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George Zimmerman...Group Stalker?http://www.prlog.org/1 1916124.html

The Buzzsaw and Freedom of the Presshttp://www.freedomofthepr ess.net/intothebuzzsaw.htm
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An action cannot be classified as a crime unless intent or proof is found.
Multi stalking is done because it cannot be proved.
you can prove someone is guilty of being in a location but you cannot prove the person is there with intent to stalk. the only thing you can do is take video of a situation showing repeated coincidences. The treatment is designed to mimic mental health problems, prove it is happening by taking video.
some people on this forum will not have the intelligence to understand this treatment and as i said previously will attack me and make accusations against me. note i have not attacked them they are doing it to me they are stalkers
Legal reasoning all flawed.
English law doesn't actually require "motive, means and opportunity" merely sufficient proof that the accused did what they are charged with. In some charges, murder or causing death by reckless driving, proving the charge does require proof of intent, but others, manslaughter or causing death by dangerous driving, it doesn't, necessarily.

Gangstalking is, in English criminal terms, conspiracy to stalk, and for that you need to prove that the co-accused communicated plans or intention to stalk. It is ridiculous to say that cannot be done, because it has been done with the blackmail charges which were used to put Greg Avery and divers others in jail for what amounted to gang stalking, before the current stalking law is passed.

If you cannot prove conspiracy, you can prove "common purpose" if two or more people carry out actions towards the same end.

There is nothing about stalking or gang stalking which, certainly as of last month, cannot be addressed through the criminal law in England and Wales, and there is no mechanism by which persons purporting to do so as some sort of "community treatment" would be immune to the criminal law. They would merely be committing further criminal offences, such willful misconduct in public office.

There are numerous offences of professional misconduct involved in carrying any treatment on unconsenting persons in the absence of a treatment order from a court. If it is an experiment, it must further be licensed by the Secretary of State for Health, on the advice of the Medical Research Council. The last group to apply for a licence to do any similar thing, were experimental psychiatrists from the University of Sussex, some decades ago, and the licence was swiftly and explicitly refused.

Saying you cannot prove intent to stalk is not a barrier: English judges allow cases to be decided mainly or entirely on circumstantial evidence "if there is lots of it" and there has also been a ruling in the High Court that even apparently trivial or innocent actions constitute harassment if repeated frequently enough. You are citing absolutes in a legal system that has, since about the sixth century, and with only a 44-year break between 1066 and 1100, worked entirely in shades of grey.

If the police observe the law as it actually is, stalking can be dealt with in England and Wales, and in the United States, there's a Federal Law which has covered it since 1968. Channel Island Citizens can petition or "crie clamour" against ANY conduct they find harmful, and the Jurat, acting for the Queen as Duke of Normandy, can decide any such plea on its merits.

The police will try and avoid work, if possible. New regulations in England and Wales mean that if they fail to act on repeated complaints about harassment, the matter is automatically referred to the Her Majesty's Secretary of State for the Home Office. This is because of the Pilkington case, where a mother and daughter committed suicide after police failed to act on repeated complaints.

Police inaction on stalking and harassment has been noticed by several Home Secretaries in succession, most notably David Blunket and Jack Straw, and the current Home Secretary is maintaining the pressure they put on the police service, and especially ACPO.
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Dec 19, 2012
 
Dear Medawar: wish the U.S. had the same approach.Police do not help, it seems.
We actually had police involved in some of the stalking (like 10-15 police parked outside a motel we stayed at one night...no charges pressed, no questions asked. They were just THERE all night long.)Also had a cop shoot at us in Maryland.

