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May 28, 2013
 
twilightzone_1 wrote:
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...I always want to ask stalking victims what happened BEFORE the stalking.....
I've noticed you're a little dismissive of the one common victim expressed, "cop involvement (corruption/abuse/misconduct/c rimes/violations)," to OS criminality?...... In favor of "changing the discussion."... I've also noticed (as someone else previously with the comment "word salad"), that you've intoduced the following topics, over "seven pages"? Really? Pardon me, but if you've been a victim since 1980, why haven't you figured anything out for yourself by now? Who are you, really?

homies,
white collar and professionals,
hazing,
HUMAN TRAFFICKING,
DRUGS, PROSTITUTION,
con-artist,
ponzie schemes,
syndicate,
Gypsy culture,
hybristophillia (felon fetish) and munchausen by proxy (sick baby syndrome),

mobster mode,
tribes,
book "Son of a Grifter,"
Church of Scientology,
unlicensed pimps or drug dealers,
Lords of Dicipline,
Manson Family,
Mexican Mafia,
World Bank,
travelers,

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May 28, 2013
 
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...... Do you think unlicensed pimps or drug dealers could be the problem? And maybe some corruption going up the ladder into law enforcement, business and state job positions could be a factor?
Ever heard of the Lords of Dicipline?
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb925...
PTW:
I certainly have discussed corruption. Including in police And I posted the link to the story on the Lords of Dicipline.

Where did you get 1980 as the year it began??? I dont nessissarily disagree with anything you have said. Why are you asking me who I am? We use screen names around here. For very good reasons. Are you telling me what topics I can and cant discuss on the forum? I wanted to change the topic because it was degenerating into a political arguement. I didnt want it to go into a Democrat/Republican arguement because I think the problem runs across all lines. And yes, It has to do with corruption.
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#7587
May 28, 2013
 
Apologize for 1980, I see you were quoting another........

Got to agree though, you've been all over the "word salad" spectrum??

I agree OS crime does involve politics as with policy/entity/agency corruption,(the two are intertwined through corruption, obstructive and tampering involvement [to a matter of degree or level] by employed career civil servants within, between and among these entities/agencies and a quasi-professional / political environment)! A degeneration (maybe in the short run), but an natural, evolutionary informative course (in the long run for victims)!

OS is as much about "saving one's civil servant physical ass" from identified involvement in felony crimes/violations/cover ups involving compadres at the lower order spectrum, as it involves database corruption (victim tracking), and eventually higher chain of command (often politically elected/appointed) obstruction, corruption and investigative tampering (favors)! If you know anything about this corruption, these are two of its major components: Engage in felony crimes by what ever means; and cover it up by what ever means!

Anyone will find this out, and confirm it over time as they formally and repeatedly pursue (document) every element of this corruption over years, as it takes you on a proverbial ride through entities/agencies/individuals; employing an all too common, uncanny, systemic practice involving "depraved indifference, obstruction of justice, investigative tampering" and my personal favorite, "unresponsiveness," (as if this is a "cure all" vs. an obvious "admission of guilt")! Go figure!

Politics? You bet! Degenerative politics? Not to sound cynical, but is there any other kind involving corruption targeting victims? Point is, by working it out, we get a better understanding of the (career/elected/appointed civil servant employee, institutional/organizational, entity/agency) constitutional violating corruption behind all OS !
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#7588
May 28, 2013
 
On a website, they were calling stalking groups, "cells". Sounds like a pretty good description and an alternative to "group stalking".

Just an FYI.

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May 28, 2013
 
My neighbors suck wrote:
On a website, they were calling stalking groups, "cells". Sounds like a pretty good description and an alternative to "group stalking".
Just an FYI.
That reminded me of something. A long time ago, I was watching a network program about terrorists. The reporter was saying that the foreign terrorists were just really similar to our own criminals here. I think that was intended to put the viewers at ease. But if thats true, then its also true from the opposite direction.

