Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
Lilith

Athens, Greece

#7800 Jun 24, 2013
AMERICAN HERO: EDWARD SNOWDEN

Questions and Answers About NSA Spying

Q: Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?

A: NSA likes to use "domestic" as a weasel word here for a number of reasons. The reality is that due to the FISA Amendments Act and its section 702 authorities, Americans’ communications are collected and viewed on a daily basis on the certification of an analyst rather than a warrant. They excuse this as "incidental" collection, but at the end of the day, someone at NSA still has the content of your communications. Even in the event of "warranted" intercept, it's important to understand the intelligence community doesn't always deal with what you would consider a "real" warrant like a Police department would have to, the "warrant" is more of a templated form they fill out and send to a reliable judge with a rubber stamp.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/e...
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7801 Jun 24, 2013
Lilith wrote:
AMERICAN HERO: EDWARD SNOWDEN
Questions and Answers About NSA Spying
Q: Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?
A: NSA likes to use "domestic" as a weasel word here for a number of reasons. The reality is that due to the FISA Amendments Act and its section 702 authorities, Americans’ communications are collected and viewed on a daily basis on the certification of an analyst rather than a warrant. They excuse this as "incidental" collection, but at the end of the day, someone at NSA still has the content of your communications. Even in the event of "warranted" intercept, it's important to understand the intelligence community doesn't always deal with what you would consider a "real" warrant like a Police department would have to, the "warrant" is more of a templated form they fill out and send to a reliable judge with a rubber stamp.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/e...
Considering that the gov't can have you assassinated by drone strike without a trial, and considering that local cops can stalk a city official (Stockton, CA - August 2011 - see the TV news broadcast link and newspaper article link at FightGangStalking.com ), I seriously doubt they would have any reservations about tapping anyone's phone. That's like jay-walking by comparison.
29Palms

Oakland, CA

#7802 Jun 25, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
Considering that the gov't can have you assassinated by drone strike without a trial, and considering that local cops can stalk a city official (Stockton, CA - August 2011 - see the TV news broadcast link and newspaper article link at FightGangStalking.com ), I seriously doubt they would have any reservations about tapping anyone's phone. That's like jay-walking by comparison.
There are tons of government contractors as well who are hired in part because they don't have to follow laws. Snowden says they have access to tapping anyone's phone lines that they want, if they choose to. What are the chances that they won't? They are right out of school and are making gobs of money and probably never leave their computer monitors. They really could start setting up all these mind hacking and social engineering games and they probably do.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7803 Jun 25, 2013
ella wrote:
<quoted text>.........(editing).... There is no government involvement in all cases.
(Where did you hear that, on the internet? You wouldn't be dating a "French model" would you?)

Everyone knows OS/GS is a national crime! A national crime requires a national structure!

OS/GS cannot sustain itself (knowing victims are reporting "felony" OS/GS crimes/violations) "unless" obstruction of justice,(unresponsiveness/mani pulative/deceptive) and investigative tampering takes place on a "national scale" by career employees within any of these federal entities/agencies!(That any victim reporting these felony crimes can verify)!

It doesn't take a genius to realize that national OS/GS felony crimes/violations are perpetuated through nothing less than "victim tracking databases, everyday internal communications and interactions" between, within and among local, county, state and federal "government" employees/entites/agencies ("controlling obstruction")!

Any OS/GS victim knows their privacy is being violated (illegal and unwarranted "mail tampering", eavesdropping and Gps and Cell "national" crimes/violations")!

And now of course we all know of "secret law" prone to abuses by a "national database program" involving USDOJ, Homeland Security that's specific to extending down to sheriff's associations involving neighborhood watch (often made up of retired civil servants/families etc.) tailored toward targeting terrorist yet as it appears secretly adapted to violations of privacy, civil/legal rights and liberties of all Americans!

