Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7447 May 8, 2013
30yeartarget wrote:
every gangstalking forum Ive been to seems to have a few perps
Yep. Thats why I dont post anything but insults to suktor.
They'll just use anything you post to screw with you.
30yeartarget

Lincoln, NE

#7448 May 8, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. Thats why I dont post anything but insults to suktor.
They'll just use anything you post to screw with you.
So whats your story, whos gangstalking you
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7449 May 8, 2013
30yeartarget wrote:
<quoted text>So whats your story, whos gangstalking you
Not to sound like an a-hole. But if you've been a target for thirty years you should pretty much know the score.

I can name a shit load of people who have stalked me.
I can say the cops stalked me. I can say (now ex) friends have stalked me.
But you cant say who is ultimately responsible.
If it was as easy as finding that one person.....trust me when I say he/she wouldnt be stalking anyone at this point.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7452 May 9, 2013
RunGsersRun wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to sound like an a-hole. But if you've been a target for thirty years you should pretty much know the score.
I can name a shit load of people who have stalked me.
I can say the cops stalked me. I can say (now ex) friends have stalked me.
But you cant say who is ultimately responsible.
If it was as easy as finding that one person.....trust me when I say he/she wouldnt be stalking anyone at this point.
And by that I mean they would be in prison.
Dont want suktor to get all excited. I think he gets a woody if he hears anything he might be able to misconstrue.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7453 May 9, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
Are there now or have there ever been any organized 'gangs' stalking people; targeting individuals?
Who are these gangs, and what is their purpose?
Please attribute your source of: any official record, publication or broadcast, name of any official in government or business, any organization or corporation, any witness, any record of accident or other event published, and any published account of any person involved with or affected by this!
Let's read what you have to say!
Check out the John Quinoes video on youtube 'Gangstalking how they do it' It features the Mcdonalds stripsearch. The woman in charge was "recieving orders" from someone on the phone. Its a bizzare true story that resulted in a lawsuit. If there wasnt video, nobody would believe it. As for my story, read on.

Hello,
I am posting from Roseburg Oregon. Some years ago, a group of people befriended me. It later bacame a nightmare. I could name some people and businesses. But for the purpose of this forum, I dont think that would the best choice. First, there was drugs and prostitution in the group. Second, there were stories of crimes (including murder) in the group. Third, there was extreme socialization in the group.(Meaning that this lower class was homies with some higher class) At first it was like hazing pranks.
I was laughing too. Then something went freaky. Several times complete strangers made really odd comments. Sometimes screaming and threatening. My cell phone appearently got hacked.(it started lighting up and saying "call ended".) OH.. I had something ON FIRE thrown into my mail slot. Prank phone calls. Car messed with.
Bill from a pay and park out of the area. Strangers who claimed they were with AT&T demanding personal information. I could on, but I am not writing a true crime novel in here. THERE IS A NETWORK. THEY ARE INVOLVED WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING. BUT THATS NOT ALL. THEY ARE A SOCIAL NETWORK THAT HAS A CHAIN OF COMMAND. LOCALLY THEY ARE INVOLVED WITH DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, THEFT, AND INTIMIDATION. AND I HAVE HAD THE LITTLE PRANKS FOLLOW ME OUT OF THE AREA. Many of the people involved with this have two personas.
Like Jeckel and Hyde. Indications of this are on the nightly news every day or two. Its just never connected that criminals could be in a chain of command type of culture. They always "acted alone".
But any faithful criminal never brings down his homies with him. He is willing to take all the blame for "the cause".

Profiling is one of the most amazing talents I have observed in the stalkers. In order to do this they will have to ask a friend of yours questions about you, or befriend you themselves.(everything I experienced-except the cell phone hack-was low tech)
So personally, I think the stories of some kinda beams is actually brain cells popping from stress. Although... I think some people might read lips from a distance.