Our common criminals are similar to terrorists. And when they form a group for the intent of stalking, intimidation burglary, or whetever, they are acting as a criminal (or terrorist) cell. Arent they? By this definition, the Manson family would be a terrorist cell, wouldnt they? Reminds me of the old LIFE magazine cover with Manson on it. It said Love and Terror Cult.
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May 28, 2013
 
Gangstalkers are absolutely flabbergasted and gasping for air when a TI ignores a sensitization skit. They are completely dumbfounded even when the TI is finally desensitized with the psychological scam. Desperately, they will try too hard to get a TI's attention and make the con look believable, and would actually settle for a taste of their own medicine just to get a response from a TI even if the response is a cruel one, which mercilessly shreds them to pieces. For them the same exact type of excusable deniability harassment used by their TI's as a retaliation is better  than being invisible. Just like a five year old child, they are so desperate for attention on a scam that gets old and tired after a while. Because when the TI knows what's really going on, all bets are off. It becomes a fruitless dead-end mind game campaign.

Perhaps they're just desperately worried about: where their next meal is coming from, or where they'll get money for next month's rent, or whatever they have to do get that narcotic fix,(if their gangstalking temp agency stopped calling). But if worse comes to worst, they may just have to moonlight as pimps, dealers, hookers, or pornstars just to make ends meet, because no employer in their right mind would ever hire a third rate bad amateur actor.

Gangstalkers and their handlers are actually scamming their own unsuspecting employer by continuously targeting a TI who had moved on, and who doesn't even care anymore. They will hopelessly go on with a dead-end pursuit as if nothing had changed, so they can prolong their gangstalking contract and funding for as long as they possibly could. This way, they wouldn't really have to work so hard for a TI who simply doesn't care. It's all about job security you know. But if their boss ever finds out, I bet he'd be LIVID for days and pull their plug right-away.
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May 28, 2013
 

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Please Post on all Forums wrote:
Public Safety Notice: Gang Stalking
This neighborhood reportedly has an ongoing “gang stalking” operation (also known as “organized stalking”). This type of crime is not related to street gangs; rather it involves illegal surveillance and harassment of targeted individuals by multiple perpetrators (called “perp’s” or “brown-nosers”) working together. The stalking is often done for vengeance or to silence potential whistle-blowers.
Tactics include making threats and abusive comments, breaking into the victim’s residence, slander (lying about the victim), harassment by noise (often from adjacent apartments), criminal invasion of privacy – for example, by tapping phone lines and hacking computers (the crime of eavesdropping – a violation of California Penal Code sections 630 – 638), and other crimes.
Beware of persons who might be falsely impersonating law enforcement personnel (in violation of California Penal Code section 538d) to recruit participants for gang-stalking operations (as distinguished from legitimate “neighborhood watch” programs). If you are in doubt about the identity of such persons, contact your local sheriff’s office or police department.
Stalking (maliciously following, harassing, and threatening another person) is a violation of California Penal Code section 646.9 and may be punishable by up to three years in state prison for a first offense.
To watch an ABC TV show segment illustrating how gang stalkers and other criminals impersona
te law enforcement personnel to recruit unsuspecting citizens to help them:
Perform a Google search of the following:
“Gang stalking + ABC + John Quinones + Comply or Question Authority”
To read the affidavit of a former head of the Los Angeles FBI office about gang stalking:
www.randomcollection.info/gunderson.pdf
To see U.S. Department of Justice crime survey statistics about gang stalking:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabell ...
Websites with additional information about gang stalking:
Nowpublic.com (Search for “gang stalking” articles within the website.)
Multistalkervictims.org/catchcanada/
Exposegangstalking.com
Organizedmobbing.com
Mobbing-usa.com
Gangstalkingworld.wordpress.com
Fightgangstalking.wordpress.com
To inquire about criminal prosecutions for organized stalking crimes, call the California Attorney General’s office at this toll-free number:(800) 952-5225
Have you posted this in your neighborhood? I recommend not calling the atty generals office though.
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BLEED WHITE wrote:
Gangstalkers are absolutely flabbergasted and gasping for air when a TI ignores a sensitization skit. They are completely dumbfounded even when the TI is finally desensitized with the psychological scam. Desperately, they will try too hard to get a TI's attention and make the con look believable, and would actually settle for a taste of their own medicine just to get a response from a TI even if the response is a cruel one, which mercilessly shreds them to pieces. For them the same exact type of excusable deniability harassment used by their TI's as a retaliation is better  than being invisible. Just like a five year old child, they are so desperate for attention on a scam that gets old and tired after a while. Because when the TI knows what's really going on, all bets are off. It becomes a fruitless dead-end mind game campaign.
Perhaps they're just desperately worried about: where their next meal is coming from, or where they'll get money for next month's rent, or whatever they have to do get that narcotic fix,(if their gangstalking temp agency stopped calling). But if worse comes to worst, they may just have to moonlight as pimps, dealers, hookers, or pornstars just to make ends meet, because no employer in their right mind would ever hire a third rate bad amateur actor.
Gangstalkers and their handlers are actually scamming their own unsuspecting employer by continuously targeting a TI who had moved on, and who doesn't even care anymore. They will hopelessly go on with a dead-end pursuit as if nothing had changed, so they can prolong their gangstalking contract and funding for as long as they possibly could. This way, they wouldn't really have to work so hard for a TI who simply doesn't care. It's all about job security you know. But if their boss ever finds out, I bet he'd be LIVID for days and pull their plug right-away.
NECROPHILIACS are hopeless romantics. Didn't you know?
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My neighbors suck wrote:
On a website, they were calling stalking groups, "cells". Sounds like a pretty good description and an alternative to "group stalking".
Just an FYI.
I think "cells" could work for groups like gangs. I have read that gangs have started working together on common causes.

