Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6854 Jan 7, 2013
redecomposition wrote:
pwt,
what about question - who benefits from this mess? There is no clear benefactor - as it's not clear the end state of the TI. Possibilities:
1) prison complex - if TI lashes out
2) mental health system - they take care of manufactured symptoms for the rest of the life
3) behavioral research, simulation and modeling (violence, extremism as related to war on terror) studies
4) modern type eugenic program - community improvement
I guess mental health system has the most to gain financially and behavioral research would gain unique data. No matter whats the purpose - it's still eugenics.
http://redecomposition.wordpress.com/2012/12/...
Interesting link. Provides an understanding association of how civil servant/enforcement corruption can or will use even abuse other sciences (not saying everything is ethical, experimental ACT appears borderline unethical if not completely) to fit their illegitimate means and ends. Clearly ACT and OS have similarities in designs,(regardless of chicken or the egg concept) or of a designer's borderline unethical intent/efforts.

Clearly OS is a developed criminal act, employing techniques, searches and adaptations to self-fulfilling (prophecy) principles tailored toward validating manifested, illegal and unwarranted criminal behavors. And how? By simply attempted (or ellicited) associations to some ancillary, narrow, force fitted ideas or distortions within some small segment/group (ACT) of another profession (psychiatry/health). And why, in criminal attempts to cover up it's own tracks to heinous corruption. Beautiful!

So what better way, than trying for a conveniently "arranged marriage," between two professions (police and psychiatry/medical) as hypothesized. With both over time, becoming increasing dependent on one another, feeding inter-active, adaptive and tailored distortions if not unethical and criminal behaviors. Certainly speaks to questions concerning the perpetuation of abuse/misconduct surrounding OS (felony crimes) and recent bizzare/obsurd attempts to "sell" unethical, illegal activities (felony crimes/violations/atrocities) as therapy!

Sounds reminiscent to hyped-up therapy to wrap an uncooperative adolescent in a rug and sit on them,(behavior modification) restricting movement and ignoring pleas as a form of control, even to the point (as it eventually turned out), a patient dies from suffocation!(Image the terror [well, those of you that are not fist-bumping and corrupt sadists])!

Corruption, felony violations, crimes and assaults defines OS. OS is only corruption, felony violations, crimes and assaults. Any and all attempts to "sell" OS as anything but felony privacy violation based crimes/assaults targeted against all of humanity, all of the public, all of a country's naive, unsuspecting and defenseless citizens, is cowardly corrupt!

Organized stalking (OS) is a population targeted, victimizing crime that has as much to do with therapy, as Easy-Bake-Ovens have to do with Sigmund Fraud! It's obsurd and defies even a childs limited reasoning!
Special Place In Hell

San Francisco, CA

#6855 Jan 7, 2013
"On The Media":
Our Privacy Delusions

*The Privacy Show!
*The Ease At Which Authorities Can Read Your E-Mail
*"If You've Got Nothing To Hide You've Got Nothing To Fear."

http://www.onthemedia.org/2013/jan/04/...
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6856 Jan 7, 2013
Special Place In Hell wrote:
"On The Media":
Our Privacy Delusions
*The Privacy Show!
*The Ease At Which Authorities Can Read Your E-Mail
*"If You've Got Nothing To Hide You've Got Nothing To Fear."
http://www.onthemedia.org/2013/jan/04/...
Excellent! Goes to everything OS and everthing privacy violating! OS is all about crimes based on violations to your privacy and has nothing to do with the absurd "do-whack-a-do" propagated by those engaged in some form of deception and manipulation. Why? Well OS victims need to ask those perpetuating this crap!

Victimization to distrubing, unethical, demented and sadistic psychological (in your face) stalking whose intent is to engage in domestic terrorizing is fact, and it's all being exposed for exactly what it is.

However, anything and everything associated with do-whack-a-do or woo-woo crazy talk is a perpetuated hoax, sham, scam and completely false and fraudulent,(also exposed over time) whose only intent is deception and manipulation toward covering up felony crimes/violations!

