Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
Kyle McProblems

Minneapolis, MN

#6575 Dec 10, 2012
What about lucid dreaming/dream control? Ive looked this up and cant find any information about this anywhere, not even books.

This is what Im experiencing. Just last night even. Some guy from the hospital I was in broke into my house and started playing all my video games and invited a whole bunch of people over. In my situation, they even know people I used to know, or met in the psyc ward, and they appear in my dreams. I dont remember most of the dreams. But it has become more and more frequent as time went on, and its probably even easier for them to do now since they know all my patterns.

They led me on, sexually, through nocturnal emissions, into thinking the reason I was going through the gangstalking was so I could meet this particular girl. They said I had a problem but they could fix it. They said she didnt like me right now, but she will in the future if they fix the problem. It gave me a weird motive, because it seemed like I should probably try to have sex with her. People that werent supposed to be talking to me about it, really actually told me that in person as well even, so I was able to use this information to prove that there was in fact an investigation going on around me. It turned out to be a situation with a girl where a meet up wasnt possible, because during this process, I was going through a character assassination that was making me look unappealing to her. Even her mom was appearing in my mind to tell me things while I slept. Interpretative things that arent very clear. But it was a strange motivater. At the time. Like she wanted to make a long term thing with someone she doesnt even know.

It got very intense in the psyc hospital when they started drugging me. Thats when the dreams really started getting intense. It was different forms of rape and people from this family the girl was in staring at me and making fun of me while I do that thing that males do to get off when there arent any female prospects around. It was weird. And my male nurse woke me up from one of the dreams and then gave me a dirty glare and even vaguely referenced it as he stared me down, then told me to get up and go to "group" (which is a little place you go to in the psyc ward to get better.). The other male nurse even used some kind of liquid to draw a picture of eyes on the back of his clipboard so I would see them first thing when I woke up that morning. It was very frustrating. One time a doctor using the same name of a rape victim I know gave me some drugs with my psychiatrist, and I think that is the night I had one of the dreams. They were using men at weird times too. The gangstalking revolved a lot around men doing dominant-gay things in front of me (showing me their asses and pulling their shirts way up to show me their bodies, then spitting on the ground right after). It was intentionally one of the most sexually confusing things ever, and I am 100% sure it was done on purpose. I was being "punished". By the organization.

It is very possible to do this. Is this a unique experience to only me? I know it is very possible to do this, and it has drawn itself out into a long term process, and Im really not impressed. This caused confusion and disorientation and really held me in a negative mind state through lucid intervals, and now trying to look like they are gonna try to avoid going to hell by doing something "good" with it later. I see things, like images of people I used to know at one point in life, all the time. If it wasnt for the fraudlent diagnosises Ive recieved and the information I have, Id think that Im hallucinating. Pretty much, all the time. For like 6 months. Then it stopped for a year. But the dreams still happened occasionally. I know what an instigated dream is like. And now its been like this again for the past 5-6 months.

Does anyone know anything about this technique? Because this is extremely annoying, and a major violation.

Since: Sep 12

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#6576 Dec 11, 2012
Little Eichmanns
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“The concept of justice should not be overlooked in considering the Unabomber phenomenon. In fact, except for his targets, when have the many little Eichmanns who are preparing the Brave New World ever been called to account?”

—John Zerzan, Whose Unabomber?[emphasis added]

"Little Eichmanns" is a phrase used to describe persons who participate in society in a way that, while on an individual scale may seem relatively innocuous even to themselves, taken collectively create destructive and immoral systems in which they are actually complicit — comparable to how Adolf Eichmann, a Nazi bureaucrat, unfeelingly helped to orchestrate The Holocaust.

Since: Sep 12

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#6577 Dec 11, 2012
Moral disengagement

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moral disengagement is a term from social psychology for the process of convincing the self that ethical standards do not apply to oneself in a particular context, by separating moral reactions from inhumane conduct by disabling the mechanism of self-condemnation.[1]

Generally, moral standards are adopted to serve as guides and deterrents for conduct. Once internalized control has developed, people regulate their actions by the standards they apply to themselves. They do things that give them self-satisfaction and a sense of self-worth and refrain from behaving in ways that violate their moral standards. Self-sanctions keep conduct in line with these internal standards. These processes are forms of moral disengagement of which there are four categories: reconstructing immoral conduct, displacing or diffusing responsibility, misrepresenting injurious consequences, and dehumanizing the victim.

Dehumanizing

A final disengagement practice, dehumanization, is applied to the targets of violent acts and depends on how the perpetrator views the people toward whom the harmful behavior is directed. Once dehumanized, divested of human qualities, people are no longer viewed as persons with feelings, hopes, and concerns but as subhuman objects which do not evoke feelings of empathy from the perpetrator and can be subjected to horrendous treatment.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6578 Dec 11, 2012
Jose wrote:
.... gang stalking, it is real and people are being bullied by police, firemen, city hall, social services, DMV, librarians, clerks, doctors, nurses, postal workers, neighbors, landlords, etc,
And there you have it: "child to grownup" cowardly bullying, and all based on violations to your privacy, which makes it felonies!