And if that is not enough, we now all know of confirming "government involved" NSA indiscriminate spying on all Americans!
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7804 Jun 25, 2013
29Palms wrote:
<quoted text>
There are tons of government contractors as well who are hired in part because they don't have to follow laws. Snowden says they have access to tapping anyone's phone lines that they want, if they choose to. What are the chances that they won't? They are right out of school and are making gobs of money and probably never leave their computer monitors. They really could start setting up all these mind hacking and social engineering games and they probably do.
I think you're exactly right - based on everything I've read and experienced. Most organized harassment is perpetrated by civilians with the tacit approval of the local and federal cops - which makes it less likely that anything ever gets exposed or leads to exposure of gov't involvement. And as you suggest, hackers and others don't play by rules (warrants and such).

The only time warrants are needed are when the gov't is seeking to prosecute someone - so they need legally obtained evidence. For stalking and harassing someone, that's not an issue.
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7805 Jun 25, 2013
STASI NATION

International Backlash

On June 18, Germans rallied at a well-known Berlin Wall crossing point called Checkpoint Charlie. Under the motto:“Yes We Scan!” German activists protested against PRISM and NSA surveillance in response to President Barack Obama’s Berlin visit scheduled next Wednesday. Pictures of the rally show protest signs claiming that the Obama administration has become “Stasi 2.0” with the quote “All your data belong to us”.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/spying-...
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7806 Jun 25, 2013
"SECRETS AND LIES!!"

Pelosi Defends NSA Surveillance

Some of the activists attending the annual Netroots Nation political conference Saturday booed and interrupted the San Francisco Democrat when she commented on the surveillance programs carried out by the National Security Agency and revealed by a former contractor, Edward Snowden, The San Jose Mercury News reports ( http://bit.ly/19fB6U4 ).

The boos came when Pelosi said that Snowden had violated the law and that the government needed to strike a balance between security and privacy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/1...
Lilith

Lund, Sweden

#7809 Jun 25, 2013
FBI'S USE OF DRONES IN U.S.: WIDENING CORPORATE-GOVERNMENT TIES

FBI’s Use of Drones for U.S. Surveillance Raises Fears over Privacy, Widening Corporate-Gov’t Ties

The FBI confirmed this week that drones are carrying out surveillance within the United States. FBI Director Robert Mueller called the drone use "very seldom," while acknowledging regulations to address privacy concerns have yet to be completed.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/21/fbis_us...
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7811 Jun 25, 2013
Lilith
In the past I've tried to keep politics out of it,
even though my targeting started during the clinton admin.
But after seeing all the crap obama is pulling I'm beginning to wonder.

And as time goes by,I no longer think of Alex Jones as a nutjob.
And thats saying something.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7812 Jun 25, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
Lilith
In the past I've tried to keep politics out of it,
even though my targeting started during the clinton admin.
But after seeing all the crap obama is pulling I'm beginning to wonder.
And as time goes by,I no longer think of Alex Jones as a nutjob.
And thats saying something.
If it started during the clinton admin, than it had to continue during the eight years of the bush admin.(Dir Mueller has led the FBI beginning with the bush admin and still exists in that position today and as we know these "loose" homeland security programs started during this era involving the all inclusive USDOJ). I'm just saying!

Like you, I'm beginning to think there is alot more ("cowardly, criminal, violating;" there I said it) politics involved hiding behind this corruption than we all realize; otherwise why aren't ALL of our legiislatures not making a BIG stink about recent NSA indiscriminate, illegal and unwarranted spying? Isn't this country's foundation built upon the guaranteed protection of civil rights, civil liberties and privacy?