Again, all OS victims need to ask those perpetuating this crap, why are they doing so!
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#6857 Jan 7, 2013
Special, I thought this bit of information in the privacy articles was quite disturbing:

"So who has access to your location data?

Anyone who asks for it, according to Bob Sykora, chief information officer for the Minnesota Board of Public Defense. Sykora warned in a memo this June that location data retained by police is currently public. That means it could be obtained via record requests by data miners or other members of the public, he wrote, enabling burglars to learn someone's daily routine or ex-spouses to track former partners."

And gangstalkers to improve their stalking methods.

Same info could be looked at in terms of a gangstalker's license plate. Many of us have quite a collection of stalker plates and sometimes they turn out to belong to "no one." With this technology, the gangstalkers' locations could also be collected.

If one obtained the data for one's own car and then compared it to the data for stalker vehicles, it might prove interesting. They tend to take turns stalking...perhaps this is one reason why.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#6858 Jan 7, 2013
ptw wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent! Goes to everything OS and everthing privacy violating! OS is all about crimes based on violations to your privacy and has nothing to do with the absurd "do-whack-a-do" propagated by those engaged in some form of deception and manipulation. Why? Well OS victims need to ask those perpetuating this crap!
Victimization to distrubing, unethical, demented and sadistic psychological (in your face) stalking whose intent is to engage in domestic terrorizing is fact, and it's all being exposed for exactly what it is.
However, anything and everything associated with do-whack-a-do or woo-woo crazy talk is a perpetuated hoax, sham, scam and completely false and fraudulent,(also exposed over time) whose only intent is deception and manipulation toward covering up felony crimes/violations!
Again, all OS victims need to ask those perpetuating this crap, why are they doing so!
Are you saying you've gotten one or more to acknowledge that they know what you are talking about?

That's why I call it gaslighting. They do things to you and then when you call them on it they say they don't know what you're talking about. Total cowards. I've done it back to one or two strangers on occasion (only after they instigated it, and--surprise--they didn't like it), but mostly I try to ignore them or laugh at them. They are creepy as hell, but they are also total losers--being some other bully's bitch like that? Completely pathetic.

If you have ever gotten one to tell you the truth about what they were doing, I think we'd all like to hear how you did it and how it went--if you want to share.
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#6859 Jan 7, 2013
Is there ANY agency that organized stalking and electronic harassment can be reported and be taken seriously?
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6860 Jan 7, 2013
NoLiars,

Goodness, Gracious, Great balls of fire (alittle Jerry Lee Lewis).... "if I'd like to share"?

I though I was providing "extensive" sharing since pg 137 or rather now pg 134, since gannett news organization allowed the deletion of approx. 120 posts!(Yea, interesting, isn't it?) Maybe you'd like to review the lump sum total,(probably take a day or so).

What I don't rely on (to use your own words, is supposed) "truth" connected to "cowards", "strangers", "creepy" "total losers," "bully's" and "bitch (es)" !! I see no truth at all in any of these criminals, nor do I approach OS from it's warped sense,(but rather what it is; tyranny, terrorism, heretical, unconstitutional and undemocratic)! How about you??

I look for, approach and identify aspects of this corruption "as they present or disqualify themselves" over long periods of time. Realizing now that OS is cowardly corruption among varying entities. The more you address it the more you get a sense of it's depth, breath and reach.

Since OS is counter to both "logic and reason" (because it is cowardly corruption) they become my incorporated checks and balances to "total sum of abilities" (skills, knowledge, comparisons, learning, observation, experiences, documentation, exploration, circumstances, research, confirmation, analysis, interaction, testing, questioning, attention, detail, critique, education, encounters [threats/assaults, obstruction/tampering], and even reality and assumptions [probability, likelyhood,{sciences/technolog ies} and absurdity ] etc.), repeatedly. How about you??

You appear proactive and..."if you'd like to share"; my simple questions are these: So, who's "behind" this corruption? What's behind it? How's it done? Why the cover up? Who interjected crazy talk, why? How are you pursuing OS?

