Gang Stalking Debate Forum!

Since: Sep 12

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#7220 Feb 3, 2013
Last March, the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) was granted unprecedented power to collect data on ordinary U.S. citizens, data like flight records or lists of casino employees.
http://www.onthemedia.org/2013/jan/04/nctc-ob...
Critics have likened the NCTC to the "Pre-Crime Squad" in the movie "Minority Report." Wall Street Journal reporter Julia Angwin talks with Bob about this dramatic shift in the intelligence community's power over US citizens.

Since: Sep 12

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#7221 Feb 3, 2013
Since 9/11, the FBI has stepped up its reliance on sting operations to catch potential terrorists before they strike. But in the process, says journalist Trevor Aaronson, the agency has ended up "hatching and financing more terrorist plots in the United States than any other group."
https://www.google.com/url...
Bob talks with Aaronson about his new book, The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism.

Since: Sep 12

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#7222 Feb 3, 2013
The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terror shows how the FBI has, under the guise of engaging in counterterrorism since 9/11, built a network of more than 15,000 informants whose primary purpose is to infiltrate Muslim communities to create and facilitate phony terrorist plots so that the bureau can then claim victory in the war on terror.
http://trevoraaronson.com/book/
The book offers unprecedented detail into how the FBI has transformed from a reactive law enforcement agency to a proactive counterterrorism organization–including the full story of an accused murderer who became one of the FBI’s most prolific terrorism informants–and how the FBI has used phony terrorist plots to justify spending $3 billion every year on counterterrorism.
Sid

United States

#7223 Feb 3, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
Last March, the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) was granted unprecedented power to collect data on ordinary U.S. citizens, data like flight records or lists of casino employees.
http://www.onthemedia.org/2013/jan/04/nctc-ob...
Critics have likened the NCTC to the "Pre-Crime Squad" in the movie "Minority Report." Wall Street Journal reporter Julia Angwin talks with Bob about this dramatic shift in the intelligence community's power over US citizens.
The video which contained the policeman who confirmed that gang stalking does exist came from the same department which has been innovating crime prediction techniques. Really bad prediction skills about how that turned out.
Sid

United States

#7224 Feb 3, 2013
Ps, guess I erased this comment, it was staged.

Since: Jun 11

Liechtenstein

#7225 Feb 3, 2013
I know something you more ons don't know.
It ain't about believing everything you read neither
Vocct

Smithville, TX

#7226 Feb 3, 2013
Ct lady wrote:
"Here comes Johnny,,,,,,,,,,"
Truer words were never spoken...

Since: Sep 12

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#7227 Feb 4, 2013
Albert Burrell spent thirteen years on death row for a murder he did not commit. Atlanta police killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a misguided raid on her home. After being released by Chicago prosecutors, Darryl Moore—drug dealer, hit man, and rapist—returned home to rape an eleven-year-old girl.
http://www.amazon.com/Snitching-Criminal-Info...
Although it is nearly invisible to the public, criminal snitching has invaded the American legal system in risky and sometimes shocking ways. Snitching is the first comprehensive analysis of this powerful and problematic practice, in which informant deals generate unreliable evidence, allow criminals to escape punishment, endanger the innocent, compromise the integrity of police work, and exacerbate tension between police and poor urban residents.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7228 Feb 4, 2013
(recomp) the latter........

(if you review posts, they all ref. corruption.....this is not by accident, but in direct response to it.....years of it...14+yrs as you know)!

My posts are for only one reason, offer real, true OS victims, a "fast tract," of learning without going through years of targeted corruption/crimes/assaults on your own, to get to this same level of experience, years later.

For victimized families in this country (America), dealing with true, real Organized Stalking (OS), it's all about peeling back the layers, going indepth about it, repeatedly (interacting with it)! And what do you find (as others have already posted) in this country, it's not about the perp, it's about the professional criminal behavior hiding behind systemic, "overall" corruption; deceiving/manipulating/abusive civil servant/enforcement corruption; obstruction of justice and tampering corruption; networked corruption operating above and outside the law disgustingly (in America): entity/agency "organized scheming" felony corruption!

I'm well beyond "not recognizing", that as a matter of illicit common practice, families/citizens, the public, and their neighbors (Americans) are being violated (privacy, civil/legal rights/liberties) by nothing less than illegal, unwarranted "implemented and controlled", sleazy easy corruption, for nothing less than corruption for corruption's sake.

Last week on the national news, Google, went public over concerns that of some 35,000 requests for private client's emails (don't know if weekly, monthly etc.,), more than ever before had no reasons or explanations for the requests, they're just expected to be filled ! Google sees this as a big problem (privacy/civil/legal rights/liberties) that's becoming more common and prevalent!!(leads one to ask, if previous if any reasons are not corrupt/false/fraudulent).

