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#7933 Jul 4, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
Understanding Madmen: A DSM-IV
Assessment of Adolf Hitler
Discussion
http://www.uccs.edu/~faculty/fcoolidg/Hitler%...
Page 12
"The main hypothesis was that Hitler would have been diagnosed with schizophrenia, paranoid
type. Although it was not his highest Axis I elevation, the mean consensus T score for the
Schizophrenia scale was nearly two standard deviations above the normative mean. Hitler’s
clinical elevations on the Psychotic Thinking and Paranoid scales also support this diagnosis. It
could, of course, be questioned whether someone with a schizophrenic disorder could rise to such
a high position of power and control of others, given that schizophrenia is generally such a
debilitating disease, particularly socially and occupationally. However, there are other
documented cases of murderous schizophrenic persons who have had extraordinary influence on
groups of others (e.g., Charles Manson, James Jones, etc.)
Examination of the current DSM-IV criteria for schizophrenia, paranoid type, also support
this diagnosis. It lists symptoms such as preoccupation with one or more persecutory or grandiose
delusions usually organized around a coherent theme."
Once again, well stated, Hektor 7. I noticed that you didnt try to deny that these madmen in history used tatics of organized stalking, however. I would certainly agree with you that the power hungry behavior and organized stalking behavior is a indication of psychotic characteristics. And some of these folks did have quite a few followers, didnt they? What I have seen is that both the organized stalker personality and the victim personality may display some psychiatric characteristics. The stalking may cause the victim to display overt characteristics, while the (more psychotic)stalker personality maintains hidden psychotic characteristics. So, I am suggesting that the organized stalking may be a power struggle between people or groups on the psychological level. A sort of social polarization of underlying psychological characteristics.

Since: Dec 09

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#7938 Jul 4, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, well stated, Hektor 7. I noticed that you didnt try to deny that these madmen in history used tatics of organized stalking, however. I would certainly agree with you that the power hungry behavior and organized stalking behavior is a indication of psychotic characteristics. And some of these folks did have quite a few followers, didnt they? What I have seen is that both the organized stalker personality and the victim personality may display some psychiatric characteristics. The stalking may cause the victim to display overt characteristics, while the (more psychotic)stalker personality maintains hidden psychotic characteristics. So, I am suggesting that the organized stalking may be a power struggle between people or groups on the psychological level. A sort of social polarization of underlying psychological characteristics.
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."

Friedrich Nietzsche

Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Jim Jones et. al. all were quite charismatic, but without followers their evil could not fester. Nonetheless, those who did the following should have been just as much at fault for the evil that spread!

So how does one become a follower?

Since: Sep 12

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#7939 Jul 4, 2013
Lilith wrote:
Twilight Zone,
You're really too polite.
Seven,
You are a......PIECE. OF. SHIT.
I might be too polite. I think thats how I found myself stalked.
What I have found interesting though is that people will try to stalk, harass and take advantage when they think someone is nice.
Then those same people will start thinking I am going to do some kind of major payback. Thats when the stalkers can become paranoid fearful, and delusional. And I find that a good position for me to be in. Its like turning the tables on the psychological level. It can be fun and educational.

As for Hektor 7. He did start this forum. So I will always be polite to him. I think its funny though how he wont clearly answer certain basic questions. And his last post, if you read it carefully actually supports the idea that organized stalking has clearly existed in the past, and it is not unreasonable to consider the arguement that it does exist today. So for the purpose of debate, Hektor 7 may have formulated the best arguement against himself.

