xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7791 Jun 24, 2013
ella wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, indeed, a lot of people participate in gangstalking, seniors, even children. It's incredible how these 'leaders' can engage even their own children in what they do. They even installed cameras in my apartment to spy on me. They are married man, with children, but don't have a problem in watching me in the shower or others... And their wives know, they are probably watching together. I want people to know what they do to me. I hope many people are reading this. These people think they can control people's lives and it's exactly what they do. What shocks me the most is HOW MANY participate, how many...it's incredible how they think is funny what they do...
I know what you mean I have the same problem I have had parents send children as young as 5 to harass me
you would think the parents get in trouble for child abuse & have there children sent to a child protection agency. Its evil as hell around here. the police my be involved, buy a book on yoga
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7792 Jun 24, 2013
US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE:
STALKING VICTIMIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

The number of victims reporting between 3 and 10 stalkers was just over 400,000 or 11.5%. The number of victims reporting between 11 and 50 stalkers was in excess of 45,000, or 1.4 %. The number of victims who didn’t know how many stalkers they had was in excess of 220,000 or 6.5%. Combined, the number of victims who either didn’t know how many stalkers they had or who reported between 11 and 50 stalkers was in excess of 265,000, or 8%. It’s worth mentioning here that an estimated 50% of stalking victims do not report the crime, so we really don’t know how many victims of organized stalking are suffering in the United States.

http://multistalkervictims.org/svus.pdf
Harpie

Kaukauna, WI

#7793 Jun 24, 2013
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>I know what you mean I have the same problem I have had parents send children as young as 5 to harass me
you would think the parents get in trouble for child abuse & have there children sent to a child protection agency. Its evil as hell around here. the police my be involved, buy a book on yoga
They watch kids in the bathroom too..........there is no telling what type of Gov't we have now that would allow this.
ella

Mercer Island, WA

#7794 Jun 24, 2013
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>I know what you mean I have the same problem I have had parents send children as young as 5 to harass me
you would think the parents get in trouble for child abuse & have there children sent to a child protection agency. Its evil as hell around here. the police my be involved, buy a book on yoga
The ones that don't take stalking seriously and post stupid comments on this forum are the ones that actually stalk. There is no government involvement in all cases, police maybe, because they have been brainwashed to believe that they help, but they actually break the law and engage so many others in stalking instead of doing the right thing and putting the ones responsible for all the damage where they belong. But they are all corrupted and would do anything for money or a promotion, including forcefully control somebody else's life.
Mru486

Oakland, CA

#7795 Jun 24, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe Hastings was not (officially) under investigation, but maybe he was targeted for gang stalking. He pissed-off some very powerful people.
All the people he reported on and criticized were government officials by the way - not criminal gangs.
That makes sense to me. That's one of the many things about gang stalking which is undemocratic. It's a conviction of crime which isn't really a crime. Hastings even wrote an article about psyops being used on politicians in order to get funding. I suspect that the military uses civilians to commit the crimes. When they use illegal immigrants there is no paper trail, no guilty citizen to be tried. I think my stalking began with gangs and then others joined in. I watched some videos of Michael Hastings and he seemed pretty amped, like he was in the state of mind where he could jack knife his car.

Do you know if they are investigating the crash?
Thirtythreenails

Lafayette, CA

#7796 Jun 24, 2013
Thirtythreenails

Lafayette, CA

#7797 Jun 24, 2013
How Michael Hastings car could have been hacked to explode.

Dr. Kathleen fisher from DARPA.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Thirtythreenails

Lafayette, CA

#7798 Jun 24, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7799 Jun 24, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
That makes sense to me. That's one of the many things about gang stalking which is undemocratic. It's a conviction of crime which isn't really a crime. Hastings even wrote an article about psyops being used on politicians in order to get funding. I suspect that the military uses civilians to commit the crimes. When they use illegal immigrants there is no paper trail, no guilty citizen to be tried. I think my stalking began with gangs and then others joined in. I watched some videos of Michael Hastings and he seemed pretty amped, like he was in the state of mind where he could jack knife his car.
Do you know if they are investigating the crash?
Regarding whether they are investigating the crash....

About ten seconds after the crash, the LAPD announced that there was definitely no foul play ("nothing to see here folks"). Just like the FBI recently announced their finding that 100 percent of FBI shootings were found to be justified. Even the New York Times was skeptical about that one.

When even the gov't shills at the NY Times are expressing skepticism, you know that the wheels are starting to come off the machine. There's a reason the gov't is so nervous about Edward Snowden's NSA revelations - and it isn't that they're afraid for "national security" reasons. They're worried that the public is starting to realize that a bunch of lying rodents are running the gov't.

Unfortunately for the FBI/CIA/NSA/LAPD, the American public is VERY suspicious about the Michael Hastings case - because of all the recent scandals. The case is not likely to go away for the public - even if the cops try to cover it up. The comments being posted all over the Internet are very revealing about how much Americans trust law enforcement officials these days.

