Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
Mug483

San Jose, CA

#7555 May 24, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
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I tried to respond earlier, but my browser,(or the site) messed up and my post dissapeared. I think there are different groups involved with similar, but slightly different forms of stalking. Probably with different agendas. There is the Mexican Mafia. I havent looked up too much on this, but that might be something to look into. The ones I ran into trouble with were more like a crime cult. Mostly (if not all) white. Mostly a little rough looking
(denim and flannel-or heavy metal T-shirts) But the lower group did seem to have links up the social chain to white collar and professionals. Like I said this seems to just be in limbo at the present. So I am kicking back and trying to sort through everything. There are several people who stepped down locally. But I dont know if the replacement is any better. One odd sidenote is that when I got into this battle, the whole area started looking worse. Its like people were flipping back and forth--then they got stuck in the mobster mode. I mentioned the personality "tweek" in a earlier post. It's like they had a fake surface personality and seemed like nice or moral people. When the surface personality goes away the real person is standing there. At least then you can see what you're dealing with.
A crime cult? Wow, that sick.
Mug483

San Jose, CA

#7556 May 24, 2013
xyz wrote:
It might have been my mistake I have to correct alot also I guess Ill never know maybe a better strategy would be to rewrite again.
Gunsmoke was from the 60s tv, it was on for years. It seemed alot of show from the 60s had themes like that.
My comments used to show up quickly. now they take awhile & one time it disappeared.
Yeah, I remember the tv show. I just didn't like cowboy shows so I would space out while everyone else was watching it.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7557 May 25, 2013
One critical element to this OS, cop corruption (and it's all cop corruption) is now being further exposed and reported!

A factor, although realized, has become an even more obvious connection associated to the military (crime/violations/ assaults) and that of civil servant/enforcement "public sector" required hiring (local, county, state, federal).

That of a transferred culture of felony crimes/violations/assaults, corruption, tampering and obstruction of justice involving both top brass and enlisted!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7558 May 25, 2013
For all true, real targeted individuals/families (TI) that take serious, victimization as a result of these felony crimes and violations (long since realized), targeting you and your family's personal and professional privacy, civil/legal rights and liberties, there's no time like the present from which to become personally involved in relentlessly formally documenting this corruption!

If you've been a victim for any time at all (and have started searching attributes of what you've been encountering like stalking etc.); you will have long since begun "actively" extracting useful, confirming (real) information. And as a result, I would have thought that at sometime begun the useful process of "actively" challenging, pursuing, reporting and documenting what you've learned toward actively addressing this "cop" corruption. "Cop/watch/informant/snit ch corruption," should be something else you've come to realize by now! It's all (OS), "cop" corruption (actively on the local, ongoing physical targeting and violating level)!

By challenging, pursuing, reporting and documenting this corruption (felony crimes and felony violations), you will of course have begun the "internal, normal" process of learning for your own self the extent at which this corruption has embedded itself into civil servant/enforcement entities/agencies and it starts in your community (watch/HOA).(And therefore better at examining and knowing what is real vs. all the bullcrap associated with only one intent, obstruction of justice by the very network of corrupt civil servants engaged in "real" felony crimes/violations)!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7559 May 25, 2013
By formally challenging this corruption, you experience for yourself (real) obstruction of justice and investigative tampering from realized deception, mis-information, manipulation of real facts/events/crimes/violations . You realize/experience dissemination and assimulation of incriminating information your family has been supplying (knowledge of [real] assaults/tactics, individuals), mirrored back in the form of [real] retaliation, reprisals and adapted crimes including new elements (now whistleblower felony crimes, hate crimes, premeditated crimes, threats)!

Your personal, involved experiences are of course a critical, necessary element toward defining and responding to this corruption. By doing so you establish/document your family and friend's formal victimization to this felony corruption from ongoing violations to your civil rights/liberties and especially privacy (illegal and unwarranted tampering, eavesdropping, wiretapping, hacking [phone, cell, cable box, mail, email, tracking, medical, legal)!(All real)!

Ongoing, relentless "formal" pursuit for justice is nothing but helpful to you (family/friends). Without it one takes the risk of succumbing to all the foundationless, mindless bantering floating between sites, mainly because you're not really learning through quality "source" interaction/involvement. "Good intentions" will not provide the help you need!(Nor any of the obvious weirdo bullcrap, floated by this same organized scheming Corruption, Fraud, Falsifications, Deceptions, Manipulations and Lying spewed and sadly captivated by some or worse intentionally propagated by others knowing it's chit,[no matter how many times your "handle," changes or one connives behind the scenes with emails! Victims are not naive for ever])!!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7560 May 25, 2013
And what is this association/network/culture: The military has been dumping into the public service (civil servant/ enforcement entities/agencies) at the rate of 20,000 to 30,000 per year (reported and unreported) sadistic and deviant criminals!