And which segments of every community (universal crime) are the only entities or network capable of implementing, instigating and controlling illegal activities behind all privacy violation based bullying?

You tell me,(You get three trys, first two don't count; that's how obvious it is)!

“"Anytime a married man sees a ”

Since: May 12

beautiful, he feels cheated"

#6579 Dec 11, 2012
Hektor Seven wrote:
ptw,
Black and white thinking? All or nothing? No exceptions? Hindsite biases?
Mr. Seven, what is "gangstallking" in your opinion? Or the origin of it, if it in fact, exists? You seem to dance around the cause and/or existence from your stand point. Do you believe that it is a mental disorder or form of manifested paranoia and/or guilt? Don't say your opinion is irrelevent or your position unimportant! What is your flag? Where is your country on this subject?.....assuming of course you have no hesitations about your freedom of speech and right to your own opinion without fear of reprisal or alienation from your peers....:) I just wonder what, exactly do you insinuate or suggest about the topic of gangstalking?
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6580 Dec 11, 2012
Newbees and victims, fellow poster "Special" provided two excellent primer introductions (above posts) of history (origins) and social psychology (avenue), from which present day "organized scheming corruption" has heinously recycled itself.

This present day corruption (OS), is of course Nazi Fascism revisited; as any non-novice (long standing), "real" victim equates (and as it appears, within the same controlling industry, entities and institutions: civil servant/enforcement).

So what is fascism according to Webster's dictionary: A system characterized by dictatorship; centralized autocratic governing or control; belligerent nationalism and racism; militarism; social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition; <early instances of army ~ and brutality>.(Interesting comparison isn't it)?

Everyone knows that the civil servant/enforcement industry has laws "specifically tailored" to their behaviors:

(harassment, intimidation, victimization, obstruction of justice, tampering, fraud, falsifications, threats, misconduct, abuse [positions, influence, authority, resources, duties, policy, alliances, services], whistleblower crimes, violations [privacy, civil/legal rights, liberties], deception, manipulation, "organized scheming," patterned practices of depraved indifference, lying, framing, aiding and abetting, misrepresentation, malpractice, malfeasance, misfeasanse, crimes, perjury and "assaults").

However, there now appears to be total disregard for laws by a lawless enforcement due in part to an industry that self-investigates itself and therefore by default, self-regulates itself,(not good)!

No do-whack-a-do, no crazy talk, no woo-woo, no hocus-pokus, no sensationalizing; just simple, everyday corruption, crimes, assaults, violations and abuses (by unwarranted illegal human behavior). Illegalities taking place behind the public's back and under their noses targeting civil rights, civil liberties, privacy and freedoms from within it appears,(databased) institutions entrusted to defend against atrocities, yet seemingly protecting them.

And how? By none other than simply viewing civil servant/enforcement felonies as a benefit, a perk and even a right vs. a crime and violation! How else have these levels of "organized scheming" corruption (OS) been allowed to manifest themselves at such magnitude over decades, with absolutely nothing (officially) being done about it?

Again, what other everyday profession are you aware of, that is suddenly unable to grasp very simple, primary percepts and concepts to their own job (stalking)? And not once, but unconditionally across all spectrums; local, county, state and federal (universally/nationally)? Unless of course...within the OS / enforcement continum, there are much more sinister crimes against humanity and felony violations to privacy, rights, and liberties taking place?
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#6581 Dec 11, 2012
Dehumanizing. That perfectly describes the attitude of perps toward their victims. We TI's are not real people to them--just targets. Collateral damage I suppose is when ones friends and family members are attacked with EH while in the proximity of a TI.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6582 Dec 11, 2012
Family and friends I know are victims to only the same set of realities (civil rights/liberties and privacy violation based crimes, fraud, falsifications, defamation, misconduct, abuse [influence, position, resources, authority, lying, deception, manipulation, manufactured events]) behind these cowardly illegal and unwarranted felonies, as of those obstructing and covering it up over the last 14-15 yrs.

No rocket science here, no other realm as we know it, just plain-jane good ole boy/assailant crimes/violations, threats/atrocities and tracking/stalking/assaulting, hiding behind systemic corruption!

It really is past time to de-sensationalize OS for exactly what it is, cop crapola based violations/crimes/assaults! Really hope experiences help others in getting a handle on and addressing OS.

Since: Sep 12

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#6583 Dec 11, 2012
Banality of evil
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Banality of evil is a phrase used by Hannah Arendt in the title of her 1963 work Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil.[1] Her thesis is that the great evils in history generally, and the Holocaust in particular, were not executed by fanatics or sociopaths, but by ordinary people who accepted the premises of their state and therefore participated with the view that their actions were normal.