I think that a lot of the scheming might be cooked up in prisons where there is could be discussion of how to torture and kill people without weapons. One culture in particular loves workplace mobbing and gang stalking is just a natural extension of that.

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May 29, 2013
 
Mru486 wrote:
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I think "cells" could work for groups like gangs. I have read that gangs have started working together on common causes.
I think that a lot of the scheming might be cooked up in prisons where there is could be discussion of how to torture and kill people without weapons. One culture in particular loves workplace mobbing and gang stalking is just a natural extension of that.
Yes, I think so. As more people are put into and out of prison, they will take the prison pranks with them. Regular folks have trouble catching on to the cultural pranks of the former prisoners.

Thats part of it. The other part is why they use the pranks.
And that can be to protect crime networks.
Thats one big part of it anyway.
ptw

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#7595
May 29, 2013
 
Organized scheming corruption (of which OS is categorized), is of course a "heinous network" of felony crimes and violations upon which is predicated a total, flagrant disreqard for any constitution, democracy or laws.

"OS "are of course, an out of control civil servant/enforcement, institutional/organizational, entity/agency, career employee, surrogate (group/network) felony crimes/violations/assaults involving nothing but local, county, state and federal corruption !

And it's tools, it's scam, it's ruse against which the "public" have, of course, become victims are as much about arrogant playing of the public for fools, through nothing less than deception, manipulation and lying (covering up illegal and unwarranted intrusions [crimes] targeting a naive, unsuspecting and defenseless "public's" lives); as they are about the arrogant application of self-serving illegal and unwarranted obstruction, tampering, framing, falsifications, fraud, abuse, misconduct, misfeasance contributing to all civil servant/enforcement felony crimes/violations and corruption targeting the "public," (all cowardly, all criminally behind your backs)!

Legally address it, by non-stop documenting/reporting at all federal levels (the only way), since it's all predicated on felony crimes/violations/corruption, or sit back and watch it play out and become further victimized; be it in any type of forum !

