Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
ella

Mercer Island, WA

#7780 Jun 23, 2013
FormerLAer wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is paying you to post here? I've noticed that a lot of ugly, older men participate in gangstalking.
Yes, indeed, a lot of people participate in gangstalking, seniors, even children. It's incredible how these 'leaders' can engage even their own children in what they do. They even installed cameras in my apartment to spy on me. They are married man, with children, but don't have a problem in watching me in the shower or others... And their wives know, they are probably watching together. I want people to know what they do to me. I hope many people are reading this. These people think they can control people's lives and it's exactly what they do. What shocks me the most is HOW MANY participate, how many...it's incredible how they think is funny what they do...
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7781 Jun 23, 2013
Theres a concept from sociology called the Echman principle, they put a person who looked like a athority figure in a room with a suit on & short hair probably a large person. Then they put another person in another room with a window in it, so you could see the person behind the glass. Then they brought in another person & the person who was precieved to be a authority figure told the 3rd person to press a button & the person behind the glass would recieve a painful shock, They wanted to see if they wrould do it, but the shock was not real

So from this they decided that if a person was told to torture some one buy a authority figure a certain percentage of people would do it some would not

So the question is who are the precieved authority figures who are giving the commands?

I hope they dont kill me for this but I think it might be the police?

feel free to tell me I'm wrong
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7782 Jun 23, 2013
xyz wrote:
Theres a concept from sociology called the Echman principle, they put a person who looked like a athority figure in a room with a suit on & short hair probably a large person. Then they put another person in another room with a window in it, so you could see the person behind the glass. Then they brought in another person & the person who was precieved to be a authority figure told the 3rd person to press a button & the person behind the glass would recieve a painful shock, They wanted to see if they wrould do it, but the shock was not real
So from this they decided that if a person was told to torture some one buy a authority figure a certain percentage of people would do it some would not
So the question is who are the precieved authority figures who are giving the commands?
I hope they dont kill me for this but I think it might be the police?
feel free to tell me I'm wrong
Milgram experiment
The experimenter (E) orders the teacher (T), the subject of the experiment, to give what the latter believes are painful electric shocks to a learner (L), who is actually an actor and confederate. The subject believes that for each wrong answer, the learner was receiving actual electric shocks, though in reality there were no such punishments. Being separated from the subject, the confederate set up a tape recorder integrated with the electro-shock generator, which played pre-recorded sounds for each shock level.[1]

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experime...
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7783 Jun 23, 2013
Lilith wrote:
<quoted text>
Milgram experiment
The experimenter (E) orders the teacher (T), the subject of the experiment, to give what the latter believes are painful electric shocks to a learner (L), who is actually an actor and confederate. The subject believes that for each wrong answer, the learner was receiving actual electric shocks, though in reality there were no such punishments. Being separated from the subject, the confederate set up a tape recorder integrated with the electro-shock generator, which played pre-recorded sounds for each shock level.[1]
The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experime...
how does this relate to gangstalking?
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7784 Jun 23, 2013
?
Lilith

Prague, Czech Republic

#7785 Jun 23, 2013
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>how does this relate to gangstalking?
You're the one that brought it up. You must have SOME concept of how it "relates to gangstalking".
Lilith

Prague, Czech Republic

#7786 Jun 23, 2013
Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:

The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects'[participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects'[participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[6]
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#7787 Jun 23, 2013
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>how does this relate to gangstalking?
If uthority figures are controlling the gang stalking its pretty easy to see how this relates to gang stalking, isn't it?

Gang stalking is also probably connected with mob mentality and gossips. It seems to be run by Obama, that's for sure.

I just went to a public service meeting in which the leader madecomments about my political affiliations. i dont know this freak at all. I dont have political affiliations at this point other than to feel gross fear about what obama seems to be doing. the leader of the group and one of the members went outside together. My car was vandalized in the parking lot. When I went outside it so happened that the woman was parked next tome and wasn't very friendly. Police cars start storming through the parking lot. Apparently there really are spies at all the social service meetings and if you don't heil Obama you are dead meat.

Pretty weird to use this type of meeting to harass people for politics, especially when they are lying about the politics. I even noticed that a woman with the same name as one of the women got onto one of these forums and started chatting up Eleanor white, whoever or whatever Eleanor white is.

I called the police station and dispatch said they had never heard about gang stalking or organized stalking. Same town where another woman claimed to be gang stalked.
Mru486

San Jose, CA

#7788 Jun 23, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
Is anyone else in this forum following this?
Disturbing email from Michael Hastings published
“Michael Hastings, the BuzzFeed and Rolling Stone reporter killed in a car crash June 18, sent an email to friends warning that the “Feds are interviewing my ‘close friends and associates.’” In the email, published by Los Angeles television station KTLA 5 Friday, Hastings also said he was “onto a big story, and need to go off the radar for a bit.”
Hastings was killed the next day in an early-morning solo-car crash in Los Angeles. The email is sure to fuel now-widespread conspiracy theories alleging foul play in Hastings’ death.”
http://www.ibtimes.com/michael-hastings-email...
FightGangStalking.com
Kind of weird reporting. They could ask which Feds were asking questions and they could let us know if the FBI is investigating since they say it wasnt thefbi. Feds could mean military or CIA. Or it could be a gang pretending to be Feds.
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7789 Jun 24, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
Kind of weird reporting. They could ask which Feds were asking questions and they could let us know if the FBI is investigating since they say it wasnt thefbi. Feds could mean military or CIA. Or it could be a gang pretending to be Feds.
Maybe Hastings was not (officially) under investigation, but maybe he was targeted for gang stalking. He pissed-off some very powerful people.