In my experience, the gang stalking groups are every bit as real as the Ku Klux Klan or Nazi groups or Al Quada. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7454 May 9, 2013
Hello,
I am posting from Roseburg Oregon. Some years ago, a group of people befriended me. It later bacame a nightmare. I could name some people and businesses. But for the purpose of this forum, I dont think that would the best choice. First, there was drugs and prostitution in the group. Second, there were stories of crimes (including murder) in the group. Third, there was extreme socialization in the group.(Meaning that this lower class was homies with some higher class) At first it was like hazing pranks.
I was laughing too. Then something went freaky. Several times complete strangers made really odd comments. Sometimes screaming and threatening. My cell phone appearently got hacked.(it started lighting up and saying "call ended".) OH.. I had something ON FIRE thrown into my mail slot. Prank phone calls. Car messed with.
Bill from a pay and park out of the area. Strangers who claimed they were with AT&T demanding personal information. I could on, but I am not writing a true crime novel in here. THERE IS A NETWORK. THEY ARE INVOLVED WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING. BUT THATS NOT ALL. THEY ARE A SOCIAL NETWORK THAT HAS A CHAIN OF COMMAND. LOCALLY THEY ARE INVOLVED WITH DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, THEFT, AND INTIMIDATION. AND I HAVE HAD THE LITTLE PRANKS FOLLOW ME OUT OF THE AREA. Many of the people involved with this have two personas.
Like Jeckel and Hyde. Indications of this are on the nightly news every day or two. Its just never connected that criminals could be in a chain of command type of culture. They always "acted alone".
But any faithful criminal never brings down his homies with him. He is willing to take all the blame for "the cause".

Profiling is one of the most amazing talents I have observed in the stalkers. In order to do this they will have to ask a friend of yours questions about you, or befriend you themselves.(everything I experienced-except the cell phone hack-was low tech)
So personally, I think the stories of some kinda beams is actually brain cells popping from stress. Although... I think some of them might read lips from a distance.

In my experience, the gang stalking groups are every bit as real as the Ku Klux Klan or Nazi groups or Al Quada.
Gabriella

Bellevue, WA

#7455 May 10, 2013
I posted a message about my problems with gang stalking 2 days ago and I don't see it anymore. Do you delee some of these messages? Or my stalkers and cyberstalkers are doing it? I wouldn't be surprised about that.
I m being stalked my life is constantly supervised by hundreds of people, all nationalities, all my neighbors run into my way whenever I walk out the door, y college mates have been instructed to fllow me everywhere(they even follow me to the restroom and wait there untill I leave) Can you imagine? My apartment is supervised, they use all sorts of surveillance devices, infrared cameras, my apartment is bugged, they tapped my phone line, the cyberstalk me, track my online activity, they basically follow me everywhere...thy engaged a whole community in group stalking, pretending that they do me afavor, when they actually stalk me. They all act as if is absolutely normal, no one asks why, they simply execute some orders. The leaders are members and leaders in the church, with influence and "power" to do whatever they want. They overtalk behind me, follow me when I shop, when I dine, everywhere. It's been going on for years. There must be something to do. They involved even law enforcement officers. They vcome where I am and act as if I am a criminal assuming that they are entitled to follow me. What can I do abut it? There must be something. Please post, anyone, any tips, any leads, anything...names of attorneys, links, ph no, anything.
And for the admin of this site: Please do not delete my messages. It is very real what is happening to me and I figure I am not the only one, there are so many targets. Please post any info you can. Anything.
Frankgurs

Pittsburgh, PA

#7456 May 11, 2013
youtube.com/watch... Gave Peace a Last
Yo certain

Westport, CT

#7457 May 11, 2013
Once the recovery starts then fewer do paranoia happens.. You will recover, but you must keep going kid!!!
African Princes

Lincoln, NE

#7458 May 11, 2013
I wish those cops and there perp butt kissers gaslight buddys would get shot in outerspace
Darlene South

Lincoln, NE

#7459 May 11, 2013
You can say that again honey
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7460 May 12, 2013
Stalking is of course a crime.

"Organized" stalking is of course, a by-product of (local, county, state, federal) "network" of police corruption, violations followed by cowardly assaults or more precisely; civil servant/enforcement "organized scheming," group corruption, crimes, violations, obstruction, tampering and cowardly assaults.(A fact expressed consistently).