Where are ALL of our trustworthy, ethical, honest, straightforward legislatures? Why aren't each and everyone defending our (the people's) civil and legal rights, liberties and privacy? Where is this "body's" outrage? Who knew what about the "illicit" application of "secret law, FISA and Patriot/Safe Acts" and subsequent abuses, excesses, violations; and lack of responsible, accountable and culpable "legitimate" oversight (as of other "civil servant" involved crimes/violations/assaults a.k.a. OS/GS)? This ALL involves "civil servants", does it not?
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7813 Jun 25, 2013
ptw wrote:
<quoted text>
If it started during the clinton admin, than it had to continue during the eight years of the bush admin.(Dir Mueller has led the FBI beginning with the bush admin and still exists in that position today and as we know these "loose" homeland security programs started during this era involving the all inclusive USDOJ). I'm just saying!
Like you, I'm beginning to think there is alot more ("cowardly, criminal, violating;" there I said it) politics involved hiding behind this corruption than we all realize; otherwise why aren't ALL of our legiislatures not making a BIG stink about recent NSA indiscriminate, illegal and unwarranted spying? Isn't this country's foundation built upon the guaranteed protection of civil rights, civil liberties and privacy?
Where are ALL of our trustworthy, ethical, honest, straightforward legislatures? Why aren't each and everyone defending our (the people's) civil and legal rights, liberties and privacy? Where is this "body's" outrage? Who knew what about the "illicit" application of "secret law, FISA and Patriot/Safe Acts" and subsequent abuses, excesses, violations; and lack of responsible, accountable and culpable "legitimate" oversight (as of other "civil servant" involved crimes/violations/assaults a.k.a. OS/GS)? This ALL involves "civil servants", does it not?
True enough. You dont see either side putting a stop to it.
I think my feelings may be swayed by the sheer amount of info coming out these days.
In other words,the dems have been caught red handed.
Another thing I've noticed is the Republicans going after Snowden when most of us think of him as a hero.
Getting to be such a disconnect with the American people on both sides of the aisle.
Americans distrust of government is at an all time high.
486mru

San Francisco, CA

#7814 Jun 25, 2013
My car was vandalized while I was parked next to a police station. Of course I don't know who did it. But, I called thinking that I might try to report the crime to the police. The woman on the phone said that I could report it online.

I then said that I felt I was being gang stalked and asked her if she knew anything about that particular crime. She said she had never heard of gang stalking. I asked again just to make certain. She said that she had never heard of gang stalking. This, of course, means to me that either the police were the ones who vandalized my car or they are choosing to allow gangs to do gang stalking.

I was in a mental health meeting and was talking about my paranoias and panic attacks related to the stalking. A woman in the meeting got up and left after I spoke. The woman running the meeting went out after her. This particular woman had changed her diagnoses from the last meeting. After the meeting the first women, not the mediator, was still there sitting in her car and was parked next to my car so she had been sitting there for half of the meeting. The woman who runs the meeting had commented on my political affiliations so I assume she was thinking that I am a tea party member. I have sort of wondered if my targeting was related to gossip that I'm in the tea party, which I'm not. Nt even close.. I'm no longer affiliated with the democrats because they gang stalk, however. I am pretty clear that these meetings are offered by the government in order to keep control of targets. This meeting asks you for your diagnoses, name, phone number and email address. I had to change location from another meeting because of a couple of guys who would consistory show up after I did and would leave rig after I spoke. The one guy showed up late dressed in a soccer uniform and spent the entire meeting talking about how tired he was. It was so creepy. As I said he left right after I spoke.
486mru

San Francisco, CA

#7815 Jun 25, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
Lilith
In the past I've tried to keep politics out of it,
even though my targeting started during the clinton admin.
But after seeing all the crap obama is pulling I'm beginning to wonder.
And as time goes by,I no longer think of Alex Jones as a nutjob.
And thats saying something.
There's a good chance my targeting began during e Clinton administration as well. I don't know if what was going on back then is connected with what's going on now, but it probably is.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7816 Jun 25, 2013
486mru wrote:
<quoted text>
There's a good chance my targeting began during e Clinton administration as well. I don't know if what was going on back then is connected with what's going on now, but it probably is.
In the beginning,before I really knew what was happening.
I had people that seemed overly interested in my political views.
I've always been interested in politics and while I may be outspoken in my views I would hardly call myself a radical.