All the people he reported on and criticized were government officials by the way - not criminal gangs.
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7790 Jun 24, 2013
Lilith wrote:
Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:
The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects'[participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects'[participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.
Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[6]
Sorry about that I was trying to go to work & write at the same time I can see now that the study you were talking about sounds very similar to the Ichman principle, alot of people must have come to the same conclusion, people need to learn to think before they blindly follow authority, unfortunatly were all very scared of authority & for good reason . if thay will torture others they will torture us. also dont pay any attention to the posts with the stupid symbols I have to do that to get my post to go through.
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7791 Jun 24, 2013
ella wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, indeed, a lot of people participate in gangstalking, seniors, even children. It's incredible how these 'leaders' can engage even their own children in what they do. They even installed cameras in my apartment to spy on me. They are married man, with children, but don't have a problem in watching me in the shower or others... And their wives know, they are probably watching together. I want people to know what they do to me. I hope many people are reading this. These people think they can control people's lives and it's exactly what they do. What shocks me the most is HOW MANY participate, how many...it's incredible how they think is funny what they do...
I know what you mean I have the same problem I have had parents send children as young as 5 to harass me
you would think the parents get in trouble for child abuse & have there children sent to a child protection agency. Its evil as hell around here. the police my be involved, buy a book on yoga
Lilith

Anonymous Proxy

#7792 Jun 24, 2013
US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE:
STALKING VICTIMIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

The number of victims reporting between 3 and 10 stalkers was just over 400,000 or 11.5%. The number of victims reporting between 11 and 50 stalkers was in excess of 45,000, or 1.4 %. The number of victims who didn’t know how many stalkers they had was in excess of 220,000 or 6.5%. Combined, the number of victims who either didn’t know how many stalkers they had or who reported between 11 and 50 stalkers was in excess of 265,000, or 8%. It’s worth mentioning here that an estimated 50% of stalking victims do not report the crime, so we really don’t know how many victims of organized stalking are suffering in the United States.

http://multistalkervictims.org/svus.pdf
Harpie

Kaukauna, WI

#7793 Jun 24, 2013
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>I know what you mean I have the same problem I have had parents send children as young as 5 to harass me
you would think the parents get in trouble for child abuse & have there children sent to a child protection agency. Its evil as hell around here. the police my be involved, buy a book on yoga
They watch kids in the bathroom too..........there is no telling what type of Gov't we have now that would allow this.
ella

Mercer Island, WA

#7794 Jun 24, 2013
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>I know what you mean I have the same problem I have had parents send children as young as 5 to harass me
you would think the parents get in trouble for child abuse & have there children sent to a child protection agency. Its evil as hell around here. the police my be involved, buy a book on yoga
The ones that don't take stalking seriously and post stupid comments on this forum are the ones that actually stalk. There is no government involvement in all cases, police maybe, because they have been brainwashed to believe that they help, but they actually break the law and engage so many others in stalking instead of doing the right thing and putting the ones responsible for all the damage where they belong. But they are all corrupted and would do anything for money or a promotion, including forcefully control somebody else's life.
Mru486

Oakland, CA

#7795 Jun 24, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe Hastings was not (officially) under investigation, but maybe he was targeted for gang stalking. He pissed-off some very powerful people.
All the people he reported on and criticized were government officials by the way - not criminal gangs.
That makes sense to me. That's one of the many things about gang stalking which is undemocratic. It's a conviction of crime which isn't really a crime. Hastings even wrote an article about psyops being used on politicians in order to get funding. I suspect that the military uses civilians to commit the crimes. When they use illegal immigrants there is no paper trail, no guilty citizen to be tried. I think my stalking began with gangs and then others joined in. I watched some videos of Michael Hastings and he seemed pretty amped, like he was in the state of mind where he could jack knife his car.

Do you know if they are investigating the crash?
Thirtythreenails

Lafayette, CA

#7796 Jun 24, 2013
Thirtythreenails

Lafayette, CA

#7797 Jun 24, 2013
How Michael Hastings car could have been hacked to explode.

Dr. Kathleen fisher from DARPA.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Thirtythreenails

Lafayette, CA

#7798 Jun 24, 2013
Fight Gang Stalking

La Puente, CA

#7799 Jun 24, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
That makes sense to me. That's one of the many things about gang stalking which is undemocratic. It's a conviction of crime which isn't really a crime. Hastings even wrote an article about psyops being used on politicians in order to get funding. I suspect that the military uses civilians to commit the crimes. When they use illegal immigrants there is no paper trail, no guilty citizen to be tried. I think my stalking began with gangs and then others joined in. I watched some videos of Michael Hastings and he seemed pretty amped, like he was in the state of mind where he could jack knife his car.
Do you know if they are investigating the crash?
Regarding whether they are investigating the crash....

About ten seconds after the crash, the LAPD announced that there was definitely no foul play ("nothing to see here folks"). Just like the FBI recently announced their finding that 100 percent of FBI shootings were found to be justified. Even the New York Times was skeptical about that one.

When even the gov't shills at the NY Times are expressing skepticism, you know that the wheels are starting to come off the machine. There's a reason the gov't is so nervous about Edward Snowden's NSA revelations - and it isn't that they're afraid for "national security" reasons. They're worried that the public is starting to realize that a bunch of lying rodents are running the gov't.

Unfortunately for the FBI/CIA/NSA/LAPD, the American public is VERY suspicious about the Michael Hastings case - because of all the recent scandals. The case is not likely to go away for the public - even if the cops try to cover it up. The comments being posted all over the Internet are very revealing about how much Americans trust law enforcement officials these days.

Of course, it's possible it was just an accident - although a very strange one which involved lots of coincidences. Either way, people will be suspicious since the gov't has been caught so many times recently lying to the public (like the trolls constantly do in these online forums).

FightGangStalking.com

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