We also have had incidents of people impersonating officers, and real officers neglecting to make a police report about an incident they observed when we called them to the scene.
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Dec 19, 2012
 
smarttarget- very interesting news item.
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Dec 19, 2012
 
I'm at my ninth month of being gang stalked by the local hispanic gang, they threaten my family,myself, and my pets on a daily basis, and they interfere with my sleep. Everyday I tell them to step up and get some, but unfortunately they are all cowards. The thing that gets me is the fact that it is a family of four doing this, the wife talks her smack to me the husband talks smack, the sancho talks smack, and to top it off their special needs child is doing a large portion of this attacking. These idiots are grooming their special child into becoming a loser gang banger like them selves, the one part that gets me is the fact that a mother would allow this to happen so much for parenting.
Any victims in Fresno?
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That is truely pathetic although not surprised about using children, it is a prime goal to induce children to engage in crimes/accusations as of women and the elderly assailants. What's interesting is the true "gang" mentality you've described and how it is "exactly" copied by your local corrupt network of civil servant/enforcement; sole owners and originators of "organized" stalking felony crimes.

Except for the obvious. An actual "gang" has nothing to loose identity wise, and in fact overt acts of bravado may define their status. It's cousin: civil servant/enforcement stalking/assaulting crimes are all based on illegal, unwarranted and cowardly acts of privacy, civil rights and liberties violations in effort to protect their livelyhood (not connect crimes to themselves) while attacking the public. Again it goes to core definition of what cowardly corruption targets: naive, unsuspecting and defenseless attacks behind the public's back,(all resulting from [random/vendetta/racial driven] illegal, unwarranted violations).

Not saying a corrupt community (if not) racist cop(s) hasn't interjected itself into this targeting or eventually offer assistence (through violations of privacy) because this is in part how these crimes turn into organized scheming atrocities (the other is plainly some neighborhood cop trolling for victims to violate). All it takes is a connection to a corrupt cop, followed by acts of cowardly criminal, anonymous defamation/assaults, "community" stalking, illegal tracking, eavesdropping, stealing mail followed by continual obstruction, tampering behind all efforts to report it.

If you are a victim of "organized scheming crimes (vs. true "gang" crimes);" All associated professional felony crimes/violations become evident through formal reporting/documenting, followed by consistent patterned practices of continuous and"deliberate inactions/suppression/oppressi on" of varying and similar forms/magnitude over time (between and among entities, this is database controlled corruption afterall).

I do however commend your courage on all counts,(identifying gang behavior and addressing or learning about it), and providing input for other victims in your area.(I've tried to provide input that may help to discern if truly "gang" gang stalking vs. organized scheming professionally organized corruption, that may or may not assist in other areas).
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Ct lady wrote:
Dear Medawar: wish the U.S. had the same approach.Police do not help, it seems.
We actually had police involved in some of the stalking (like 10-15 police parked outside a motel we stayed at one night...no charges pressed, no questions asked. They were just THERE all night long.)Also had a cop shoot at us in Maryland.
We also have had incidents of people impersonating officers, and real officers neglecting to make a police report about an incident they observed when we called them to the scene.
Police are probably the same, but a Home Secretary is a Principal Officer of State, which means he has far more power relative to the Prime Minister than the Secretary of the Interior has relative to the US President -and a remit that actually covers police efficiency.

Channel Islands have been built around the rights of individual citizens for a long, long time.
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Dec 20, 2012
 