Since: Sep 12

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#7940 Jul 4, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Jim Jones et. al. all were quite charismatic, but without followers their evil could not fester. Nonetheless, those who did the following should have been just as much at fault for the evil that spread!
So how does one become a follower?
either we are finding common ground, or we are worlds apart. I dont know which. I think many or most people tend to be followers.
its who or what they choose to follow that defines the situation.
group psychology is the basis for many of my ideas about organized stalking. I believe the information is already there, but there is a disconnect in assimilating the info.

conversely, how does one become a leader?
Lilith

Cambridge, MA

#7941 Jul 4, 2013
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#7942 Jul 4, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
Giving up is not the best way to solve a problem.
"Cognitive therapy has shown promise as an emerging treatment for delusions. The cognitive therapist tries to capitalize on any doubt the individual has about the delusions; then attempts to develop a joint effort with the sufferer to generate alternative explanations, assisting the client in checking the evidence. This examination proceeds in favor of the various explanations. Much of the work is done by use of empathy, asking hypothetical questions in a form of therapeutic Socratic dialogue—a process that follows a basic question and answer format, figuring out what is known and unknown before reaching a logical conclusion. Combining pharmacotherapy with cognitive therapy integrates both treating the possible underlying biological problems and decreasing the symptoms with psychotherapy."
Read more: http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusiona...
The whole idea that cognitive therapy helps anyone is delusional thinking. Good luck finding a therapist who an provide statistical proof that it helps. It is an effective form of torture though. In actual practice, the therapists gains your trust by asking empathy over the situation and then tears into you about not wanting to change to their way of thinking. That's part of the CIA mind control procedure for brainwashing. The therapist becomes a total slave to the process and forgets to see how emotionally degrading this behavior is for the client.
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#7943 Jul 4, 2013
Lilith wrote:
Muwhaahhhahahhaaaa! At first I thought you had wished us happy Halloween.
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#7944 Jul 4, 2013
Lilith wrote:
But thank you for the good wishes and I wish everyone a happy holiday as well. Go stick a sparkler up one of your stalkers butts.
in the know

Kunming, China

#7945 Jul 5, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience. If a patient asks a psychiatrist how the meds for treating delusions works, the psychiatrist will have to tell the patient he/she doesn't know. The shrink will then probably refer to studies. In fact, the studies now show that antidepressant and anti psychotics have the same cure rate as placebos. This may be because the meds are over prescribed to people who aren't really sick.
Psychiatrists work closely with the police, as do the insurance companies. Oe therapist I went to had me sign a paper stating that the FBI can ask to look at my medical records any time they want and she will be required not to tell me.
So, you tell me, mentor, who's the sick sh!t in this equation?
Yes, this is 100% correct. The modern psychiatrist is a tool to dispense medication to the western world. If they get opposition to the Freemasonry system or one of their sub-groups (scientology, Jehovan witness, etc) They try their first weapon of attack, this is to get their enemy to look unstable or crazy. They have many members in the industry and they have done this veryopenly in a famous case online for 'Hollie Greig' If you type that into google, you will see that the mother of Hollie found her father and 12 or so of his freemasonry friends molesting her. The mother went to the police and was immediately sectioned. They drugged her and told her she imagined it. She played along, got out and was independently assessed. She was totally sane! She then went back at them, went to court and just like the Jimmy Saville case (a well claimed Freemason) they said 'Insufficent evidence' which is what happens when any member of Freemasonry gets arrested. Now we know there was thousands of sexual molestation claims against him and it was covered up by the police,the BBC and more.

If you actually see for yourself the lengths they go to , to get people PROGRAMMED, is extensive.It is the basis of all media online and movies. Theso called 'elite families'who are mentally ill, actually own all the mainstream media and movie industry. They pump out movies like 'A beautiful mind'. This movie is to brainwash people into believing that paranoid schizophrenia exists. Though in fact it does not and is a complete creation for control methods. In the movie an extremely intelligent person is supposedly mentally ill, though he worked for the CIA or NSA and he imagined them all,including his friends. It's a total joke of amovie, I am amazed that Edward Snowden was not labelled insane, though I guess ashe had proof in documents, they'd shoot themselves in the foot. This also could be seen as a counter intelligence as well. To make people who back Snowden come forward for the NSA to 'Gang Stalk' If you look at the latest USA mentally ill figures, it's the population of the UK. Come on wake up! Have you ever been to Asian countries with little western influence or control. Hardly anyone has any mental illness or depression! Open your eyes, the Federal reserve prints the USA's money and they are Freemasonry member cults. 13 private families banks. They are using mental illness as control and for money making. Who do you think owns the pharmaceuticals? If you look at the medication it's side effects cause numerous health problems and psychological problems. Hence, people who are stupid enough to take the medication find they have problems from it and get addicted = easy to control. In the UK we put fluoride in our drinking water! Yes, this insane practice is supposed to be for teeth health. In fact Fluoride is a Neuro toxin.
This slows your mind down and makes you more docile and controllable . Where else did they put fluoride in the water NAZI concentration camps! That's right and they want to increase areas into high concentration levels. Wake up! There's something clearly wrong with these western governments.
Mengele Lives

