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ptw

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RunGsersRun wrote:
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In the past I've tried to keep politics out of it,
even though my targeting started during the clinton admin.
But after seeing all the crap obama is pulling I'm beginning to wonder.
And as time goes by,I no longer think of Alex Jones as a nutjob.
And thats saying something.
If it started during the clinton admin, than it had to continue during the eight years of the bush admin.(Dir Mueller has led the FBI beginning with the bush admin and still exists in that position today and as we know these "loose" homeland security programs started during this era involving the all inclusive USDOJ). I'm just saying!

Like you, I'm beginning to think there is alot more ("cowardly, criminal, violating;" there I said it) politics involved hiding behind this corruption than we all realize; otherwise why aren't ALL of our legiislatures not making a BIG stink about recent NSA indiscriminate, illegal and unwarranted spying? Isn't this country's foundation built upon the guaranteed protection of civil rights, civil liberties and privacy?

Where are ALL of our trustworthy, ethical, honest, straightforward legislatures? Why aren't each and everyone defending our (the people's) civil and legal rights, liberties and privacy? Where is this "body's" outrage? Who knew what about the "illicit" application of "secret law, FISA and Patriot/Safe Acts" and subsequent abuses, excesses, violations; and lack of responsible, accountable and culpable "legitimate" oversight (as of other "civil servant" involved crimes/violations/assaults a.k.a. OS/GS)? This ALL involves "civil servants", does it not?
RunGsersRun

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ptw wrote:
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If it started during the clinton admin, than it had to continue during the eight years of the bush admin.(Dir Mueller has led the FBI beginning with the bush admin and still exists in that position today and as we know these "loose" homeland security programs started during this era involving the all inclusive USDOJ). I'm just saying!
Like you, I'm beginning to think there is alot more ("cowardly, criminal, violating;" there I said it) politics involved hiding behind this corruption than we all realize; otherwise why aren't ALL of our legiislatures not making a BIG stink about recent NSA indiscriminate, illegal and unwarranted spying? Isn't this country's foundation built upon the guaranteed protection of civil rights, civil liberties and privacy?
Where are ALL of our trustworthy, ethical, honest, straightforward legislatures? Why aren't each and everyone defending our (the people's) civil and legal rights, liberties and privacy? Where is this "body's" outrage? Who knew what about the "illicit" application of "secret law, FISA and Patriot/Safe Acts" and subsequent abuses, excesses, violations; and lack of responsible, accountable and culpable "legitimate" oversight (as of other "civil servant" involved crimes/violations/assaults a.k.a. OS/GS)? This ALL involves "civil servants", does it not?
True enough. You dont see either side putting a stop to it.
I think my feelings may be swayed by the sheer amount of info coming out these days.
In other words,the dems have been caught red handed.
Another thing I've noticed is the Republicans going after Snowden when most of us think of him as a hero.
Getting to be such a disconnect with the American people on both sides of the aisle.
Americans distrust of government is at an all time high.
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My car was vandalized while I was parked next to a police station. Of course I don't know who did it. But, I called thinking that I might try to report the crime to the police. The woman on the phone said that I could report it online.

I then said that I felt I was being gang stalked and asked her if she knew anything about that particular crime. She said she had never heard of gang stalking. I asked again just to make certain. She said that she had never heard of gang stalking. This, of course, means to me that either the police were the ones who vandalized my car or they are choosing to allow gangs to do gang stalking.

I was in a mental health meeting and was talking about my paranoias and panic attacks related to the stalking. A woman in the meeting got up and left after I spoke. The woman running the meeting went out after her. This particular woman had changed her diagnoses from the last meeting. After the meeting the first women, not the mediator, was still there sitting in her car and was parked next to my car so she had been sitting there for half of the meeting. The woman who runs the meeting had commented on my political affiliations so I assume she was thinking that I am a tea party member. I have sort of wondered if my targeting was related to gossip that I'm in the tea party, which I'm not. Nt even close.. I'm no longer affiliated with the democrats because they gang stalk, however. I am pretty clear that these meetings are offered by the government in order to keep control of targets. This meeting asks you for your diagnoses, name, phone number and email address. I had to change location from another meeting because of a couple of guys who would consistory show up after I did and would leave rig after I spoke. The one guy showed up late dressed in a soccer uniform and spent the entire meeting talking about how tired he was. It was so creepy. As I said he left right after I spoke.
486mru

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RunGsersRun wrote:
Lilith
In the past I've tried to keep politics out of it,
even though my targeting started during the clinton admin.
But after seeing all the crap obama is pulling I'm beginning to wonder.
And as time goes by,I no longer think of Alex Jones as a nutjob.
And thats saying something.
There's a good chance my targeting began during e Clinton administration as well. I don't know if what was going on back then is connected with what's going on now, but it probably is.
RunGsersRun

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486mru wrote:
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There's a good chance my targeting began during e Clinton administration as well. I don't know if what was going on back then is connected with what's going on now, but it probably is.
In the beginning,before I really knew what was happening.
I had people that seemed overly interested in my political views.
I've always been interested in politics and while I may be outspoken in my views I would hardly call myself a radical.