Thank for the positive informative reply.
ptw wrote:
That is truely pathetic although not surprised about using children, it is a prime goal to induce children to engage in crimes/accusations as of women and the elderly assailants. What's interesting is the true "gang" mentality you've described and how it is "exactly" copied by your local corrupt network of civil servant/enforcement; sole owners and originators of "organized" stalking felony crimes.
Except for the obvious. An actual "gang" has nothing to loose identity wise, and in fact overt acts of bravado may define their status. It's cousin: civil servant/enforcement stalking/assaulting crimes are all based on illegal, unwarranted and cowardly acts of privacy, civil rights and liberties violations in effort to protect their livelyhood (not connect crimes to themselves) while attacking the public. Again it goes to core definition of what cowardly corruption targets: naive, unsuspecting and defenseless attacks behind the public's back,(all resulting from [random/vendetta/racial driven] illegal, unwarranted violations).
Not saying a corrupt community (if not) racist cop(s) hasn't interjected itself into this targeting or eventually offer assistence (through violations of privacy) because this is in part how these crimes turn into organized scheming atrocities (the other is plainly some neighborhood cop trolling for victims to violate). All it takes is a connection to a corrupt cop, followed by acts of cowardly criminal, anonymous defamation/assaults, "community" stalking, illegal tracking, eavesdropping, stealing mail followed by continual obstruction, tampering behind all efforts to report it.
If you are a victim of "organized scheming crimes (vs. true "gang" crimes);" All associated professional felony crimes/violations become evident through formal reporting/documenting, followed by consistent patterned practices of continuous and"deliberate inactions/suppression/oppressi on" of varying and similar forms/magnitude over time (between and among entities, this is database controlled corruption afterall).
I do however commend your courage on all counts,(identifying gang behavior and addressing or learning about it), and providing input for other victims in your area.(I've tried to provide input that may help to discern if truly "gang" gang stalking vs. organized scheming professionally organized corruption, that may or may not assist in other areas).

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Medawar wrote:
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Police are probably the same, but a Home Secretary is a Principal Officer of State, which means he has far more power relative to the Prime Minister than the Secretary of the Interior has relative to the US President -and a remit that actually covers police efficiency.
Channel Islands have been built around the rights of individual citizens for a long, long time.
Please do your homework first. The US Department of the Interior oversees such agencies as the Bureau of Land Management, the US Geological Survey and the National Park Service.

Have a nice day!
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Technology you need to know.

1. Microwave auditory effect - declassified
2. non lethal weapon - chemical testing from mkultra experiments.

3. artificial intelligence - available from i this and that and android.- Take a photo of some restaurant and it will give you the location of that photo. These are available civilian technology, do you think that other agencies may have even better ones?

4. Who do you think has the resources for all the bullshit victims described?

5. Morrison and Foester suing on brain implantation, a technology available decades ago.

GOOD LUCK AND GOOD BYE with these international protocol.
Medawar

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Hektor Seven wrote:
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Please do your homework first. The US Department of the Interior oversees such agencies as the Bureau of Land Management, the US Geological Survey and the National Park Service.
Have a nice day!
In other words, there is no-one actually in charge of police efficiency at the national level.
From everything I have learned, that would fit. Thanks you proving my point with a typical Hector quibble.

The DoJ doesn't appear to have any EFFECTIVE regulatory function over the police at county and state levels, and the FBI's remit is limited by statute as well as resources.

I realise that the reasons for all of this are to do with avoiding Federal Government tyranny, but there seems to be considerable scope for organised crime to impose its own form of oppression instead.

The problem is that, constitution and statutes define which of many law enforcement bodies has jurisdiction over a given crime, and there can be bewildering differences in this between counties, never mind states, but there's very little which can be done when the jurisdiction holder sits on his arse and does nothing, because no-one else is able to move in and do his job for him.

I've contacts who've encountered this problem all over the Southern United States, and have seen nothing to suggest it's actually any different in the North.

The other thing which is different, not just in England but in the whole UK, is that any constable can make an arrest anywhere if he has to. This is, unintentionally, the best anti-corruption measure there is, because enclaves of corrupt police can be penetrated, without warning, by other forces at any time. They might take money to protect a gang from arrest, but don't actually have any means of guaranteeing this.

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Medawar,

I was pointing out to you that here in the United States there is no national police force and if there were it wouldn't be under the juristiction of the Department of Interior, or any other federal agency. If you want to present yourself as any kind of expert about the government of the United States I only ask that you do your homework first.

Quibble that!

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People, you have a disease made of nano-technology which makes all the crazy and insane stuff possible. Mind control, public/organized stalking, chemtrails, extremely strange events, etc. are all interconnected. Everything has been figured out, you just need to read the proper information. There is even a way to cure yourself from this nano-tech disease too. Everything including this CURE and physical PROOF is here:

http://www.dataasylum.com

"...light 'em up!"
- Rise of the Zombies (2012)
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Medawar wrote:
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In other words, there is no-one actually in charge of police efficiency at the national level....