France

#7946 Jul 5, 2013
in the know wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, this is 100% correct. The modern psychiatrist is a tool to dispense medication to the western world. If they get opposition to the Freemasonry system or one of their sub-groups (scientology, Jehovan witness, etc) They try their first weapon of attack, this is to get their enemy to look unstable or crazy. They have many members in the industry and they have done this veryopenly in a famous case online for 'Hollie Greig' If you type that into google, you will see that the mother of Hollie found her father and 12 or so of his freemasonry friends molesting her. The mother went to the police and was immediately sectioned. They drugged her and told her she imagined it. She played along, got out and was independently assessed. She was totally sane! She then went back at them, went to court and just like the Jimmy Saville case (a well claimed Freemason) they said 'Insufficent evidence' which is what happens when any member of Freemasonry gets arrested. Now we know there was thousands of sexual molestation claims against him and it was covered up by the police,the BBC and more.
If you actually see for yourself the lengths they go to , to get people PROGRAMMED, is extensive.It is the basis of all media online and movies. Theso called 'elite families'who are mentally ill, actually own all the mainstream media and movie industry. They pump out movies like 'A beautiful mind'. This movie is to brainwash people into believing that paranoid schizophrenia exists. Though in fact it does not and is a complete creation for control methods. In the movie an extremely intelligent person is supposedly mentally ill, though he worked for the CIA or NSA and he imagined them all,including his friends. It's a total joke of amovie, I am amazed that Edward Snowden was not labelled insane, though I guess ashe had proof in documents, they'd shoot themselves in the foot. This also could be seen as a counter intelligence as well. To make people who back Snowden come forward for the NSA to 'Gang Stalk' If you look at the latest USA mentally ill figures, it's the population of the UK. Come on wake up! Have you ever been to Asian countries with little western influence or control. Hardly anyone has any mental illness or depression! Open your eyes, the Federal reserve prints the USA's money and they are Freemasonry member cults. 13 private families banks. They are using mental illness as control and for money making. Who do you think owns the pharmaceuticals? If you look at the medication it's side effects cause numerous health problems and psychological problems. Hence, people who are stupid enough to take the medication find they have problems from it and get addicted = easy to control.
Couldn't agree more. Here's some incidental evidence:

I had been on an "anti-depressant" for some years. I, continually, told the shrink that the pill was, literally, passing through me without breaking down in any way (intact; coating of pill intact).
He, continually, kept telling me that it was a timed-released pill and that I was getting "therapeutic" results.(On top of this, he prescribed ANOTHER pill to augment the first one:$34./pill)

I didn't believe him.

We came to an agreement. I would take a blood test and get the titer results of the "therapeutic" dose in my bloodstream.

The results came back. This was his explanation:

".....most people that are getting "therapeutic" results from this medication have a blood titer reading of between 300 to 500. Yours was 27 (twenty-seven). So, it seems you were right. I don't think you need this medication at all."