But being a constitutionalist in todays political atmosphere could very well get you targeted.
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7817 Jun 25, 2013
Obama doesnt have the power of a dictator. He has to fight with the legislative branch for everything It was the conservative side that tryed to continue warrentless gps's. & there are plenty of rightwing journalists in the world ready stretch the truth. If your really being ganstalked & your voting for conservatives its like a jewish person voting for Hitler
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#7818 Jun 25, 2013
xyz wrote:
Obama doesnt have the power of a dictator. He has to fight with the legislative branch for everything It was the conservative side that tryed to continue warrentless gps's. & there are plenty of rightwing journalists in the world ready stretch the truth. If your really being ganstalked & your voting for conservatives its like a jewish person voting for Hitler
I wouldn't be able to vote for either party. If jesse venture runs I will vote for him even if he runs with Howard stern.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7819 Jun 25, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't be able to vote for either party. If jesse venture runs I will vote for him even if he runs with Howard stern.
Funny how people say they want a third party. And I can simpathize.
But I think we already got one. And its trying to take over the system behind the scenes.

A couple of years ago, I went to a counselor as part of a vocational program. They told me to fill out a form in the waiting room. I noticed a older man standing there watching me. I tried to speak to him, but he just stood there like a soldier. Then I found that the pen they gave me wouldnt write. After trying several times to make it write, I found that it had a tiny clear plastic piece on it to prevent it from writing.(a nearly invisable cap over the tip of the pen) I removed it and started filling out the form. Then the silent man walked out.
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7820 Jun 25, 2013
I might disagree with everyone on some issue, but if a conservative Republican get in office next time, all the targets are in big trouble
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7821 Jun 25, 2013
xyz wrote:
Obama doesnt have the power of a dictator. He has to fight with the legislative branch for everything It was the conservative side that tryed to continue warrentless gps's. & there are plenty of rightwing journalists in the world ready stretch the truth. If your really being ganstalked & your voting for conservatives its like a jewish person voting for Hitler
In light of what the obama admin has been up to,I'm not sure how you can say that.
obama makes Nixon look like a choir boy.
But again,it really doesnt matter who's in office.
I've been dealing with shit going up on fifteen years and it hasn't mattered one iota.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7822 Jun 25, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
<quoted text>
In light of what the obama admin has been up to,I'm not sure how you can say that.
obama makes Nixon look like a choir boy.
But again,it really doesnt matter who's in office.
I've been dealing with shit going up on fifteen years and it hasn't mattered one iota.
I'm tending to agree with your concluding premise!

Presidents come and go, and although they can effect policy and direction they're not always the one's (from both parties) that have been sticking around for decades upon decades (in controlled numbers).

And where, but sitting on these House or Senate Oversight Committees, these Judiciary Committees, these Intelligence Committees these Arms and Services Committees and now these Homeland Security Committees etc.

And doing what, but it appears passing/allowing "secret laws" to take shape behind every Americans' backs in the form of violations (privacy, civil/legal rights and liberties)!

These exposed violations, abuses and excesses behind exploitation of clearly unconstitutional (illegal and unwarranted) entity/agency activities may have more to do with the allowable choir itself (legislators), than it's replaced director !

And by design,(inclusive to sheriff's associations and neighborhood watch informants) have filtered down to your local level in the form of community crimes/violations/assaults!

Can victims spell: O S / G S !!

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Top Stories in the Blogosphere Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
hair cut stories of sikh boys and girls (Sep '09) 10 hr RIP Me 4,691
My wife likes young guys (Aug '10) Sun Gmann 12
Is it just me, or do some Pakistani and North I... (Jul '13) Jul 4 daniel 20
To All Asian Women: Do you like Black Men? (Nov '08) Jul 3 iamgregw 10,335
News Rumsfeld Needs to Go: Retired Generals Tell Con... (Sep '06) Jul 3 New York Compost 24
Poll Why Do White Women Love Black Men? (Sep '08) Jul 3 UnderstandPeople 2,300
Optifast 800 calorie diet (Dec '06) Jul 1 Handygirl 5,561
More from around the web