But being a constitutionalist in todays political atmosphere could very well get you targeted.
xyz

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Jun 25, 2013
 
Obama doesnt have the power of a dictator. He has to fight with the legislative branch for everything It was the conservative side that tryed to continue warrentless gps's. & there are plenty of rightwing journalists in the world ready stretch the truth. If your really being ganstalked & your voting for conservatives its like a jewish person voting for Hitler
Mru486

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xyz wrote:
Obama doesnt have the power of a dictator. He has to fight with the legislative branch for everything It was the conservative side that tryed to continue warrentless gps's. & there are plenty of rightwing journalists in the world ready stretch the truth. If your really being ganstalked & your voting for conservatives its like a jewish person voting for Hitler
I wouldn't be able to vote for either party. If jesse venture runs I will vote for him even if he runs with Howard stern.

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Jun 25, 2013
 
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I wouldn't be able to vote for either party. If jesse venture runs I will vote for him even if he runs with Howard stern.
Funny how people say they want a third party. And I can simpathize.
But I think we already got one. And its trying to take over the system behind the scenes.

A couple of years ago, I went to a counselor as part of a vocational program. They told me to fill out a form in the waiting room. I noticed a older man standing there watching me. I tried to speak to him, but he just stood there like a soldier. Then I found that the pen they gave me wouldnt write. After trying several times to make it write, I found that it had a tiny clear plastic piece on it to prevent it from writing.(a nearly invisable cap over the tip of the pen) I removed it and started filling out the form. Then the silent man walked out.
xyz

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Jun 25, 2013
 
I might disagree with everyone on some issue, but if a conservative Republican get in office next time, all the targets are in big trouble
RunGsersRun

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xyz wrote:
Obama doesnt have the power of a dictator. He has to fight with the legislative branch for everything It was the conservative side that tryed to continue warrentless gps's. & there are plenty of rightwing journalists in the world ready stretch the truth. If your really being ganstalked & your voting for conservatives its like a jewish person voting for Hitler
In light of what the obama admin has been up to,I'm not sure how you can say that.
obama makes Nixon look like a choir boy.
But again,it really doesnt matter who's in office.
I've been dealing with shit going up on fifteen years and it hasn't mattered one iota.
ptw

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RunGsersRun wrote:
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In light of what the obama admin has been up to,I'm not sure how you can say that.
obama makes Nixon look like a choir boy.
But again,it really doesnt matter who's in office.
I've been dealing with shit going up on fifteen years and it hasn't mattered one iota.
I'm tending to agree with your concluding premise!

Presidents come and go, and although they can effect policy and direction they're not always the one's (from both parties) that have been sticking around for decades upon decades (in controlled numbers).

And where, but sitting on these House or Senate Oversight Committees, these Judiciary Committees, these Intelligence Committees these Arms and Services Committees and now these Homeland Security Committees etc.

And doing what, but it appears passing/allowing "secret laws" to take shape behind every Americans' backs in the form of violations (privacy, civil/legal rights and liberties)!

These exposed violations, abuses and excesses behind exploitation of clearly unconstitutional (illegal and unwarranted) entity/agency activities may have more to do with the allowable choir itself (legislators), than it's replaced director !

And by design,(inclusive to sheriff's associations and neighborhood watch informants) have filtered down to your local level in the form of community crimes/violations/assaults!

Can victims spell: O S / G S !!
ptw

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And expanding on the subject, while I agree in educating the public; what the recent exposure of NSA domestic surveillance shows everyone of us victims is that without "explicit documentation", nothing would have come to light!

So what that tells me, is unless you have a viable plan beyond just handing out pamplets to the public, your efforts will altimately become completely useless. Because without formal documentation, all you have over time is piece of useless paper, negated by discredited stalking efforts by your corrupt neighborhood cop screwing with your family !

And that plan may want to incorporate continually documenting OS felony crimes/violations with both a baseline and timeline, formally and officially to the departments within the DOJ ( US Atty Gen., FBI, OIG, FOIA) followed up by documenting obstruction of justice, tampering, reprisals, etc., to legislators (as someone else has recommended)! Along with existing published documentation (from which you "don't" have to hop on a plane to china), this becomes YOUR viable "explicit documentation" !!