And as such, are you continually and formally documenting OS,(which is invaluable as a victim of a crime)? And if not, how come, it's all criminal, it's all corruption/obstruction/ tampering, it's all felony crimes, it's all violations (privacy/civil/legal, medical/financial/ employment rights, liberties) it's all assaults (stalking/defamation etc), it's all illegal/unwarranted, it's all about fraud/falsifications, it's all about abuse/misconduct/misfeasance (position/authority/ influence/policy), it all operates above and outside the law and it's all personally based?(This is what my pursuit of OS is teaching, enlightening and confirming to me about this insidious, sadistic, demented and sleazy "civil servant/enforcement" corruption)! No woo-woo!! No how!! No way!! No offense!!
Special Place In Hell

Netherlands

#6863 Jan 7, 2013
Awhile back, there was a discussion regarding photography and photographing certain people, etc.

The links below are from the ACLU:

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rig...

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/you-have-ever...
Special Place In Hell

Netherlands

#6864 Jan 7, 2013
The Spy Files/ACLU
Illegal Domestic Spying

Today the government is spying on Americans in ways the founders of our country never could have imagined.

http://www.aclu.org/spy-files
Special Place In Hell

Chattanooga, TN

#6865 Jan 7, 2013
Ten Ways To......(3rd time posting)
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/tech/top-10...
Use a search engine that doesn’t track you, like DuckDuckGo or Startpage for searches you want to keep private. Google’s Incognito setting, Microsoft’s Do Not Track setting and other browser privacy settings are not always effective, because they typically leave the decision of whether to track you up to the website you visit. There are no regulations requiring websites honor a “Do Not Track” request.
Special Place In Hell

France

#6866 Jan 8, 2013
The post, below, was taken from another Topix forum.
Have we all been duped?

perpinator:

Anyone c Jesse Venturas Conspiracy Theory Brain Invaders? If not you can watch it on his site or youtube. Check it out. Anyone hear about freedom from covert hasrassment and survelance site being shut down and derrick being an alleged government agent? The site ffchs is suspended i know that much.
Special Place In Hell

Ukraine

#6870 Jan 8, 2013
Addition to the above post:

" Without showing federal government responsibility, we are left to calling the police for help and working on a local level. Why would victims call the local police when they are part of the problem?"
Special Place In Hell

Regina, Canada

#6872 Jan 8, 2013
www.COINTELPRO Continues Today.org
Legal advice and support as a counter-attack to the perpetration of non-consenual human experimentation and electronic crimes against defenseless citizens.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776:
The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen, United States of America "...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...."

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#6874 Jan 8, 2013
ptw wrote:
NoLiars,
Goodness, Gracious, Great balls of fire (alittle Jerry Lee Lewis).... "if I'd like to share"?
I though I was providing "extensive" sharing since pg 137 or rather now pg 134, since gannett news organization allowed the deletion of approx. 120 posts!(Yea, interesting, isn't it?) Maybe you'd like to review the lump sum total,(probably take a day or so).
What I don't rely on (to use your own words, is supposed) "truth" connected to "cowards", "strangers", "creepy" "total losers," "bully's" and "bitch (es)" !! I see no truth at all in any of these criminals, nor do I approach OS from it's warped sense,(but rather what it is; tyranny, terrorism, heretical, unconstitutional and undemocratic)! How about you??
I look for, approach and identify aspects of this corruption "as they present or disqualify themselves" over long periods of time. Realizing now that OS is cowardly corruption among varying entities. The more you address it the more you get a sense of it's depth, breath and reach.
Since OS is counter to both "logic and reason" (because it is cowardly corruption) they become my incorporated checks and balances to "total sum of abilities" (skills, knowledge, comparisons, learning, observation, experiences, documentation, exploration, circumstances, research, confirmation, analysis, interaction, testing, questioning, attention, detail, critique, education, encounters [threats/assaults, obstruction/tampering], and even reality and assumptions [probability, likelyhood,{sciences/technolog ies} and absurdity ] etc.), repeatedly. How about you??
You appear proactive and..."if you'd like to share"; my simple questions are these: So, who's "behind" this corruption? What's behind it? How's it done? Why the cover up? Who interjected crazy talk, why? How are you pursuing OS?
And as such, are you continually and formally documenting OS,(which is invaluable as a victim of a crime)? And if not, how come, it's all criminal, it's all corruption/obstruction/ tampering, it's all felony crimes, it's all violations (privacy/civil/legal, medical/financial/ employment rights, liberties) it's all assaults (stalking/defamation etc), it's all illegal/unwarranted, it's all about fraud/falsifications, it's all about abuse/misconduct/misfeasance (position/authority/ influence/policy), it all operates above and outside the law and it's all personally based?(This is what my pursuit of OS is teaching, enlightening and confirming to me about this insidious, sadistic, demented and sleazy "civil servant/enforcement" corruption)! No woo-woo!! No how!! No way!! No offense!!
At first I thought this reply was hostile, but I've decided it's just energetic. The "if you'd like to share" comment was just intended to be polite, as in, I'm not trying to pressure you into talking about anything you don't want to talk about. I've said the same thing to other people before on this same forum--I think I said it to Ct Lady before.

