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Toronto, Canada

#7575 May 27, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
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The whole thing is a mind fuc. Dont fall for it.
Stick to what you know. Cops and public servants of all types,and the federal gov in general.
Agree, RGR.

It IS a big mindf*ck. The best thing any TI can do is to assess their own situation: start to document and photograph.

Forget about the big picture. F*ck with the "little people" involved. You'd be surprised how much you can screw with them. And, in the process, you'll find just how cowardly and guilty they really are. LOL.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7577 May 27, 2013
In my case, the pranks started out basic. Often from a person (or people) I knew. But then, I saw the 'flipping back and forth'. People acting super nice and then 'switching'. doing dirty deeds and denying it. It was then (when I started asking questions) appearently the game was uped.
I felt like the little pranks could turn into a setup.
I got a direct suggestion that "I should move".
Phone service messed with. Something dead left by the door. possible attempted arson.(it didnt look like they tried very hard) Looking back though, although these folks were white, the con they were working might have been a little like the Mexican Mafia. But i dont know.

There is a book read awhile back called 'Son of a Grifter' by Kent Walker. This is a link to a short story about this 'family'.
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/...
illusion of justice

San Diego, CA

#7578 May 27, 2013
Adam Bereki , Anat Kamm , Anthony Bouza , David Lawson , Eliz. Sullivan , Ilan Pappe , joel kovel and norman finklestein are HEROS ..........aBE fOXMAN , Pam Geller , eliot Abrams and Ruppert Murdoch and Mike Raphan are dangerous enemies of Human Rights and the rule of law ...........see BY WAY OF DECEPTION , THE LAW IN THESE PARTS and Operation Greylord .........in FL 243 PIE , 244 PIE , J36 4LI , LXE 904 , 668 PCK , 494 MIU , 712 MAP.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7579 May 27, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
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This woman sounds legit, but she leaves so much information out I just can't wrap my thick skull around it. I have no knowledge of the world bank. This does seem like one of hitlers big lies that heclaimed was thebest way to fool the public.. And what does this have to do with why I'm being stalked? Peoplefrom the countries who are on the good side are doing my stalking along with the Mexicans who are extremely corrupt but no one seems to think they commit crimes.
She was on Coast to Coast a couple of nights ago. And she gave a pretty compelling story. She said her computer was hacked just before a court appearance. Stonewalling fireing and assorted other things. Its just the tactics of corruption. Not nessessarily conected with someone elses stalking. But always a little interesting (to me anyway). I thought she seems like an outstanding person. Although I too had trouble following her at times.(Her IQ is probably 180+.) She said she had to audit the World Bank. Found problems in the bank and the troubles for her began.

I always want to ask stalking victims what happened BEFORE the stalking. Useually, something should be the trigger. Have you traveled, or done business with these different nationalities?
Are you maybe just an outsider who got targeted because you arent into illegal things they are?
Mru486

San Francisco, CA

#7580 May 27, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
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She was on Coast to Coast a couple of nights ago. And she gave a pretty compelling story. She said her computer was hacked just before a court appearance. Stonewalling fireing and assorted other things. Its just the tactics of corruption. Not nessessarily conected with someone elses stalking. But always a little interesting (to me anyway). I thought she seems like an outstanding person. Although I too had trouble following her at times.(Her IQ is probably 180+.) She said she had to audit the World Bank. Found problems in the bank and the troubles for her began.
I always want to ask stalking victims what happened BEFORE the stalking. Useually, something should be the trigger. Have you traveled, or done business with these different nationalities?
Are you maybe just an outsider who got targeted because you arent into illegal things they are?
I bet her computer is hacked all the time. Would like to hear that show. She is a really great speaker and thinker. I'm so happy there is someone out there with her knowledge and courage.

Haha cnn is doing a show about intelligence. They are talking about targeting and people's whose whole goal in life is following one human being. That guy who was in charge of the water boarding torture is on there and he sure does look like one of the first perps I had. I bet he lives in the place where this happened. He's evil. I think they all are.