Stalking IS of course a criminal act by criminals (having access to, and engaging in violations to your privacy/civil rights/liberties), it is NOT a perp act by perpetrators..(to believe otherwise is an act of "denial" in itself, and submission toward perpetuation of the very deception, manipulation that these very "professional criminals" engage, in covering up their involvement)!

"Organized" stalking is of course "conspiring" (felony) to commit "group" crimes by the above criminal elements and abusive networks (surrogate community snitches, informants, watch [households])!

My view: The focus should be on, bringing to light and exposing a culture of police abuses/misconduct, crimes/violations, corruption/obstruction and cowardly assaults (behind all organized stalking)!

One seemingly informative site on pervasive police corruption is titled: "This week's corrupt cop stories;"

http://stopthedrugwar.org/taxonomy/term/27

Understand the corruption and you have a better understanding on how to address the crime.
Ct lady

Nantucket, MA

#7461 May 12, 2013
Thank you ptw. Could not agree more.
RunGsersRun

Katy, TX

#7462 May 13, 2013
African Princes wrote:
I wish those cops and there perp butt kissers gaslight buddys would get shot in outerspace
I dont care if they get shot in outer space or a back alley.
Either would be fine with me.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#7463 May 13, 2013
MHO about the whole gang stalking topic: I've drawn many inferences over that past few years and I believe that gang stalking is actually in most cases due to electronic harassment. I propose that someone comes by at night, hits you with a ray gun, then leaves. The perps mess with your head, and that's what makes you paranoid. That's what makes you believe in gang stalking. It takes a while for your brain chemistry, and brain waves, to return to normal. You have to live it out or restore the balance in some way.

This explains why some people fail to see results even when they use EM sheilding or how insanely pervasive the gang stalking seems to be - even when they move to a different country. I don't think anybody has the resources to follow people around like that.

As far as intent is concerned, I think these groups may have a higher purpose. I think the gang stalking simulation, including the nasty voices, are cover. I believe these people may be trying to help people who have personality disorder, have an abusive personality, or some other issue. Think long term CBT.

Just as hypnosis involves slowing brain waves down and inserting suggestions, I believe electronic harassment works in the same way. You're unaware of the suggestions.

Who knows, maybe these people are completely malicious. Maybe they are just vigilante revenge groups. I believe they are special interest groups. Whatever those interests might be. I don't know if that justifies what they do.
FormerLAer

Sweden

#7464 May 13, 2013
The main perps are always completely vicious and into revenge. However, the people they may BRAINWASH, may be BRAINWASHED into thinking they are helping someone with a disorder. That's because most people are stupid and will fall for anything.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7466 May 13, 2013
sleepylonewolf wrote:
MHO about the whole gang stalking topic: I've drawn many inferences over that past few years and I believe that gang stalking is actually in most cases due to electronic harassment. I propose that someone comes by at night, hits you with a ray gun, then leaves. The perps mess with your head, and that's what makes you paranoid. That's what makes you believe in gang stalking. It takes a while for your brain chemistry, and brain waves, to return to normal. You have to live it out or restore the balance in some way.....
Hmmm...... Most of what I experienced was con-artist routines combined with petty crime. When I became overwhelmed was when I realized the extensive scope of social structures connected to the activity. Truth is- most people operate on rewards and punishments. Little rewards and punishments can control most human behavior.
The "ponzie schemes" occur somewhat naturally in society because people want to assimilate into groups. Evil people will try to lead others as far as possible in the wrong direction. Most people will at some point say "Thats not for me". But they will still keep their mouths shut. And go along with the group for the rewards. Those who will not (or can not)Abide by the rewards and punishments of the group become hated and feared. The "gang stalking" may actually be an attemped to get the target to conform and be assimilated into the group. In that scenereo, the victim would be approached at a later time by a "kinder" representive of the group for gentle persuasion. In some cases the group may be trying to get the target to kill themselves. In other cases it will have to do with human trafficking. Once again, I believe that this perception of beams or rays is the result of brain cells popping from stress. This is psycological warfare. Forceing someone to go un-stable is one of the major goals. Dont fall for it.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#7467 May 13, 2013
Gabriella wrote:
I posted a message about my problems with gang stalking 2 days ago and I don't see it anymore. Do you delete some of these messages? Or are my stalkers and cyberstalkers doing it? I wouldn't be surprised about that.
I'm being stalked. My life is constantly supervised by hundreds of people, all nationalities, all my neighbors run into my way whenever I walk out the door, college mates have been instructed to follow me everywhere(they even follow me to the restroom and wait there until I leave) Can you imagine? My apartment is supervised, they use all sorts of surveillance devices, infrared cameras, my apartment is bugged, they tapped my phone line, the cyberstalk me, track my online activity, they basically follow me everywhere...they engaged a whole community in group stalking, pretending that they do me a favor, when they actually stalk me. They all act as if is absolutely normal, no one asks why, they simply execute some orders. The leaders are members and leaders in the church..... Please post any info you can. Anything.
This site dosent always work perfectly. You have to enable third party cookies to get things to post. The best thing I can tell you is that you have to learn to function independently from the crowd.
I dont know if you have any family or friends you can depend on.
It's possible to imagine some things when you are under stress. so remember that. Try to document anything you can. If my view of this is accruate, it's bigger than an attourney or some other person could solve for you. But there can be a point when a stale-mate occurs. When something they did backfires and they think you had something to do with it. You may contact me if you wish. Click on my screen name.(yours appears to be blocked)