Of course, it's possible it was just an accident - although a very strange one which involved lots of coincidences. Either way, people will be suspicious since the gov't has been caught so many times recently lying to the public (like the trolls constantly do in these online forums).

FightGangStalking.com
Lilith

Athens, Greece

#7800 Jun 24, 2013
AMERICAN HERO: EDWARD SNOWDEN

Questions and Answers About NSA Spying

Q: Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?

A: NSA likes to use "domestic" as a weasel word here for a number of reasons. The reality is that due to the FISA Amendments Act and its section 702 authorities, Americans’ communications are collected and viewed on a daily basis on the certification of an analyst rather than a warrant. They excuse this as "incidental" collection, but at the end of the day, someone at NSA still has the content of your communications. Even in the event of "warranted" intercept, it's important to understand the intelligence community doesn't always deal with what you would consider a "real" warrant like a Police department would have to, the "warrant" is more of a templated form they fill out and send to a reliable judge with a rubber stamp.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/e...
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7801 Jun 24, 2013
Lilith wrote:
AMERICAN HERO: EDWARD SNOWDEN
Questions and Answers About NSA Spying
Q: Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?
A: NSA likes to use "domestic" as a weasel word here for a number of reasons. The reality is that due to the FISA Amendments Act and its section 702 authorities, Americans’ communications are collected and viewed on a daily basis on the certification of an analyst rather than a warrant. They excuse this as "incidental" collection, but at the end of the day, someone at NSA still has the content of your communications. Even in the event of "warranted" intercept, it's important to understand the intelligence community doesn't always deal with what you would consider a "real" warrant like a Police department would have to, the "warrant" is more of a templated form they fill out and send to a reliable judge with a rubber stamp.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/e...
Considering that the gov't can have you assassinated by drone strike without a trial, and considering that local cops can stalk a city official (Stockton, CA - August 2011 - see the TV news broadcast link and newspaper article link at FightGangStalking.com ), I seriously doubt they would have any reservations about tapping anyone's phone. That's like jay-walking by comparison.
29Palms

Oakland, CA

#7802 Jun 25, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
Considering that the gov't can have you assassinated by drone strike without a trial, and considering that local cops can stalk a city official (Stockton, CA - August 2011 - see the TV news broadcast link and newspaper article link at FightGangStalking.com ), I seriously doubt they would have any reservations about tapping anyone's phone. That's like jay-walking by comparison.
There are tons of government contractors as well who are hired in part because they don't have to follow laws. Snowden says they have access to tapping anyone's phone lines that they want, if they choose to. What are the chances that they won't? They are right out of school and are making gobs of money and probably never leave their computer monitors. They really could start setting up all these mind hacking and social engineering games and they probably do.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7803 Jun 25, 2013
ella wrote:
<quoted text>.........(editing).... There is no government involvement in all cases.
(Where did you hear that, on the internet? You wouldn't be dating a "French model" would you?)

Everyone knows OS/GS is a national crime! A national crime requires a national structure!

OS/GS cannot sustain itself (knowing victims are reporting "felony" OS/GS crimes/violations) "unless" obstruction of justice,(unresponsiveness/mani pulative/deceptive) and investigative tampering takes place on a "national scale" by career employees within any of these federal entities/agencies!(That any victim reporting these felony crimes can verify)!

It doesn't take a genius to realize that national OS/GS felony crimes/violations are perpetuated through nothing less than "victim tracking databases, everyday internal communications and interactions" between, within and among local, county, state and federal "government" employees/entites/agencies ("controlling obstruction")!

Any OS/GS victim knows their privacy is being violated (illegal and unwarranted "mail tampering", eavesdropping and Gps and Cell "national" crimes/violations")!

And now of course we all know of "secret law" prone to abuses by a "national database program" involving USDOJ, Homeland Security that's specific to extending down to sheriff's associations involving neighborhood watch (often made up of retired civil servants/families etc.) tailored toward targeting terrorist yet as it appears secretly adapted to violations of privacy, civil/legal rights and liberties of all Americans!

And if that is not enough, we now all know of confirming "government involved" NSA indiscriminate spying on all Americans!
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7804 Jun 25, 2013
29Palms wrote:
<quoted text>
There are tons of government contractors as well who are hired in part because they don't have to follow laws. Snowden says they have access to tapping anyone's phone lines that they want, if they choose to. What are the chances that they won't? They are right out of school and are making gobs of money and probably never leave their computer monitors. They really could start setting up all these mind hacking and social engineering games and they probably do.
I think you're exactly right - based on everything I've read and experienced. Most organized harassment is perpetrated by civilians with the tacit approval of the local and federal cops - which makes it less likely that anything ever gets exposed or leads to exposure of gov't involvement. And as you suggest, hackers and others don't play by rules (warrants and such).