There's i way to not have contact with my perps where I live. They e attacked me my whole life.
Please Post on all Forums

Chino, CA

#7581 May 27, 2013
Public Safety Notice: Gang Stalking
This neighborhood reportedly has an ongoing “gang stalking” operation (also known as “organized stalking”). This type of crime is not related to street gangs; rather it involves illegal surveillance and harassment of targeted individuals by multiple perpetrators (called “perp’s” or “brown-nosers”) working together. The stalking is often done for vengeance or to silence potential whistle-blowers.
Tactics include making threats and abusive comments, breaking into the victim’s residence, slander (lying about the victim), harassment by noise (often from adjacent apartments), criminal invasion of privacy – for example, by tapping phone lines and hacking computers (the crime of eavesdropping – a violation of California Penal Code sections 630 – 638), and other crimes.
Beware of persons who might be falsely impersonating law enforcement personnel (in violation of California Penal Code section 538d) to recruit participants for gang-stalking operations (as distinguished from legitimate “neighborhood watch” programs). If you are in doubt about the identity of such persons, contact your local sheriff’s office or police department.
Stalking (maliciously following, harassing, and threatening another person) is a violation of California Penal Code section 646.9 and may be punishable by up to three years in state prison for a first offense.
To watch an ABC TV show segment illustrating how gang stalkers and other criminals impersonate law enforcement personnel to recruit unsuspecting citizens to help them:
Perform a Google search of the following:
“Gang stalking + ABC + John Quinones + Comply or Question Authority”
To read the affidavit of a former head of the Los Angeles FBI office about gang stalking:
www.randomcollection.info/gunderson.pdf
To see U.S. Department of Justice crime survey statistics about gang stalking:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabell ...
Websites with additional information about gang stalking:
Nowpublic.com (Search for “gang stalking” articles within the website.)
Multistalkervictims.org/catchcanada/
Exposegangstalking.com
Organizedmobbing.com
Mobbing-usa.com
Gangstalkingworld.wordpress.com
Fightgangstalking.wordpress.com
To inquire about criminal prosecutions for organized stalking crimes, call the California Attorney General’s office at this toll-free number:(800) 952-5225
Any Inland Empire TIs

Chino, CA

#7582 May 27, 2013
Any TIs I'm the Inland Empire want to tag team and flood OS/GS information?
TIoner

Chino, CA

#7583 May 27, 2013
BLEED WHITE wrote:
When gangstalking budget run dry, because after several long years the TI is had actually adapted, smarted-up, and only gotten even stronger. And if you're a TI, you would notice that the gangstalking activities is only good on a two-block radius from where you live. Furthermore, as a TI veteran, you will also enjoy a little bit of privacy and freedom from harassment when you go beyond that two-block radius,(a mile or two), on a random spur of the moment adventure. However, your perps can still keep up with you whenever you stay stationary at one location,(say at the park for instance). So don't stay in one place for more than thirty minutes, because that's how long it takes to coordinate you at such short moments notice. In my case I purposely stay longer, because I enjoy seeing my perps scrambling, flustered, and trying so desperately hard only to be dropped like a hot potato at the very last minute upon their arrival. 
That wouldn't be too cost effective. In fact, just a complete waste of their time, money, and energy. There are limits to a depleting gangstalking budget.
let me know where you live so I can move there? No matter where I go I'm flooded with these pawns. I live with a pawn who sold his soul and now he's a slave!
Inland Empire TI