So I'll assume the advice to ask people why they participate in OS was not meant to be taken literally(?) If the participants were truthful people, they would tell the target immediately that someone had contacted them about her, without her even having to ask, right? There is no honor in keeping secrets about an abusive situation. The target has a right to know. Shouldn't this be obvious to the participants? I don't care who it is that's telling them "don't tell." It's all cowardice. They have no legitimate reason to protect the anonymity of people who are using them to get to their target.

Clara

Walnut Creek, CA

#6875 Jan 8, 2013
Ct lady wrote:
Is there ANY agency that organized stalking and electronic harassment can be reported and be taken seriously?
Probably 30 years from now the president will issue an apology.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6877 Jan 8, 2013
NoLiars,

Questionably surprised (considering the extent of my posts), not sure of intent, but evaluated a response. My post are all out in the open, no back door shenanigans !

Posts reflect a sense that its a complete waste of time focusing on the "antics" of a "criminal",(yes criminal) and "assailant" (not a "desensitize" perp), who is assaulting/stalking, based strictly on "real" and abusive felony crimes/violations targeting and tracking your family.

Felony crimes (violations/corruption/obstruc tion/tampering etc.) are the apex and should be the focus, not the scam, shams, hoax's (woo-woo, do-whack-a-do). These obviously contribute to perpetuating deception and manipulation behind covering up these crimes through stupid attempts of shifting blame, once again to the victim. That's one nature of this corruption. So as victims, why pick `em up and run with `em?? Makes no sense, do it??

Yet, apparently there's a element within the scope of OS victimization seemingly working in tandem to it, that relentlessly trys to steer or keep focus on the antics, the bizarre, the woo-woo. Beginning to sound alittle over played, don't you think? I'd say one needs to begin asking why, of "these perpetuators," (not the debilitated victim caught up in the crap)? Not to mention, it's only humane and right to help victims by exposing this shameful crap for what it is, do you concur?(I'm asking questions, now)?

My previously posted questions are of a inquisitive nature toward contributing perspectives of OS. You're a victim, so....how does this corruption work beyond street level antics? Who's most likely behind it; and the bizarre contributing to it; and what far reaching extent, etc.? It all goes to understanding and addressing corruption. Which is precisely why I've asked core questions on corruption.

Otherwise what? We just wallow-around as victims, faking determination, resolve and purpose and wasting time while playing never ending targets to a perverse, demented and sadistic game of "Who violate,...You violate"? Or do we tackle the sum of all of it's parts, and re-focus on the real crimes/violations/corruption/a trocities and not stupid antics?(not accusing, just stating questions).
Special Place In Hell

United States

#6878 Jan 9, 2013
ptw wrote:
Several months ago, local TV, reported that as cops were raiding a drug house from the front, a cop was in the back in his underware, sitting at the patio table drink and smoking pot.....
Again what motivation is there but corruption for corruptions sake?
Maybe, because they know they can get away with it?