The only time warrants are needed are when the gov't is seeking to prosecute someone - so they need legally obtained evidence. For stalking and harassing someone, that's not an issue.
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7805 Jun 25, 2013
STASI NATION

International Backlash

On June 18, Germans rallied at a well-known Berlin Wall crossing point called Checkpoint Charlie. Under the motto:“Yes We Scan!” German activists protested against PRISM and NSA surveillance in response to President Barack Obama’s Berlin visit scheduled next Wednesday. Pictures of the rally show protest signs claiming that the Obama administration has become “Stasi 2.0” with the quote “All your data belong to us”.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/spying-...
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7806 Jun 25, 2013
"SECRETS AND LIES!!"

Pelosi Defends NSA Surveillance

Some of the activists attending the annual Netroots Nation political conference Saturday booed and interrupted the San Francisco Democrat when she commented on the surveillance programs carried out by the National Security Agency and revealed by a former contractor, Edward Snowden, The San Jose Mercury News reports ( http://bit.ly/19fB6U4 ).

The boos came when Pelosi said that Snowden had violated the law and that the government needed to strike a balance between security and privacy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/1...
Lilith

Lund, Sweden

#7809 Jun 25, 2013
FBI'S USE OF DRONES IN U.S.: WIDENING CORPORATE-GOVERNMENT TIES

FBI’s Use of Drones for U.S. Surveillance Raises Fears over Privacy, Widening Corporate-Gov’t Ties

The FBI confirmed this week that drones are carrying out surveillance within the United States. FBI Director Robert Mueller called the drone use "very seldom," while acknowledging regulations to address privacy concerns have yet to be completed.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/21/fbis_us...
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7811 Jun 25, 2013
Lilith
In the past I've tried to keep politics out of it,
even though my targeting started during the clinton admin.
But after seeing all the crap obama is pulling I'm beginning to wonder.

And as time goes by,I no longer think of Alex Jones as a nutjob.
And thats saying something.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7812 Jun 25, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
Lilith
In the past I've tried to keep politics out of it,
even though my targeting started during the clinton admin.
But after seeing all the crap obama is pulling I'm beginning to wonder.
And as time goes by,I no longer think of Alex Jones as a nutjob.
And thats saying something.
If it started during the clinton admin, than it had to continue during the eight years of the bush admin.(Dir Mueller has led the FBI beginning with the bush admin and still exists in that position today and as we know these "loose" homeland security programs started during this era involving the all inclusive USDOJ). I'm just saying!

Like you, I'm beginning to think there is alot more ("cowardly, criminal, violating;" there I said it) politics involved hiding behind this corruption than we all realize; otherwise why aren't ALL of our legiislatures not making a BIG stink about recent NSA indiscriminate, illegal and unwarranted spying? Isn't this country's foundation built upon the guaranteed protection of civil rights, civil liberties and privacy?

Where are ALL of our trustworthy, ethical, honest, straightforward legislatures? Why aren't each and everyone defending our (the people's) civil and legal rights, liberties and privacy? Where is this "body's" outrage? Who knew what about the "illicit" application of "secret law, FISA and Patriot/Safe Acts" and subsequent abuses, excesses, violations; and lack of responsible, accountable and culpable "legitimate" oversight (as of other "civil servant" involved crimes/violations/assaults a.k.a. OS/GS)? This ALL involves "civil servants", does it not?
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7813 Jun 25, 2013
ptw wrote:
<quoted text>
If it started during the clinton admin, than it had to continue during the eight years of the bush admin.(Dir Mueller has led the FBI beginning with the bush admin and still exists in that position today and as we know these "loose" homeland security programs started during this era involving the all inclusive USDOJ). I'm just saying!
Like you, I'm beginning to think there is alot more ("cowardly, criminal, violating;" there I said it) politics involved hiding behind this corruption than we all realize; otherwise why aren't ALL of our legiislatures not making a BIG stink about recent NSA indiscriminate, illegal and unwarranted spying? Isn't this country's foundation built upon the guaranteed protection of civil rights, civil liberties and privacy?
Where are ALL of our trustworthy, ethical, honest, straightforward legislatures? Why aren't each and everyone defending our (the people's) civil and legal rights, liberties and privacy? Where is this "body's" outrage? Who knew what about the "illicit" application of "secret law, FISA and Patriot/Safe Acts" and subsequent abuses, excesses, violations; and lack of responsible, accountable and culpable "legitimate" oversight (as of other "civil servant" involved crimes/violations/assaults a.k.a. OS/GS)? This ALL involves "civil servants", does it not?
True enough. You dont see either side putting a stop to it.
I think my feelings may be swayed by the sheer amount of info coming out these days.
In other words,the dems have been caught red handed.
Another thing I've noticed is the Republicans going after Snowden when most of us think of him as a hero.
Getting to be such a disconnect with the American people on both sides of the aisle.
Americans distrust of government is at an all time high.

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