Chino, CA

#7584 May 27, 2013
CA_target wrote:
Reginald,
That does sound encouraging. I blew the whistle on a cybercriminal in July '06, had no help from anyone in law enforcement, the DA, etc., and became a TI. After 6wks it escalated to dangerous gang members. Anyway, in May '07, I finally got the help of a police commissioner in Sacramento, he came down to check it out. He had the authority to call the FBI. The National Guard showed up! I have been writing 'Letters to America' for awhile to ask them to help the TI's out there. Maybe, they listened. My last 'Letter to America' is at http://www.nowpublic.com/world/official-docum...
what is your letter under
?
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7585 May 28, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
<quoted text>
...I always want to ask stalking victims what happened BEFORE the stalking.....
I've noticed you're a little dismissive of the one common victim expressed, "cop involvement (corruption/abuse/misconduct/c rimes/violations)," to OS criminality?...... In favor of "changing the discussion."... I've also noticed (as someone else previously with the comment "word salad"), that you've intoduced the following topics, over "seven pages"? Really? Pardon me, but if you've been a victim since 1980, why haven't you figured anything out for yourself by now? Who are you, really?

homies,
white collar and professionals,
hazing,
HUMAN TRAFFICKING,
DRUGS, PROSTITUTION,
con-artist,
ponzie schemes,
syndicate,
Gypsy culture,
hybristophillia (felon fetish) and munchausen by proxy (sick baby syndrome),

mobster mode,
tribes,
book "Son of a Grifter,"
Church of Scientology,
unlicensed pimps or drug dealers,
Lords of Dicipline,
Manson Family,
Mexican Mafia,
World Bank,
travelers,

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7586 May 28, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
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<quoted text>
...... Do you think unlicensed pimps or drug dealers could be the problem? And maybe some corruption going up the ladder into law enforcement, business and state job positions could be a factor?
Ever heard of the Lords of Dicipline?
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb925...
PTW:
I certainly have discussed corruption. Including in police And I posted the link to the story on the Lords of Dicipline.

Where did you get 1980 as the year it began??? I dont nessissarily disagree with anything you have said. Why are you asking me who I am? We use screen names around here. For very good reasons. Are you telling me what topics I can and cant discuss on the forum? I wanted to change the topic because it was degenerating into a political arguement. I didnt want it to go into a Democrat/Republican arguement because I think the problem runs across all lines. And yes, It has to do with corruption.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7587 May 28, 2013
Apologize for 1980, I see you were quoting another........

Got to agree though, you've been all over the "word salad" spectrum??

I agree OS crime does involve politics as with policy/entity/agency corruption,(the two are intertwined through corruption, obstructive and tampering involvement [to a matter of degree or level] by employed career civil servants within, between and among these entities/agencies and a quasi-professional / political environment)! A degeneration (maybe in the short run), but an natural, evolutionary informative course (in the long run for victims)!

OS is as much about "saving one's civil servant physical ass" from identified involvement in felony crimes/violations/cover ups involving compadres at the lower order spectrum, as it involves database corruption (victim tracking), and eventually higher chain of command (often politically elected/appointed) obstruction, corruption and investigative tampering (favors)! If you know anything about this corruption, these are two of its major components: Engage in felony crimes by what ever means; and cover it up by what ever means!

Anyone will find this out, and confirm it over time as they formally and repeatedly pursue (document) every element of this corruption over years, as it takes you on a proverbial ride through entities/agencies/individuals; employing an all too common, uncanny, systemic practice involving "depraved indifference, obstruction of justice, investigative tampering" and my personal favorite, "unresponsiveness," (as if this is a "cure all" vs. an obvious "admission of guilt")! Go figure!

Politics? You bet! Degenerative politics? Not to sound cynical, but is there any other kind involving corruption targeting victims? Point is, by working it out, we get a better understanding of the (career/elected/appointed civil servant employee, institutional/organizational, entity/agency) constitutional violating corruption behind all OS !
My neighbors suck

Athens, Greece

#7588 May 28, 2013
On a website, they were calling stalking groups, "cells". Sounds like a pretty good description and an alternative to "group stalking".

Just an FYI.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7589 May 28, 2013
My neighbors suck wrote:
On a website, they were calling stalking groups, "cells". Sounds like a pretty good description and an alternative to "group stalking".
Just an FYI.
That reminded me of something. A long time ago, I was watching a network program about terrorists. The reporter was saying that the foreign terrorists were just really similar to our own criminals here. I think that was intended to put the viewers at ease. But if thats true, then its also true from the opposite direction.