Since: Nov 12

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#7229 Feb 4, 2013
pwt,

I don't get corruption simply for the sake of corruption. It has to benefit some entity in some way. I understand the nasty rumor and population at large will react towards a target with negativity, but there is always "organized" methodical aspect of the social punishment in the case of OS/GS. Hidden hand is involved. The way you describe OS it's as if there is widespread corruption and gangstalking is some sort of natural side effect of it.
Everyone knows that power corrupts, politicians are corrupt, officials are corrupt, contractors corrupt, everyone in position of power has potential for corruption, etc.. The term so so overreaching that meshing it with GS/OS doesn't really provide any answers, but waters the issue down.
How does corruption initiates OS on a target?
Are you referring to "moral" corruption of the system?
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7230 Feb 4, 2013
If you're a simple victim of simple assaults, simple slander, simple vandalism, one would normally report it locally,... problem solved (beyond maybe stupid antics, etc).

If you're a real, true victim of OS,(have reported simple assaults), you're a victim of higher level real assaults,(reprisal/vendetta) crimes, enormous violations, victimization, obstruction and tampering, etc. that clearly involve wide ranging (American unconstitutional, undemocratic, privacy/civil rights/liberties) atrocities and corruption, otherwise you wouldn't be looking for answers else where.

OS is, and has always been a product of the much larger abuses/misconduct behind "organized scheming (civil servant/enforcement) corruption," just as all the other known felony crimes this network of corruption has laws for (although obviously not enforced) and repeatedly listed in posts !

The difference between a perspective of approaching OS, as targeting vs. victimization is as enormous as a perspective approaching OS as perps vs. felony criminals. It's a big difference ! It's an enormous difference!

OS targeting by simple perp antics.(This is labeling, it's nothing but, same as acronyms EH, DEW, V2K, which are all associated labeling)!

OS victimization by obviously underlying, much larger real felony crimes/violations/atrocities/ corruption/obstruction/ tampering etc., identifies obvious, known, and recognized (USDOJ) "organized scheming" felony criminal behaviors operating above and outside the law for kicks, vendettas and reprisals (all OS)!(Has nothing to do with labeling, it doesn't even come into the picture)!

(watering down wouldn't be expanding OS to the much larger "organized scheming corruption." Watering down would be restricting it to a much more narrow views). Again, think it's more of a difference of perspectives between cultural differences, size, organization, values, levels/depth/breath of experienced crimes etc. Your focus seems concentrated on the individual. Mine is organizational (again based on thousands of pages of challenging this corruption over years here, that you couldn't possibly know or experience in 14mos., and something that obviously would be different based on countries along).

Good luck with everything!

Since: Nov 12

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#7231 Feb 4, 2013
I'm trying not to fixate on any specific idea as there is very little information to connect the dots. Targeted individual is very important aspect, but not necessarily main aspect. If it's a research on some sort of social/cultural weaponry - the individual becomes secondary focus. If it's a set up for something TI might become in the future (violent, crazy, criminal)- institutions that would be taking care of such individual comes to mind. One possible focus is on social aspect of it as attack is not only on the individual, but community that individual resides as well. Community for most part have to support the attack, meaning it's defined as benefiting community. It's not like they are forced to do anything. Probably instructed. The reality that appears for TI is not necessarily the same as it appears for others.

I like to encounter different point of view as naturally i'm inclined to step in their shoes and try to understand their position on the issue.

I don't quite understand your definition of OS/GS, we might be talking about something entirely different. You blame corruption and obstruction. What if OS/GS is procedure to be followed, method to be executed, some sick scientific research where protocols are followed and closely monitored? Will it be corruption, unethical research or crime?

Since: Sep 12

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#7232 Feb 4, 2013
EFF to Supreme Court: Blanket DNA Collection Violates Fourth Amendment
Law Enforcement Should Not Gather Genetic Information Without a Warrant

In addition to Maryland, 27 states and the federal government have laws that mandate DNA collection from anyone arrested, even if they are not yet convicted of a crime. EFF has filed amicus briefs in a number of cases challenging these unconstitutional laws.
https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-suprem...
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court has shown increasing sensitivity to the power of sophisticated technology to undermine traditional privacy protections.

Since: Sep 12

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#7233 Feb 4, 2013
Transparency Project

Knowing “what the government is up to” is often the first step in ensuring that the government respects the civil liberties of its citizens.
https://www.eff.org/issues/transparency
To that aim, EFF’s Transparency Project is dedicated to using federal and state freedom of information laws, the courtroom, and our megaphone to shine light on government activities.
David B

New Orleans, LA

#7234 Feb 4, 2013
Once the smear campaign is underway, and people get to talking. You can never truly clear your name. People close to you might know its not true. But people are still not gonna understand. And there not gonna be comfortable when your around.
I would love the chance to clear my name. It sucks not being able to verbally defend yourself,against the allegations. Its to widespread, and you dont know exactly what was said. The only way it seems possible is to move away.

