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Django

Phoenix, AZ

#7197 Feb 2, 2013
ptw wrote:
And this is exactly what these posts address.
and now overwhelming provide support or proof !
You make a lot of accusations without naming names or giving post numbers. You have to specify who you are talking about if you are going to accuse somebody of being a perp. Not just here, but in real life.

Since: Nov 12

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#7198 Feb 2, 2013
what about community protection program? Considering that community protection program is supposed to be protecting communities from dangerous mental patients, arsonists, sex offenders by monitoring them 24/7 in their homes. BTW almost all of those companies are private contractors paid about $100k/year for each "client". Very little discussed program.

DSHS doesn’t advertise the Community Protection program. The names of residents and their histories are confidential. Even their addresses are confidential. Workers aren’t supposed to tell anyone about the program, according to most company guidelines.

http://redecomposition.wordpress.com/2013/02/...
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#7199 Feb 2, 2013
Community Protection program- I did not even know this one existed. Knew about Community Watch and Weed and Seed, but those are advertised openly.
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#7200 Feb 2, 2013
This program seems to tie in with law enforcement's attempt to "predict" criminal behavior. Only here, the residents are developmentally disabled....some of those homes they put them in sound horrible to me. Poorly trained staff. Abusers being placed with victims. Obviously this program needs an overhaul!

Since: Nov 12

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#7201 Feb 2, 2013
Ct lady wrote:
Community Protection program- I did not even know this one existed. Knew about Community Watch and Weed and Seed, but those are advertised openly.
I think it's relevant to targeted individuals as most of them feel as if community thinks of them as some sort of threat. Another important aspect is that most of these companies are private enterprises directly drawing public funds. So they would directly benefit of "management" of dangerous member of community. Another thing is secrecy.
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#7202 Feb 2, 2013
Couldn't agree more. I am probably one of the most peaceful people you would ever want to meet. I love the outdoors, gardening,pets,music,reading,c ooking...etc. However, just yesterday I was thinking about the "Scarlet Letter" and feeling like I walk the streets of this small community with "Plague" slapped across my forehead. I don't know these people who seem to hate me so much. And I am no threat to anyone.
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#7203 Feb 2, 2013
Unlike the developmentally disabled being monitored secretly in publicly funded housing, we who are targets are blatantly "out there" no matter how quiet our lifestyles may be. If they cannot attack with words and actions, they can attack with painful weapons. We are on some kind of list and no one told us why, or how to get off of it.

Since: Dec 09

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#7204 Feb 2, 2013
redecomposition wrote:
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I think it's relevant to targeted individuals as most of them feel as if community thinks of them as some sort of threat. Another important aspect is that most of these companies are private enterprises directly drawing public funds. So they would directly benefit of "management" of dangerous member of community. Another thing is secrecy.
How is it that you are able to know how any one else besides yourself feels?
How do you know the motives of 'these companies'?
The secrecy that needs to be revealed is this fantastic mind reading power you apparently posses.

Since: Nov 12

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#7205 Feb 2, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
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How is it that you are able to know how any one else besides yourself feels?
How do you know the motives of 'these companies'?
The secrecy that needs to be revealed is this fantastic mind reading power you apparently posses.
we do not know motives of these companies. we assume, speculate, rationalize. as with all independent contractors even with oversight there is always abuse and corruptio. They are about making money afterall.

We do not know how everyone else feels, we experience deliberate, methodical and systematic social punishment that is directed at us.

Since: Dec 09

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#7206 Feb 2, 2013
redecomposition wrote:
<quoted text>we do not know motives of these companies. we assume, speculate, rationalize. as with all independent contractors even with oversight there is always abuse and corruptio. They are about making money afterall.
We do not know how everyone else feels, we experience deliberate, methodical and systematic social punishment that is directed at us.
Can you not see the error you make by assuming?
How many of you are there inside you? Now you write of yourself as being 'we' and 'us'! Can you not speak for yourself, or are you again assuming?

Since: Nov 12

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#7209 Feb 2, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
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Can you not see the error you make by assuming?
How many of you are there inside you? Now you write of yourself as being 'we' and 'us'! Can you not speak for yourself, or are you again assuming?
The error is on your part as you assume that we're not talking about complex system. Your solution is simple - medication and institutionalization as it's highly improbable that unusual punishment exists in real world especially for average joes like us. It doesn't make sense.
We're faced with abnormal problem that defies logic, reason and narrative of normal social life as we know it. How do you expect aboriginal person to solve a crossword in japanese language? He wouldn't even understand concept of the puzzle, let alone japanese language. Thats the dilemma we TI's face. At least that's how i try to look at it. It's hard to define the problem as the precedent for solution is not there.

Since: Dec 09

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#7210 Feb 2, 2013
redecomposition,

If a problem does not make sense then the real problem is in not asking for help with the problem.