I believe that there is a sort of syndicate that runs up and down the west coast. When my car was tampered with, I was driving North on I-5. One back wheel started locking up. and the tire was squeeling. I pulled of at the next exit.(I believe that was Cottage Grove)I found the jig they attached to my car to make the wheel lock. I removed it and walked into a fast food place.
Two dudes wearing flannel walked in right after me. They were talking to a girl who worked at the restraunt. This girl-a total stranger- proceded to strut past me and tried to sorta grope me.
She acted sort of robotic or cyborg. I dont know what she wanted, or what that had to do with the car tampering. but it made me really uneasy. If I am correct, there is a big syndicate that runs up and down I-5 and little invistigators like ourselves should be quite careful!
xyz

Lincoln, NE

#7468 May 14, 2013
Schizophrenics act the way they do because there brains are overworked from harassment
Sociopaths act the way they do because they believe the people in charge expect them to act that way. my theory

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#7469 May 14, 2013
twilightzone_1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm...... Most of what I experienced was con-artist routines combined with petty crime. When I became overwhelmed was when I realized the extensive scope of social structures connected to the activity. Truth is- most people operate on rewards and punishments. Little rewards and punishments can control most human behavior.
The "ponzie schemes" occur somewhat naturally in society because people want to assimilate into groups. Evil people will try to lead others as far as possible in the wrong direction. Most people will at some point say "Thats not for me". But they will still keep their mouths shut. And go along with the group for the rewards. Those who will not (or can not)Abide by the rewards and punishments of the group become hated and feared. The "gang stalking" may actually be an attemped to get the target to conform and be assimilated into the group. In that scenereo, the victim would be approached at a later time by a "kinder" representive of the group for gentle persuasion. In some cases the group may be trying to get the target to kill themselves. In other cases it will have to do with human trafficking. Once again, I believe that this perception of beams or rays is the result of brain cells popping from stress. This is psycological warfare. Forceing someone to go un-stable is one of the major goals. Dont fall for it.
I'm defintely not going to discredit the possibility of gang stalking as there are a lot of people who believe about it in its usual form so there must be something to it. It might've been different for me. I do think I'm going to try and stop focusing on why. I was very young when I was first targetted. I considered the people who I thought were in on it good people. I'm trying to rationalize what was done. It was a violation of my rights and it should technically be illegal.

In my case, the electronic harassment theory seems to work. For many reasons which I've kept track of, I really believe the whole experience revolved around slowed perception, and maybe even dissociation. I believe it's possible I was "programmed" to sabotage myself which explains the mishaps.

Regardless, you're right, whatever they did, it was a malicious act.

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