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(edited for space).... Just like a five year old child, they (stalkers) are so desperate for attention on a scam that gets old and tired after a while.....It becomes a fruitless dead-end mind game campaign.
Perhaps they're just desperately worried about: where their next meal is coming from,..... But if worse comes to worst, they may just have to moonlight as pimps, dealers, hookers, or pornstars just to make ends meet, because no employer in their right mind would ever hire a third rate bad amateur actor.
Gangstalkers and their handlers are actually scamming their own unsuspecting employer by continuously targeting a TI who had moved on, and who doesn't even care anymore. They will hopelessly go on with a dead-end pursuit as if nothing had changed, so they can prolong their gangstalking contract and funding for as long as they possibly could. This way, they wouldn't really have to work so hard for a TI who simply doesn't care. It's all about job security you know. But if their boss ever finds out, I bet he'd be LIVID for days and pull their plug right-away.
Sometimes, the boss in involved. Certain people may be singled out at a business and the business can still do ok. It can cause a little ripple in the performance of the establishment, but the crooked networks can take up the slack. Some of these people have been taken in by a buddy network, and are completely dependent on them for any employment or even socialization. If they seperated, they would be a new target. As far as moonlighting as pimps dealers, hookers etc. They already(may be) are. Believe it or not, the day job is (may be) the "ligit cover" for the night job. And its a way of laundering cashflow. Some of the employees are only there as a favor to someone else.
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Sometimes, the boss in involved. Certain people may be singled out at a business and the business can still do ok. It can cause a little ripple in the performance of the establishment, but the crooked networks can take up the slack. Some of these people have been taken in by a buddy network, and are completely dependent on them for any employment or even socialization. If they seperated, they would be a new target. As far as moonlighting as pimps dealers, hookers etc. They already(may be) are. Believe it or not, the day job is (may be) the "ligit cover" for the night job. And its a way of laundering cashflow. Some of the employees are only there as a favor to someone else.
I think that sometimes employees who work for competition or organized crime get jobs in a certain business in order to destroy it. I've read that drug cartels are are setting employees up in normal businesses. I forgot what the reason is. Probably to get spies into neighborhoods or just to get a foothold in the neighborhood. I've seen certain members do things to destroy businesses that they are interested in buying. If they destroy the customer base and the machinery and everything else they can buy the business off really cheap. The only reason why I've seen this is because I'm so on the defensive whenever I see them around.

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I think that sometimes employees who work for competition or organized crime get jobs in a certain business in order to destroy it. I've read that drug cartels are are setting employees up in normal businesses. I forgot what the reason is. Probably to get spies into neighborhoods or just to get a foothold in the neighborhood. I've seen certain members do things to destroy businesses that they are interested in buying. If they destroy the customer base and the machinery and everything else they can buy the business off really cheap. The only reason why I've seen this is because I'm so on the defensive whenever I see them around.
I dont doubt that. I have known of business getting heckled out of business. So I can see the idea of infiltration. But what I am seeing the most of is when certain businesses harbor thugs as employees.
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May 30, 2013
 
McProblems
Dont fall for that shit. They tried that crap with me. It's a common theme.
They're just trying to control you and the situation. Think about it. If your around all the time they dont have to expend resources to keep track of you. And they get to see first hand if things are working out for them.

Dont fall for it!!!
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I dont doubt that. I have known of business getting heckled out of business. So I can see the idea of infiltration. But what I am seeing the most of is when certain businesses harbor thugs as employees.
Yes, it's scary to think that they are probably doing this to gain political power. They can do a lot with a persons name, address, phone number and credit card and vehicle information. They even know which banks you use. The hotel/motel industry is very scary because they have access to everything a person leaves in the room, the trash they throw out, and all the persons friends, networks, passwords and hobbies by offering free wifi. People might feel a little gang stalked dealing with this type of business in the first place but if they had a clue...
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Read all the files, it will help you understand the future of PATENTED EEG technology.

The psychological part is the beginning, the microwave part will come because by that time they hope no one will believe you.

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