How does blaming anyone help?

Since: Nov 12

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#7211 Feb 2, 2013
Hektor Seven wrote:
redecomposition,
If a problem does not make sense then the real problem is in not asking for help with the problem.
How does blaming anyone help?
Problem solution depends on the problem definition. If we can't at this moment succinctly define the problem and ask aparatchick like yourself to do it for us - it doesn't help as it will be blamed on delusion on our part. It's like having partially complete jigsaw puzzle where you can only see some sort of undefinable shape. We do not ask you to solve the puzzle as it's not possible for one man to solve it in one go. You can only help by adding one piece and only if you take it seriously.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7212 Feb 2, 2013
That's 100pgs/2105 posts that I've just searched and still no evident that I've ever commented on one Django, much less ever encountered a Django post before this malicious assault.

But I'm willing to keep going to the end to find out what was said if ever, behind this "attack" on free speech, knowledge and beliefs on OS crimes!

So far the hissy fit trashing and accusations don't seem to have any direct backing. Now if it's free speech I'm was trashed for, we'll address that too.

Don't recall ever going unleashed on posters just to go unleashed, been provoked and will address that though.

What I do know, is it's not my style to get in a hissy fit, and go postal just to get in a hissy fit and go postal.

But, I've got alot more posts to review before final judgement ! May have to add to that list of fraud/fake postings!

Since: Dec 09

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#7213 Feb 2, 2013
redecomposition,

Insults don't work either. I did not cause your problem.

Have a nice day!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7214 Feb 2, 2013
Well, speaks for itself.....

nearly 200pgs and some 4100+ posts and not one Django post....which means it would have been impossible to have ever commented on one!

My posts stand on their own, and I stand by my posts........but here's a thought...

disagree with `em, don't read `em !

I speak more to the level of attack later !
Sid

San Francisco, CA

#7215 Feb 2, 2013
redecomposition wrote:
what about community protection program? Considering that community protection program is supposed to be protecting communities from dangerous mental patients, arsonists, sex offenders by monitoring them 24/7 in their homes. BTW almost all of those companies are private contractors paid about $100k/year for each "client". Very little discussed program.
DSHS doesn’t advertise the Community Protection program. The names of residents and their histories are confidential. Even their addresses are confidential. Workers aren’t supposed to tell anyone about the program, according to most company guidelines.
http://redecomposition.wordpress.com/2013/02/...
How do you find out if you're on the list? NPR did a show about how the us has rptargeted and killed us citizens but they made it sound like they only do this to Arab terrorists in Yemen.
Sid

San Francisco, CA

#7216 Feb 2, 2013
Sid wrote:
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How do you find out if you're on the list? NPR did a show about how the us has rptargeted and killed us citizens but they made it sound like they only do this to Arab terrorists in Yemen.
I don't think I qualify for this.

http://www.dshs.wa.gov/pdf/Publications/22-11...

Would they tell you that you're on this list or do they just start following you around? Supposedly they follow stalkers around which is just a total riot. I mean in normal circumstances it would be a great idea but it seems that probably half of the people in Northern California hack computers and stalk people online and once you do that you just have to do the rest. I think I just got mobbed in a laundromat.
Sid

San Francisco, CA

#7217 Feb 2, 2013
redecomposition wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it's relevant to targeted individuals as most of them feel as if community thinks of them as some sort of threat. Another important aspect is that most of these companies are private enterprises directly drawing public funds. So they would directly benefit of "management" of dangerous member of community. Another thing is secrecy.
Wish these reporters would at least "out" the companies.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#7218 Feb 3, 2013
This assault has opened up a wide door of discussion, concerning OS victimization, perceptions, accounting, etc.
Looking at corruption, on the web outside the Topix site/forum, others exclaim that TI groups/forums are obviously infiltrated,(commented year before I firsted posted on organized stalking last year). My experiences and observation as well! All apparent, to other "real true victims" of OS (organized stalking), based on "their" skill set of knowledge accumulated over time !!
Other TI experiences or observations reflected (paraphrasing):... posters, making extreme, bizarre accusations calling others “perps” is a common approach of deflection away from themselves, and are apparently "well known and demonstrated tactics" towards illicit attempts to influence, manipulate and control others.
In moving forward, it's my suggestion that:...any real, true victim to OS (and especially newbees), should remain aware that varying prospects may be behind varying levels of deceptive, "aggression or attacks," when reviewing any site, forum or exchange within OS.
Out of all the hundreds/thousands of sites addressing organized stalking,.... if this level of attacking others (as demonistrated) is one "common, well known and demonstrated approach;"..... all I can add is, then review it and others first hand (over the last approx. 200 pgs. and 4100+ postings, or entire forum 7100+ postings). Any real, true victim of OS, can see this being played out alot more than once.
Why is it important,... because it's one root of the targeted problem: victimization!

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