What is OS / GS if not applications of civil servant entity/agency domestic surveillance abuses? Huh, same as within the NSA ! Go figure!
Mru486

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twilightzone_1 wrote:
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Funny how people say they want a third party. And I can simpathize.
But I think we already got one. And its trying to take over the system behind the scenes.
A couple of years ago, I went to a counselor as part of a vocational program. They told me to fill out a form in the waiting room. I noticed a older man standing there watching me. I tried to speak to him, but he just stood there like a soldier. Then I found that the pen they gave me wouldnt write. After trying several times to make it write, I found that it had a tiny clear plastic piece on it to prevent it from writing.(a nearly invisable cap over the tip of the pen) I removed it and started filling out the form. Then the silent man walked out.
Yeah, I think I've lived that story as well....
Fight Gang Stalking

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Jun 26, 2013
 
ptw wrote:
And expanding on the subject, while I agree in educating the public; what the recent exposure of NSA domestic surveillance shows everyone of us victims is that without "explicit documentation", nothing would have come to light!
So what that tells me, is unless you have a viable plan beyond just handing out pamplets to the public, your efforts will altimately become completely useless. Because without formal documentation, all you have over time is piece of useless paper, negated by discredited stalking efforts by your corrupt neighborhood cop screwing with your family !
And that plan may want to incorporate continually documenting OS felony crimes/violations with both a baseline and timeline, formally and officially to the departments within the DOJ ( US Atty Gen., FBI, OIG, FOIA) followed up by documenting obstruction of justice, tampering, reprisals, etc., to legislators (as someone else has recommended)! Along with existing published documentation (from which you "don't" have to hop on a plane to china), this becomes YOUR viable "explicit documentation" !!
What is OS / GS if not applications of civil servant entity/agency domestic surveillance abuses? Huh, same as within the NSA ! Go figure!
You're right that documents are important for exposing government participation in crimes like gang stalking.

So far, the documents I know of are listed here with links and descriptions of each and why they're important. Visit this website and click on the "Gang Stalking Documents" tab.

FightGangStalking.com
xyz

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RunGsersRun wrote:
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In light of what the obama admin has been up to,I'm not sure how you can say that.
obama makes Nixon look like a choir boy.
But again,it really doesnt matter who's in office.
I've been dealing with shit going up on fifteen years and it hasn't mattered one iota.
did you ever think you had a gps on you car, because the Obama admin got rid mine even though the police harass me whenever they can anyway
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Jun 26, 2013
 
SUPREME COURT: SEXUAL HARASSMENT, DISCRIMINATION OK

Court Deals Blows to Workers Alleging Sexual Harassment, Discrimination

The Supreme Court also struck potential blows to workers who allege sexual harassment and discrimination in the workplace with a pair of decisions Monday. In the first case, the Court narrowly defined a worker’s "supervisor" as someone who can change a person’s employment status, thus limiting legal protections for those harassed by superiors who lack such direct control. In a separate ruling, the Court backed a tighter standard for workers to prove they have been the victims of retaliation after complaining about discrimination. Both rulings were decided by a 5-to-4 vote. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg called on Congress to overturn them with new laws.

http://www.democracynow.org/


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IRS: WE TARGET EVERYONE

Documents Show IRS Targeting of Progressive Groups

Newly surfaced documents show the targeting of certain groups for extra scrutiny by the Internal Revenue Service extended beyond right-wing or tea party organizations. The terms "progressive," "Israel" and "Occupy" all appeared on so-called "be-on-the-lookout" lists used by IRS employees reviewing applications for tax-exempt status. Interim IRS chief Danny Werfel told reporters on a conference call Monday the agency has eliminated the use of such lists and admitted: "There was a wide-ranging set of categories and cases that spanned a broad spectrum." The IRS has apologized for scrutinizing right-wing groups amid a scandal that sparked the exit of several agency officials.

http://www.democracynow.org/

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CHRIS PYLE: WHISTLEBLOWER ON CIA SPYING ON AMERICANS IN THE 70'S

As NSA director General Keith Alexander blasts the leaks that exposed widespread surveillance of Americans, we’re joined by Chris Pyle, a former military instructor who exposed the CIA and Army’s monitoring of millions of Americans in the 1970s.

Pyle discovered the Army and CIA were spying on millions of Americans engaged in lawful political activity while he was in the Army working as an instructor. His revelations prompted Senate hearings, including Senator Frank Church’s Select Committee on Intelligence, ultimately leading to a series of laws aimed at curbing government abuses.

Now teaching constitutional law and civil liberties at Mount Holyoke College, Pyle says the NSA is known for attacking its critics instead of addressing the problems they expose.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/13/chris_p...
Mri486

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Jun 26, 2013
 
xyz wrote:
I might disagree with everyone on some issue, but if a conservative Republican get in office next time, all the targets are in big trouble
They'll start going after abortion clinics again.

Strange how whichever political party is in power almost immediately starts to abuse it's power.
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Jun 26, 2013
 
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IRS: WE TARGET EVERYONE
Documents Show IRS Targeting of Progressive Groups
Newly surfaced documents show the targeting of certain groups for extra scrutiny by the Internal Revenue Service extended beyond right-wing or tea party organizations. The terms "progressive," "Israel" and "Occupy" all appeared on so-called "be-on-the-lookout" lists used by IRS employees reviewing applications for tax-exempt status. Interim IRS chief Danny Werfel told reporters on a conference call Monday the agency has eliminated the use of such lists and admitted: "There was a wide-ranging set of categories and cases that spanned a broad spectrum." The IRS has apologized for scrutinizing right-wing groups amid a scandal that sparked the exit of several agency officials.
http://www.democracynow.org/
Haha, the election was so close. I suppose the best party won, best of a bad breed. Politicians stink.

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