Explaining this phenomenon, Edward S. Herman has emphasized the importance of "normalizing the unthinkable." According to him, "doing terrible things in an organized and systematic way rests on 'normalization.' This is the process whereby ugly, degrading, murderous, and unspeakable acts become routine and are accepted as 'the way things are done.'"

Reicher and Haslam have challenged Arendt's idea of the banality of evil. They acknowledge that ordinary people can commit evil actions, but assert that it is not simply a matter of “blind people following orders.” They point to historical and psychological evidence that suggests ordinary people become evil when they identify with evil ideology.[2]

Since: Sep 12

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#6584 Dec 12, 2012
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6585 Dec 12, 2012
Once again, fellow poster "Special" has help victims by providing valuable information behind fundamentals of OS toward having a better understanding of nothing more than human behavior,(from two different perspectives); and how only human behavior is behind all crimes against humanity, atrocities and corruption attributed to both Nazi Fascism its modern day OS.

Mean and nasty (illegal, unwarranted and privacy violating based crimes) human behaviors are the only link to promoting all of OS; which all victims should recognize for their own fundamental good,(no woo-woo, no do-whack-a-do)! Os and over-sensationalizing OS, both are a result of nothing more than promoting unhealthy human behavior!

The continued promotion of both is shameful and needs to stop!

Since: Sep 12

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#6586 Dec 12, 2012
This quote came from an OS website.
Interesting way of thinking.

The reality is that the group is giving you a great deal of power. How much of the time of their days is spent talking about you, plotting about you, following you around, making up ridiculous little skits, and so on? I dare say that you are the most powerful person in their world. You are at celebrity status. If your group is like my group, they know all your physical features, they know what you wear, they know what you eat, drink and what you like and don’t like. The only thing missing is your spread in Vanity Fair!”

I was talking to one of my lifelong spiritual advisors recently. I was telling her how amazing the VIPs who contact me are. To my delight, she said “Well you know, the brighter the light, the bigger the bugs”. I laughed uproariously, the visual analogy of a bunch of big ugly moths repeatedly flying into a light source being so perfect. But then she went on to tell me that people who are dwelling in darkness crave the light so terribly that they try to suck the light out of bright individuals.

Since: Sep 12

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#6587 Dec 13, 2012
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
HS:
Please, take note.
Never again reply with "you can't" when it comes to providing an "actual news story" regarding Organized Stalking.

Since: Dec 09

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#6588 Dec 13, 2012
Xsiv,

To answer your question again... Please read the first posting in this forum.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#6589 Dec 13, 2012
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
<quoted text>
HS:
Please, take note.
Never again reply with "you can't" when it comes to providing an "actual news story" regarding Organized Stalking.
Organized, by individuals stalking individuals?
Individual stalking is well understood. Gang stalking is what needs to be understood.
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#6591 Dec 13, 2012
Organized stalking aka gangstalking IS understood- by those involved, for the most part.It is just usually kept out of the public eye.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6592 Dec 13, 2012
Only a corrupt civil servant/snitch, squealer, informant would contradict itself in the same comment. What does a gang do, if not stalk its victims ! Once again OS is defined by its corruption, obstruction and stupidity.

Since: Dec 09

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#6593 Dec 13, 2012
CT lady,

How would you know what is understood by those who are involved? Unless one of them is you?

ptw,

Name one gang that stalks individuals!
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6594 Dec 13, 2012
Webster's dictionary; Gang: a group of persons working together; a group of persons working to unlawful or antisocial ends; to move or act as a gang; a group of persons acting or going about together.

2000 yrs ago,(history/belief), our (not yours) Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ was followed, conspired against and condemed by a group of priests, and later attacked by groups, gangs of townspersons lining the path as this poor, beaten individual progressed to his death.(Pathetically amusing to modern day stalkers justifying their behavior).

Of course any two or more individuals can constitute a group or gang (based on behavior) as far back as history goes, as everyone knows; including sites' resident cyber stalking felony criminal!

Based on observation I'd state that all low life, demented, sadistic stalkers (prerequisite), and fellow "corrupt" civil servant/cyber stalking snitches/squealers/informants (hello), exhibit total lack of morals and integrity of overriding stupidity.

And why is that; because unlike everyone else in life, they make things up as they go, followed by monkey see, monkey do! It's what a crooked group is all about! They, their entire lives and profession are a fraud! It's defines them and their actions (stupidity); a sham and scam of effortless violations to civil rights, liberties and privacy of everyone else, then cowardly assaulting for kicks!

Gang of Bullies, Gang of Thugs, Gang of Cowards; especially Cowards, and their proud of it !

Once again no mystery, no woo-woo, just a "stupid's" cheap and sleazy way out (defame others), to ever trying to be decent, respectable or honorable!

Since: Sep 12

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#6595 Dec 14, 2012
Hektor Seven wrote:
<quoted text>
Organized, by individuals stalking individuals?
Individual stalking is well understood. Gang stalking is what needs to be understood.
"Stalking by Proxy" is well understood and documented.
Just snother name for Organized Stalking.

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