The problem is that, constitution and statutes define which of many law enforcement bodies has jurisdiction over a given crime, and there can be bewildering differences in this between counties, never mind states, but there's very little which can be done when the jurisdiction holder sits on his arse and does nothing, because no-one else is able to move in and do his job for him....
An irony of the above statement is that the jurisdiction holder at the top of the pile is: U.S. Atty General Eric Holder (as was Ashcroft, Gonzales and MulCasey before him)!

Efficiency? The Justice Department has the FBI and the Office of Inspector General, the FBI has the Inspection Division,(all have civil rights divisions); states have State Atty Generals and State Prosecutors. States have Departments of Law Enforcement, state Office of Inspector General, local areas have departments of Professional Standards or Inspection Departments. And these enclaves (or entities) have a supposedly accountable individual at the top; Director, Chief, Attorney, Captain, Sheriff, department head, supervisor/manager, etc. Is it really efficiency of is it more simply unchallenged, self-investigative, self-regulating unbriddled, real corruption, fraud, abuse and misconduct all in operation above and outside the law (under self-serving control)?

Is it that everyone isn't responsible, culpable or accountable (efficient), or is the real problem pervasive corruption, systemic corruption, institutional/entity/agency corruption that's become the one acceptable way of doing business? Boots on the ground corruption, post/office corruption, supervisor corruption, head honcho corruption, department corruption, division corruption, entity corruption, agency corruption, institutional corruption, database institigated / implemented / controlled top to bottom, bottom to top corruption!

These entities, agencies, departments, divisions and individuals don't operate in a vacuum, any more that it's their first day on the job and you're their first victimized citizen to come along, working their way of the chain! The only individual believing in "firsts" is you, the victim having recognized you've been despicably, illegally and unwarrantedly violated/assaulted, and naively believing you have protected and respected rights, liberties and freedoms. Wrong! They are the spoked wagon wheel that makes up their world and pays their checks; you on the otherhand are the speck of dirt, trying to overturn the applecart; that's to be brushed asside (their view, not yours)! And it's called institutionalized/entity/agenc y obstruction of justice, investigative tampering, violation of privacy, civil/legal rights and liberties!

Organized scheming felony corruption/crimes/violations/a ssaults are organizational wide, by career employees buried deep within a chain of corruption, a channel of corruption, systemic corruption, violations, atrocities (and assaults) operating within an illegally "migrating/flowing" database of local, county, state and federal corruption. What career employee do you know, is the big man to step forward to right corruption? What would be their fate? Don't you think they already know this? Is it efficiency, or is the only option or choice to sit back down and (cowardly) conform?

Really, what is it about pervasive, self-investigative, self-regulating, self-serving and self-protecting corruption that's not understandable?
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Well said ptw.
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If you are a target, and realize the weird stuff going on, I just advise that you change your locks frequently and have someone you know put up some firewalls on your computer, and just drop it. If you look into it and become well informed, you are going to cause a world of problems for yourself, because now you are really going to be paranoid. Its good to be informed, but in this case the information works against you. Its too late for me.

All thats happening with the swarming and mobbing and syncronizations how the NLP conditioning works, is annoying. These people are annoying. And thats it. Annoying ass people doing stupid things for no reason.

If you think you are the product of slander and people in real life that you actuall know look at you funny, just explain someone is spreading rumors and they arent true. Say something it started as, and then elaborate into a worst possible scenario. And dont go any further.

It is a chinese finger trap, the more you know and fight, it gets tighter. I am fucked already. Somebody told me this a few days ago when I showed him information. He read it and was like, "I can tell by reading this just a little that even if it is happening, the more you get into this its just going to get you more paranoid" And the truth is, without the psychological hold, it is just a nuscience and very annoying. You can ignore it though. But its annoying.