Our common criminals are similar to terrorists. And when they form a group for the intent of stalking, intimidation burglary, or whetever, they are acting as a criminal (or terrorist) cell. Arent they? By this definition, the Manson family would be a terrorist cell, wouldnt they? Reminds me of the old LIFE magazine cover with Manson on it. It said Love and Terror Cult.
BLEED WHITE

United States

#7590 May 28, 2013
Gangstalkers are absolutely flabbergasted and gasping for air when a TI ignores a sensitization skit. They are completely dumbfounded even when the TI is finally desensitized with the psychological scam. Desperately, they will try too hard to get a TI's attention and make the con look believable, and would actually settle for a taste of their own medicine just to get a response from a TI even if the response is a cruel one, which mercilessly shreds them to pieces. For them the same exact type of excusable deniability harassment used by their TI's as a retaliation is better  than being invisible. Just like a five year old child, they are so desperate for attention on a scam that gets old and tired after a while. Because when the TI knows what's really going on, all bets are off. It becomes a fruitless dead-end mind game campaign.

Perhaps they're just desperately worried about: where their next meal is coming from, or where they'll get money for next month's rent, or whatever they have to do get that narcotic fix,(if their gangstalking temp agency stopped calling). But if worse comes to worst, they may just have to moonlight as pimps, dealers, hookers, or pornstars just to make ends meet, because no employer in their right mind would ever hire a third rate bad amateur actor.

Gangstalkers and their handlers are actually scamming their own unsuspecting employer by continuously targeting a TI who had moved on, and who doesn't even care anymore. They will hopelessly go on with a dead-end pursuit as if nothing had changed, so they can prolong their gangstalking contract and funding for as long as they possibly could. This way, they wouldn't really have to work so hard for a TI who simply doesn't care. It's all about job security you know. But if their boss ever finds out, I bet he'd be LIVID for days and pull their plug right-away.
Mru486

Sunnyvale, CA

#7591 May 28, 2013
Please Post on all Forums wrote:
Public Safety Notice: Gang Stalking
This neighborhood reportedly has an ongoing “gang stalking” operation (also known as “organized stalking”). This type of crime is not related to street gangs; rather it involves illegal surveillance and harassment of targeted individuals by multiple perpetrators (called “perp’s” or “brown-nosers”) working together. The stalking is often done for vengeance or to silence potential whistle-blowers.
Tactics include making threats and abusive comments, breaking into the victim’s residence, slander (lying about the victim), harassment by noise (often from adjacent apartments), criminal invasion of privacy – for example, by tapping phone lines and hacking computers (the crime of eavesdropping – a violation of California Penal Code sections 630 – 638), and other crimes.
Beware of persons who might be falsely impersonating law enforcement personnel (in violation of California Penal Code section 538d) to recruit participants for gang-stalking operations (as distinguished from legitimate “neighborhood watch” programs). If you are in doubt about the identity of such persons, contact your local sheriff’s office or police department.
Stalking (maliciously following, harassing, and threatening another person) is a violation of California Penal Code section 646.9 and may be punishable by up to three years in state prison for a first offense.
To watch an ABC TV show segment illustrating how gang stalkers and other criminals impersona
te law enforcement personnel to recruit unsuspecting citizens to help them:
Perform a Google search of the following:
“Gang stalking + ABC + John Quinones + Comply or Question Authority”
To read the affidavit of a former head of the Los Angeles FBI office about gang stalking:
www.randomcollection.info/gunderson.pdf
To see U.S. Department of Justice crime survey statistics about gang stalking:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabell ...
Websites with additional information about gang stalking:
Nowpublic.com (Search for “gang stalking” articles within the website.)
Multistalkervictims.org/catchcanada/
Exposegangstalking.com
Organizedmobbing.com
Mobbing-usa.com
Gangstalkingworld.wordpress.com
Fightgangstalking.wordpress.com
To inquire about criminal prosecutions for organized stalking crimes, call the California Attorney General’s office at this toll-free number:(800) 952-5225
Have you posted this in your neighborhood? I recommend not calling the atty generals office though.
Sane Teresa

