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#7973 Jul 8, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
A January 21, 2013 article published in CounterPunch magazine explains gang stalking pretty clearly. They say that the FBI's infamous Cointelpro operation has re-emerged in full force.
The article is very clear - no distortion (cognitive or otherwise).
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/21/the-re...
For even more info, you can review other such articles at FightGangStalking.com
Guaranteed to be totally free of cognitive distortion.
Not to be a stickler on semantics, but how does the phrase 'gang stalking' apply to the FBI? If they are doing anything it is to interfere with the illegal acts of gangs. With that being so, why would it bother anyone who is not communicating for the purpose of doing something illegal to have their phone tapped? That would be a waste of the FBI's time, wouldn't it? By the way, nice work finding that article.
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7975 Jul 8, 2013
Again, with the double-speak.

Vomiting out the same old party line......

Patriotism! Conspiracy Theory! Delusion!

Seven: The Great Master (De)Bater
Fight Gang Stalking

Monrovia, CA

#7977 Jul 8, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to be a stickler on semantics, but how does the phrase 'gang stalking' apply to the FBI? If they are doing anything it is to interfere with the illegal acts of gangs. With that being so, why would it bother anyone who is not communicating for the purpose of doing something illegal to have their phone tapped? That would be a waste of the FBI's time, wouldn't it? By the way, nice work finding that article.
You make a good point - that the federal government would never do something that is a waste of time and money. In the first version of Cointelpro, for example, they only went after the most serious threats to society - people like Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lennon.
FormerLAer

Brooklyn, NY

#7978 Jul 8, 2013
Bizarrely, Ernest Hemingway was the great uncle of one of my main gangstalkers. You think he'd sympathize more.
FormerLAer

La Crosse, WI

#7979 Jul 8, 2013
How about extremely corrupt areas like California--where people have their own little wars against celebs, etc. based on jealousy, religious/social/racial hatred? What if someone in the government--or someone with a ton of money and connections to wiretap--wants to kill someone, destroy someone's career and/or life simply based on religious/social/racial hatred?

Not that I would know or anything.

...& don't tell me that's never happened before.
FormerLAer

Chicago, IL

#7980 Jul 8, 2013
Why didn't they like Ernest Hemingway, by the way?
ptw

Homestead, FL

#7981 Jul 9, 2013
Lilith wrote:
Again, with the double-speak.
Vomiting out the same old party line......
Patriotism! Conspiracy Theory! Delusion!
Seven: The Great Master (De)Bater
part 1

And you've hit the nail on the head: False patriotism, extreme lying, cowardly corruption and frenzied paranoia !

I'll defer further to passages "in their own words" from the following book, that speaks for itself !

book: FBI Secrets: an agent's expos'e/ M. Wesley Swearingen

This book is (agent's) legacy to the freedom-loving people of the America who do not intend to forget what the FBI and the federal government did.......to suppress our freedoms guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.

Unfortunately, it seems the bureau has produced virtually nobody.....with the requisite conscience, courage, and personal integrity....fortitude and character necessary to admit, first to himself and then to the rest of us, not just the illegality but the intrinsic "wrongness" is what (they) did "in service to the (FBI) bureau......

......never once did I hear anybody including myself raise the questions: "Is this course of action which we have agreed upon lawful, is it moral and ethical?" (former FBI Assistant Director, Domestic Intelligence Division)!!

.....methods employed against (innocent others) have included every sort of tactic from discrediting targeted persons or groups by circulating defamatory rumors about them in their communities and/or planting false reports about them in the media, to causing.......individuals to be evicted from their homes and fired from their jobs by contacting their landlords and employers, to orchestrating the repeated arrests on spurious charges,.....to obtaining the conviction and consequent imprisonment.........by introducing fabricated evidence against them at trial, to provoking...group violence, to outright assassination of....leaders.

.....railroaded (individual) into a ongoing life term in prison by agents.......

Additional vignettes highlight the FBI's more-or-less continuous subversion of "objectionable" electoral condidates, the hyper-reactionary racial and sexual attitudes of the average agent, and much more.
ptw

Homestead, FL

#7982 Jul 9, 2013
Lilith wrote:
Again, with the double-speak.
Vomiting out the same old party line......
Patriotism! Conspiracy Theory! Delusion!
Seven: The Great Master (De)Bater
Part 2

And you've hit the nail on the head: False patriotism, extreme lying, cowardly corruption and frenzied paranoia !

I'll defer further to passages "in their own words" from the following book, that speaks for itself !

book: FBI Secrets: an agent's expos'e/ M. Wesley Swearingen

The FBI also used street gangs during the late-60's and early-70's as surrogates with which to destroy (others)........The gangs with which the bureau aligned itself, and to which it appears to have extended some sort of criminal immunity as a "quid pro quo"..........largely went on to become primary drug distributors in the respective localities.....

Major field offices across the country had installed illegal bugs and wiretaps in homes

....learned the expertise of burglary....a former (FBI) director would instruct agents to violate extortion and kidnapping laws........FBI agents would plot.......and put innocent individuals in jail just because (of) skin (color)......

Because of the FBI's widespread dishonesty and corruption,.......(agent) lost the ability to distinquish between different levels of corruption..........agents being encouraged to cheat on their examinations......years of seeing a whole bureau cheat on Inspectors' examinations, concoct fictitious informants, manufacture phony informant reports, and create false statistics, even the most egregious levels of corruption--when top FBI officials lied to the courts, the Department of Justice, and to the U.S. Congress.....

(agent) did not call the attorney general of the United States or the judge who was trying the case when (agent) learned (targeted individual) was to be framed and imprisoned.

Many "critics" asked (agent) how (he) could consciously and willingly violate laws ....sworn to uphold......

False patriotism:
....young overzealous patriot, a real "Yankee Doodle Dandy" who loved his country.
I was a dangerous person to have in public service because when there appeared to be a threat to our government, I placed the other agents and self above the law.
We did what we thought was good for the country. "Our country, right or wrong."
"We are the only ones who know what is good for the country, and we are the only ones who can do anything about it."

....swift and seemingly random nature of firings created an (FBI) atmosphere of precariousness and paranoia

The fact is that the FBI was asking (agent) to violate the Constitution of the United States (break-ns against American citizens) in order to, paradoxically, protect the Constitution
Seennorheard

United States

#7983 Jul 9, 2013
Nice article explaining possible remote control murder as reason for reporter Michel Hastings car crash in Los Angeles.

http://www.sandiego6.com/story/details-of-rep...
justin shizzel

Portland, OR

#7985 Jul 10, 2013
I am a "ti ". I have captured a small portion of this activity on video. Here is part 1 on youtube__
http://m.youtube.com/watch...

The first video is so so. It depict there themed harassment useing pink, blue, and other stuff. You kinda just got to see it.

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