The wrapped me up sexually. Major sexually. There was pretty much, nothing I could do. If they wrap you up sexually though, I know that if you take anti-psychotics like Risperidal, Invega, etc., you wont have any sexual interest towards anything. And thats how I stopped noticing the gangstalking. But Im off the meds now. And Im starting to regret my choice. It is NOT delusional thinking either.

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Problem solution depends on problem definition. Defining the problem is a problem in itself.

The reason why reading gangstalking material on the internet could pose a threat is because targeted individual might feel a need to fit in into definition and start projecting nonexisting patterns or looking for patterns that aren't there thus making situation even worse than it is. So "organized stalking" sites could serve as diversionary and deception vehicle depending on person's capability to filter and process information.

One has to realize that ganstalking is ad-hoc affair tailored towards that particular individual vulnerabilities designed to isolate TI (neutralize) or expose something (eg TI asking for help from someone will expose some suspected connection). Every situation is unique and only TI himself/herself can make a case for the reasons, methods and goals.
http://redecomposition.wordpress.com/2012/12/...
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A Special Place In Hell wrote:
Moral disengagement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Moral disengagement is a term from social psychology for the process of convincing the self that ethical standards do not apply to oneself in a particular context, by separating moral reactions from inhumane conduct by disabling the mechanism of self-condemnation.[1]
Generally, moral standards are adopted to serve as guides and deterrents for conduct. Once internalized control has developed, people regulate their actions by the standards they apply to themselves. They do things that give them self-satisfaction and a sense of self-worth and refrain from behaving in ways that violate their moral standards. Self-sanctions keep conduct in line with these internal standards. These processes are forms of moral disengagement of which there are four categories: reconstructing immoral conduct, displacing or diffusing responsibility, misrepresenting injurious consequences, and dehumanizing the victim.
Dehumanizing
A final disengagement practice, dehumanization, is applied to the targets of violent acts and depends on how the perpetrator views the people toward whom the harmful behavior is directed. Once dehumanized, divested of human qualities, people are no longer viewed as persons with feelings, hopes, and concerns but as subhuman objects which do not evoke feelings of empathy from the perpetrator and can be subjected to horrendous treatment.
Again, bears repeating on every page! It's how initially naive others will contribute to the propagation of this corruption, then criminally and cowardly afterwards (abusive influence or entrapment by corrupt civil servant/enforcement).

However, Doctors and Lawyers are two groups of professionals required to sell this corruption above the street level and they know it. Cowardly Doctors (believing criminally anonymous), have repeat contact with assailants (new/existing patient propagated fraud/staged events, targeted accusations/defamation) followed by direct civil servant/enforcement (patient/official fraud) contact eliciting victim violations to all privacy, civil (legal/medical) rights/liberties via professional malpractice in attempts to legitimize and sell this corruption (felony crime).

Lawyers know the targeting of this corruption the second they look up your name in a database. Both professions will actively engage in elicited malpractice (patient/client) from the start with intent to (protectively, illegally, professionally) propagate medical/legal (database) fraud, violations to privacy, civil rights/liberties. If victims know anything about this corruption it's to professionally criminalize, stigmatize and discredit victims (in effort to cover up corrupt civil servant atrocities, violations, crimes) and what better two groups!

If the only two common groups in town to sell this corruption were ass pickers and nose pickers, they'd be solicited instead. It is by intent and default that cowardly and criminally acting Lawyers and Doctors are elicited to propagate "supportive" felony malpractice, crimes and violations!

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Anyone else with a Topix account having trouble posting their comments on some forums?

With all the smut that's on Topix, I find it hard to believe Topix is censoring.

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Anyone else with a Topix account having trouble posting their comments on some forums?
With all the smut that's on Topix, I find it hard to believe Topix is censoring.


Do you get any errors? Do you post and everything is fine, but later your post disappears or you simply can't post? What about captcha (numbers that you have to enter in each post)

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