Now can anyone to tell me where an "OS network" familiar with targeted felony violations and crimes, assaults, corruption, obstruction of justice, tampering with investigations, deception, manipulation, lying, witness/victim intimidation, harassment, threats from an enuing culture of fraud, framing, abuse influence/power/position/resou rces, misconduct and falsifications by these same sadistic and deviant "OS criminals" are coming from??

Anybody?? Or shall we be dissmissive to this too??
Mru734

Oakland, CA

#7561 May 25, 2013
Ptw, whatever you said is very well said.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7562 May 26, 2013
ptw wrote:
military gene pool > civil servant/enforcement gene pool > neighborhood watch gene pool = OS gene pool.
military felony crimes/violations > civil servant/enforcement felony crimes/violations > neighborhood watch felony crimes/violations = OS felony crimes/violations !
Doesn't get any more complicated than that!
As recent news publications expose and validate, the "military" predispositon to engage in, target/frame and covering up [accuse/defame victims] sexual assaults), and its' conjoined "network" (military > public sector civil servants engaging in the same crimes) seems to be the only real viable resource from which all nationally recognized, "OS" crimes (corrupt surrogate watch/snitches/informants/HOA) originate!

These are not just "organized police" felony crimes/violations/assaults, since obstruction of justice, tampering, exploitation and cover up (as with top military brass) extends to a culture/network of [local, county, state, federal] entity/agency hierarchy of "organized civil servant" felony crimes/violations/assaults as well !

Again, something every victimized family eventually encounters through a continuous flow of formal letters (interaction) reporting, documenting and challenging this corruption, obstruction of justice and investigative tampering ! Go figure !
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7563 May 26, 2013
ptw wrote:
OS is of course a by-product of a corrupt legal system of extreme arrogance and pomposity. A system engaged in illegal, unwarranted self-serving felony violations and felony crimes at the expense of everyone's privacy, civil/legal rights, liberties, democratic, societal and constitutional protections.
OS is the biggest scam to target the public, since McCarthyism.
OS is a corrupt, violating civil servant sleazy crime; it's alway's been a corrupt, violating civil servant sleazy crime and it will always be a corrupt, violating civil servant sleazy crime! And it's sadistic, perverse roots and pre-occupation are well documented every week, across this country alone!
"Police" felony crimes/assaults and resulting "civil servant" cover up (victim targeted: organized accusations/defamation/ assaults) afforded through ongoing felony violations to civil/ legal rights, liberties and privacy [illegal and unwarranted eavesdropping, wiretapping, mail/refuse extraction, gps/cell stalking/tracking)! Go figure !

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7564 May 26, 2013
I think there are ligitimate agencies and corrupt agencies everywhere. The problem is they may be the SAME agency.(With a ligitimate AND corrupt side.) When Military admits problems, they are trying to do the right thing, but so many in the Military will also try to cover up the wrong doings. Same with Police. So many trying to do the right thing, But perhaps nearly as many trying to cover up and conceal. The people involved with the corruption seem to have a common bond. As if they are part of the same club.(With it's own chain of command.) And I guess we are back to the question.."Who are they?"
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7565 May 26, 2013
I believe the chain of command is, conservative law makers, on top , under that its the police & a large sections of the media.
The conservative voters didnt want to change the gps law in 2012. acording to c-span.
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7566 May 26, 2013
I think the chain of command could be, the concervative law makers on top, then the police & a large part of the media. The conservative law makers didnt want the gps law to change in 2012 acording to c-span.
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7567 May 26, 2013
i'd like to find out who voted what on that issue it would tell alot. The gps law that changed in 2012

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7568 May 26, 2013
xyz wrote:
I think the chain of command could be, the concervative law makers on top, then the police & a large part of the media. The conservative law makers didnt want the gps law to change in 2012 acording to c-span.
OK, heard you the first time.. I dont know. Alot of Conservatives want more privacy. And less gavernment intrusion. I think this corruption takes in anybody it can. And that person works within their own position. Politically, either side will blame the other.
Yet, it's in there- rooted deep.
Mru486