Who would want to socialize with someone being accused of being violent,racist, pedofile,gay, or a terrorist? Once that gets started people are going to shy away from you. Some people will go out of their way to screw with you. Maybe its as simple as that.

I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. But I also know most people wont do that. Some people believe whatever they hear. And its easier to believe a lie then search/dig for the truth.

What I do know is my reputation is screwed. Its gonna take years for me to clear my name. Also noone wants to talk about it. So most of those feelings are repressed. But life goes on.
Dumand Dalsimer

Bradenton, FL

#7235 Feb 4, 2013
The JINSA/JDL wingnutz on wheels uses a fleet of cars like florida tags AFS R76 , H92 1XE , 243 PIE, 244 PIE , 668 PCK and 945 PCR ........ See SUPERMOB by gus russo.
Homeland surveilance

Bradenton, FL

#7236 Feb 4, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
Since 9/11, the FBI has stepped up its reliance on sting operations to catch potential terrorists before they strike. But in the process, says journalist Trevor Aaronson, the agency has ended up "hatching and financing more terrorist plots in the United States than any other group."
https://www.google.com/url...
Bob talks with Aaronson about his new book, The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism.
.......... the JDL is encouraged by the Feds to harass American OATH KEEPERS .......... See EVABRAUN HUGHES AND COMMISSAR AHO HUGHES AND THE WINGNUT MILITIA by Bill Kristol , Whitey Bulger , Eliot Abrams , Ann Coulter and Max Boot .
lavon affair

Bradenton, FL

#7237 Feb 4, 2013
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terror shows how the FBI has, under the guise of engaging in counterterrorism since 9/11, built a network of more than 15,000 informants whose primary purpose is to infiltrate Muslim communities to create and facilitate phony terrorist plots so that the bureau can then claim victory in the war on terror.
http://trevoraaronson.com/book/
The book offers unprecedented detail into how the FBI has transformed from a reactive law enforcement agency to a proactive counterterrorism organization–including the full story of an accused murderer who became one of the FBI’s most prolific terrorism informants–and how the FBI has used phony terrorist plots to justify spending $3 billion every year on counterterrorism.
..... the best FBI sting was operation Greylord .......... but the BAR no longer allows stings on judges .

Since: Nov 12

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#7238 Feb 4, 2013
David B wrote:
Once the smear campaign is underway, and people get to talking. You can never truly clear your name. People close to you might know its not true. But people are still not gonna understand. And there not gonna be comfortable when your around.
I would love the chance to clear my name. It sucks not being able to verbally defend yourself,against the allegations. Its to widespread, and you dont know exactly what was said. The only way it seems possible is to move away.
Who would want to socialize with someone being accused of being violent,racist, pedofile,gay, or a terrorist? Once that gets started people are going to shy away from you. Some people will go out of their way to screw with you. Maybe its as simple as that.
I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. But I also know most people wont do that. Some people believe whatever they hear. And its easier to believe a lie then search/dig for the truth.
What I do know is my reputation is screwed. Its gonna take years for me to clear my name. Also noone wants to talk about it. So most of those feelings are repressed. But life goes on.
I feel exactly the same way. The loss of social status is probably biggest source of stress for most of TI's. With little imagination one can project a negative outcome in many social situations, thus limiting interaction and isolating himself. So "clearing name" part also becomes more and more distant. Worrying about the nature of the rumors doesn't stop as target constantly is reminded about it. Natural process of rumors and gossip is that it stops short of their targets, constructed to prevent for people to learn too much of what others think of them. So it's important to separate the natural processes of "scarlet letter", "crab mentallity" or "law of jante" and punishment methods that couldn't have been implemented solely by community itself.

Something we take for granted, thinking it's fundamental right to be free in free country. To be left alone.
Sarah

Los Angeles, CA

#7239 Feb 4, 2013
David B wrote:
Once the smear campaign is underway, and people get to talking. You can never truly clear your name. People close to you might know its not true. But people are still not gonna understand. And there not gonna be comfortable when your around.
I would love the chance to clear my name. It sucks not being able to verbally defend yourself,against the allegations. Its to widespread, and you dont know exactly what was said. The only way it seems possible is to move away.
Who would want to socialize with someone being accused of being violent,racist, pedofile,gay, or a terrorist? Once that gets started people are going to shy away from you. Some people will go out of their way to screw with you. Maybe its as simple as that.
I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. But I also know most people wont do that. Some people believe whatever they hear. And its easier to believe a lie then search/dig for the truth.
What I do know is my reputation is screwed. Its gonna take years for me to clear my name. Also noone wants to talk about it. So most of those feelings are repressed. But life goes on.
You can look at it another way: it's just like high school, really. Rumors aren't as damaging as the other things that go on in these situations. Being slandered incessantly is bad, but I'm so used to it that I don't really care. Besides, most of our population is not comprised of brilliant intellectuals, if you know what I'm saying. People are gullible and will believe anything.

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