A close friend,(staunch Republican, pro-government, agrees with civil rights violations on Americans for our "safety") even commented on OS/GS saying, "'You' can't even go to the police about this", and, "Maybe, they know they can get away with it".

That was quite a statement coming from this particular person.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6880 Jan 9, 2013
Yea, but this corruption is slowly being exposed for exactly what it is: corruption! Controlled corruption, "intentionally felony" corruption, "intentionally violating" corruption, "intentionally unconstitutional" corruption, "intentionally anti- civil rights/liberties," abusive, self-serving and undemocratic corruption!

And this corruption is associated with one group/network taking distorted illegal, unwarranted (as you're links identify) and apparent personal and professional advantage of everything (positions, resources, policies [lying, depraved indifference], laws, all decency) to manufacture [fraudulent, false, fake, fictious, fabricated, retributive and vendetta driven] targeted "dossiers" on "all" of a naive, unsuspecting and defenseless public behind their backs!

This is its' controlling objective isn't it? Otherwise why all the ongoing systemic institutional/organizational, entity/agency, civil servant/enforcement personnel" lying, deception, manipulation and obstruction or "denial" (lack of accountability/ responsibility/ accountability)! Helping fuel this corruption is of course, deliberate over-reaching and mis-interpretations of Patriot/Safe Act or similar legislation,(coincidently by the very group/network that would have had input in creating/developing it from the very start)?

FYI, for all real victims (especially victims focusing on antics), "Special" has provided recent ACLU links to information addressing police extremes, "Domestic Spying," and violations to civil rights/liberties, and their enlightening!
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#6881 Jan 9, 2013
"they know they can get away with it" This is what I hope that we TI's can change. Perps should receive the punishment they reserve and TI's need people in the system to hear their complaints and take them seriously.

Also, those who outsource the TI to the stalking groups need to be identified and charged with criminal solicitation of murder.

Death of the TI is the ultimate goal of the gangstalkers' actions, especially when they start playing around with electronic weapons.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6882 Jan 9, 2013
ptw wrote:
NoLiars,
Questionably surprised (considering the extent of my posts), not sure of intent, but evaluated a response. My post are all out in the open, no back door shenanigans !
Posts reflect a sense that its a complete waste of time focusing on the "antics" of a "criminal",(yes criminal) and "assailant" (not a "desensitize" perp), who is assaulting/stalking, based strictly on "real" and abusive felony crimes/violations targeting and tracking your family.
Felony crimes (violations/corruption/obstruc tion/tampering etc.) are the apex and should be the focus, not the scam, shams, hoax's (woo-woo, do-whack-a-do). These obviously contribute to perpetuating deception and manipulation behind covering up these crimes through stupid attempts of shifting blame, once again to the victim. That's one nature of this corruption. So as victims, why pick `em up and run with `em?? Makes no sense, do it??
Yet, apparently there's a element within the scope of OS victimization seemingly working in tandem to it, that relentlessly trys to steer or keep focus on the antics, the bizarre, the woo-woo. Beginning to sound alittle over played, don't you think? I'd say one needs to begin asking why, of "these perpetuators," (not the debilitated victim caught up in the crap)? Not to mention, it's only humane and right to help victims by exposing this shameful crap for what it is, do you concur?(I'm asking questions, now)?
My previously posted questions are of a inquisitive nature toward contributing perspectives of OS. You're a victim, so....how does this corruption work beyond street level antics? Who's most likely behind it; and the bizarre contributing to it; and what far reaching extent, etc.? It all goes to understanding and addressing corruption. Which is precisely why I've asked core questions on corruption.
Otherwise what? We just wallow-around as victims, faking determination, resolve and purpose and wasting time while playing never ending targets to a perverse, demented and sadistic game of "Who violate,...You violate"? Or do we tackle the sum of all of it's parts, and re-focus on the real crimes/violations/corruption/a trocities and not stupid antics?(not accusing, just stating questions).
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