Union City, CA

#7569 May 26, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, heard you the first time.. I dont know. Alot of Conservatives want more privacy. And less gavernment intrusion. I think this corruption takes in anybody it can. And that person works within their own position. Politically, either side will blame the other.
Yet, it's in there- rooted deep.
Yeah, it seems that is part of the game. Making it impossible to know who is behind the stalking. Today a car full of Hispanics stopped next to me while I was sitting in my car which was parked n the side of the street. I was doing something and only noticed an arm sticking out and heard a clicking sound. I assume they were going to spray my car with something because it had already been messed up twice today. When I looked up and they saw me they drove off. Meanwhile, it sure does look like there are a lot of police cars swarming around. And then there's all the monkey business on the Internet and with topix. They ve changed the date of the first message on one of these boards during the last week. Definitely the Obama iadmin is involved because the two scandals with the IRS/tea party and the ap journalism leaks. That's probably why Clinton left. The stuff on the Internet are all a joke.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7570 May 27, 2013
Actually and factually we're not back at: "who are they". There is not a larger, more encompassing political and policing structure than lawless "controlling/deceptive/ma nipulative" enforcement as anyone is aware, from its lowest political position to its highest; (election of area sheriff, election of area prosecutors, cops becoming lawyers, lawyers elected as judges, all gravitating towards being elected as politicians, and heads of governing [local, county, state, federal] entities/agencies; from atty generals and representatives [local, county, state, federal], to becoming political appointments at (as victims of OS can attest) controlling, obstructive levels involving career employees (military > public sector required hiring) within by all appearance, "unethical, self-protecting" legal entities/agencies!

No, I don't think, based on multiple sources of unbiased research, documentation, independent, reputable, authoritative, verifiable, and authentic publications (private and governing) as have been provided by many independent victims and printed in hundreds of news articles across this country; that we"re back to: "who are they," based on conjecture or one pamplet! Besides, remember, we're speaking of "real," human behaviors, interactions, crimes, violations and assaults, "real" abuse, misconduct, authority, "real" (existing) control structures/networks of which have a stake in the outcome,(covering up their own corruption), a very important point !

"OS" criminal behavior is nothing but a "cop instigated" (national) crime, based on nothing but violations to citizen"s privacy, civil/legal/constitutional rights and liberties to cowardly, maliciously and sadistically engage in defamation driven assaults targeting an unsuspecting public for kicks, sport, perverse amusement, vendettas, no reason and just because they can, do and will due to an unjust/corrupt command structure ! An "out of control" fox guarding the "naive, defenseless" hen house ! This is where the much larger discussion should proceed: "addressing the corruption" !(Knowing these forums are infiltrated by cops catered to by topix, their surrogates/fake victims/posters propagating crazy talk, and unfortunately some victims captivated by it out of lack of knowledge, despiration or worse)!
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7571 May 27, 2013
xyz wrote:
I think the chain of command could be, the concervative law makers on top, then the police & a large part of the media. The conservative law makers didnt want the gps law to change in 2012 acording to c-span.
This has been discussed ad nauseam.
I can point to several things that would indicate it's democrats doing this.
And I'm a staunch Republican who was first targeted during the clinton admin after sending an e-mail to the white house criticizing his politics.
But if you stop and think about it you'll realize politics have nothing to do with it.
And I can promise you one thing......your perps will now make sure to give you little hints that point to Republicans being the culprits.
Just like they trie
d to get me to believe it was democrats.

The whole thing is a mind fuc. Dont fall for it.
Stick to what you know. Cops and public servants of all types,and the federal gov in general.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7572 May 27, 2013
I'm going to try to take the discussion in a different direction. This is a video by Karen Hudes World Bank Whistleblower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The link should take you to the video. If it doesnt work, google- Karen Hudes World Bank
Mru486

Oakland, CA

#7573 May 27, 2013
Thanks tzone. I'll take a look at the video later.

I have a question. Is Gang and organized stalking very common in Denmark? I keep seeing their name coming up. They were related to the underwear bomber because the stopover was in Denmark. And there was the weird story about the guy who helped the bomber get onto the plane without a passport. I think I read somewhere that he may have really been a government agent, the sharp dressed man, that is. This incident apparently was not captured on any surveillance cameras but was observed by 2 lawyers from Michigan.
Mru486

Oakland, CA

#7574 May 27, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
I'm going to try to take the discussion in a different direction. This is a video by Karen Hudes World Bank Whistleblower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The link should take you to the video. If it doesnt work, google- Karen Hudes World Bank
This woman sounds legit, but she leaves so much information out I just can't wrap my thick skull around it. I have no knowledge of the world bank. This does seem like one of hitlers big lies that heclaimed was thebest way to fool the public.. And what does this have to do with why I'm being stalked? Peoplefrom the countries who are on the good side are doing my stalking along with the Mexicans who are extremely corrupt but no one seems to think they commit crimes.

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