United States

#7592 May 29, 2013
BLEED WHITE wrote:
Gangstalkers are absolutely flabbergasted and gasping for air when a TI ignores a sensitization skit. They are completely dumbfounded even when the TI is finally desensitized with the psychological scam. Desperately, they will try too hard to get a TI's attention and make the con look believable, and would actually settle for a taste of their own medicine just to get a response from a TI even if the response is a cruel one, which mercilessly shreds them to pieces. For them the same exact type of excusable deniability harassment used by their TI's as a retaliation is better  than being invisible. Just like a five year old child, they are so desperate for attention on a scam that gets old and tired after a while. Because when the TI knows what's really going on, all bets are off. It becomes a fruitless dead-end mind game campaign.
Perhaps they're just desperately worried about: where their next meal is coming from, or where they'll get money for next month's rent, or whatever they have to do get that narcotic fix,(if their gangstalking temp agency stopped calling). But if worse comes to worst, they may just have to moonlight as pimps, dealers, hookers, or pornstars just to make ends meet, because no employer in their right mind would ever hire a third rate bad amateur actor.
Gangstalkers and their handlers are actually scamming their own unsuspecting employer by continuously targeting a TI who had moved on, and who doesn't even care anymore. They will hopelessly go on with a dead-end pursuit as if nothing had changed, so they can prolong their gangstalking contract and funding for as long as they possibly could. This way, they wouldn't really have to work so hard for a TI who simply doesn't care. It's all about job security you know. But if their boss ever finds out, I bet he'd be LIVID for days and pull their plug right-away.
NECROPHILIACS are hopeless romantics. Didn't you know?
Mru486

Sunnyvale, CA

#7593 May 29, 2013
My neighbors suck wrote:
On a website, they were calling stalking groups, "cells". Sounds like a pretty good description and an alternative to "group stalking".
Just an FYI.
I think "cells" could work for groups like gangs. I have read that gangs have started working together on common causes.

I think that a lot of the scheming might be cooked up in prisons where there is could be discussion of how to torture and kill people without weapons. One culture in particular loves workplace mobbing and gang stalking is just a natural extension of that.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7594 May 29, 2013
Mru486 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think "cells" could work for groups like gangs. I have read that gangs have started working together on common causes.
I think that a lot of the scheming might be cooked up in prisons where there is could be discussion of how to torture and kill people without weapons. One culture in particular loves workplace mobbing and gang stalking is just a natural extension of that.
Yes, I think so. As more people are put into and out of prison, they will take the prison pranks with them. Regular folks have trouble catching on to the cultural pranks of the former prisoners.

Thats part of it. The other part is why they use the pranks.
And that can be to protect crime networks.
Thats one big part of it anyway.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7595 May 29, 2013
Organized scheming corruption (of which OS is categorized), is of course a "heinous network" of felony crimes and violations upon which is predicated a total, flagrant disreqard for any constitution, democracy or laws.

"OS "are of course, an out of control civil servant/enforcement, institutional/organizational, entity/agency, career employee, surrogate (group/network) felony crimes/violations/assaults involving nothing but local, county, state and federal corruption !

And it's tools, it's scam, it's ruse against which the "public" have, of course, become victims are as much about arrogant playing of the public for fools, through nothing less than deception, manipulation and lying (covering up illegal and unwarranted intrusions [crimes] targeting a naive, unsuspecting and defenseless "public's" lives); as they are about the arrogant application of self-serving illegal and unwarranted obstruction, tampering, framing, falsifications, fraud, abuse, misconduct, misfeasance contributing to all civil servant/enforcement felony crimes/violations and corruption targeting the "public," (all cowardly, all criminally behind your backs)!

Legally address it, by non-stop documenting/reporting at all federal levels (the only way), since it's all predicated on felony crimes/violations/corruption, or sit back and watch it play out and become further victimized; be it in any type of forum !

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