It's also interesting to note that in hindsight, all the mental and psychological muscling I did while going through the hell of OS/GS was, truly, "on my own".
Mengele Lives

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#7947 Jul 5, 2013
in the know wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, this is 100% correct. The modern psychiatrist is a tool to dispense medication to the western world. If they get opposition to the Freemasonry system or one of their sub-groups (scientology, Jehovan witness, etc) They try their first weapon of attack, this is to get their enemy to look unstable or crazy. They have many members in the industry and they have done this veryopenly in a famous case online for 'Hollie Greig' If you type that into google, you will see that the mother of Hollie found her father and 12 or so of his freemasonry friends molesting her. The mother went to the police and was immediately sectioned. They drugged her and told her she imagined it. She played along, got out and was independently assessed. She was totally sane! She then went back at them, went to court and just like the Jimmy Saville case (a well claimed Freemason) they said 'Insufficent evidence' which is what happens when any member of Freemasonry gets arrested. Now we know there was thousands of sexual molestation claims against him and it was covered up by the police,the BBC and more.
If you actually see for yourself the lengths they go to , to get people PROGRAMMED, is extensive.It is the basis of all media online and movies. Theso called 'elite families'who are mentally ill, actually own all the mainstream media and movie industry. They pump out movies like 'A beautiful mind'. This movie is to brainwash people into believing that paranoid schizophrenia exists. Though in fact it does not and is a complete creation for control methods. In the movie an extremely intelligent person is supposedly mentally ill, though he worked for the CIA or NSA and he imagined them all,including his friends. It's a total joke of amovie, I am amazed that Edward Snowden was not labelled insane, though I guess ashe had proof in documents, they'd shoot themselves in the foot. This also could be seen as a counter intelligence as well. To make people who back Snowden come forward for the NSA to 'Gang Stalk' If you look at the latest USA mentally ill figures, it's the population of the UK. Come on wake up! Have you ever been to Asian countries with little western influence or control. Hardly anyone has any mental illness or depression! Open your eyes, the Federal reserve prints the USA's money and they are Freemasonry member cults. 13 private families banks. They are using mental illness as control and for money making. Who do you think owns the pharmaceuticals? If you look at the medication it's side effects cause numerous health problems and psychological problems. Hence, people who are stupid enough to take the medication find they have problems from it and get addicted = easy to control.
Couldn't agree more. Here's some incidental evidence:

I had been on an "anti-depressant" for some years. I, continually, told the shrink that the pill was passing through my body without breaking down in any way (intact; coating of pill intact). He, continually, told me that the pill was timed-released and that I was getting a "therapeutic" dose of the medication.(On top of this, he prescribed ANOTHER pill to augment the first one:$34./pill).

I didn't believe him.

We came to an agreement that I would have a blood titer test done to see what the exact "therapeutic" dose was in my bloodstream.

The results came back. This was his explanation:

"......most people on this medication that are getting "therapeutic" results have a blood titer of 300 to 500. Yours was 27 (twenty-seven). So, you were right. It seems you don't need to be on this medication."

It's interesting to note, in hindsight, that all the mental and psychological muscling I was doing living through the hell of OS/GS, I was actually doing "on my own".
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7948 Jul 5, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
But thank you for the good wishes and I wish everyone a happy holiday as well. Go stick a sparkler up one of your stalkers butts.
I think a roman candle would be more effective.
And be sure and start with the business end.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#7951 Jul 5, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
<quoted text>
either we are finding common ground, or we are worlds apart. I dont know which. I think many or most people tend to be followers.
its who or what they choose to follow that defines the situation.
group psychology is the basis for many of my ideas about organized stalking. I believe the information is already there, but there is a disconnect in assimilating the info.
conversely, how does one become a leader?
“Gullible, emotionally disturbed, and often very immature, the young men and women who gave obeisance to Manson's creed believed that he was the messiah of the New Age. So many of the empty, confused youth who roamed America in those days were devoid of values, and they longed for someone who could make them feel desirable and worthwhile.”

Real Zombies, the Living Dead, and Creatures of the Apocalypse
(Google eBook)

P. 288

Brad Steiger

http://books.google.com/books...

With the above as a 'given' it appears that leaders are easier to find and become than followers.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7952 Jul 5, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
“Gullible, emotionally disturbed, and often very immature, the young men and women who gave obeisance to Manson's creed believed that he was the messiah of the New Age. So many of the empty, confused youth who roamed America in those days were devoid of values, and they longed for someone who could make them feel desirable and worthwhile.”
Real Zombies, the Living Dead, and Creatures of the Apocalypse
(Google eBook)
P. 288
Brad Steiger
http://books.google.com/books...
With the above as a 'given' it appears that leaders are easier to find and become than followers.
Facinating you would quote Brad Steiger. I remember hearing him on Coast to Coast AM some years back. He has written many books on the paranormal as I recall. Not the style of source I thought you would rely on though. I suppose I did not clearly answer your question "how does one become a follower" in my previous post. So I will try to do better. One becomes a follower by failing to develop their own philosophy and moral compass. Or one may become a follower by settleing for the social connection to a group that doesnt allow for the individuality of the person.

I am not sure if leaders are easier to find, but in the case of the feckless, it may be easier for the leaders to find them.
Brina

Minneapolis, MN

#7953 Jul 5, 2013
Brina wrote:
Brina wrote: <quoted text> She is 19 years old.....their plan the gang stalkers was they would electronically harass me to death force her to scream and holler via v2k then fake a suicide or force suicide on her. The law enforcement is laundering drug monies to possibly collect insurance monies on the victims......
Derrick C Kimmons has them hacking on my facebook and has My kid telling her to kill me so they can frame her telling her if she dont kill me they wll kill her this is how Minneapolis police roll.
My v2k specialist who keeps telling me over and over how he is going to kill me and mykid is begging permission for facebook.com/karizmakid to be taken down this implies government to me......if this is a fema govt collaboration to kill innocent people under the guise we can't sustain them is bull cocky if I could not eat I would die......if fema can't feed me after a catastrophe guess what I'd die ....this sustaining people this is about technological human rights abuse....save the women and children please.

Since: Dec 09

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#7954 Jul 5, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Facinating you would quote Brad Steiger. I remember hearing him on Coast to Coast AM some years back. He has written many books on the paranormal as I recall. Not the style of source I thought you would rely on though. I suppose I did not clearly answer your question "how does one become a follower" in my previous post. So I will try to do better. One becomes a follower by failing to develop their own philosophy and moral compass. Or one may become a follower by settleing for the social connection to a group that doesnt allow for the individuality of the person.
I am not sure if leaders are easier to find, but in the case of the feckless, it may be easier for the leaders to find them.
I believe you are catching on. It's not necessarily the source, but the content that is implied here. Cognitive distortions are common among common people. Leaders are selected by followers and not the other way around.
Fight Gang Stalking

Monrovia, CA

#7955 Jul 5, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe you are catching on. It's not necessarily the source, but the content that is implied here. Cognitive distortions are common among common people. Leaders are selected by followers and not the other way around.
How do federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies select THEIR brown-nosers (like disinformation perp's for example)?

Just curious.

Also, what do the brown-nosers in the disinformation bureaus think about their leader, National Security Director James Clapper, getting caught lying to Congress recently? Are they disappointed that their top liar was exposed - or just proud of him for lying to America?

FightGangStalking.com

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#7956 Jul 6, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
How do federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies select THEIR brown-nosers (like disinformation perp's for example)?
Just curious.
Also, what do the brown-nosers in the disinformation bureaus think about their leader, National Security Director James Clapper, getting caught lying to Congress recently? Are they disappointed that their top liar was exposed - or just proud of him for lying to America?
FightGangStalking.com
Are they lying and brown-nosing or is your interpretation of what's really going on in contrast with what you believe should be going on?
Fight Gang Stalking

Monrovia, CA

#7957 Jul 6, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
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Are they lying and brown-nosing or is your interpretation of what's really going on in contrast with what you believe should be going on?
Are you dodging the questions by asking a question?
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7958 Jul 6, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you dodging the questions by asking a question?
It's why you never! And I mean never,try and have a conversation with Suktor.
Make fun of? Yes. Conversation? No.

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