Gang Stalking Debate Forum!

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#6552 Dec 8, 2012
ptw,

Black and white thinking? All or nothing? No exceptions? Hindsite biases?
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6553 Dec 8, 2012
Again, cyber stalking in not a debate.

I defer all your "behaviors" to McProblems, you seem to have a connection.
Ct lady

West Haven, CT

#6554 Dec 8, 2012
Dear McProblems..You wrote "The problem is, is that they are done hurting me,..."

It seems to me from all I have read that perps are never done hurting TI's.

Being offered a wife sounds like something from the FDLS...

If you have been a TI for three years why would they offer you a wife now? A bit unclear.
Kyle McProblems

Minneapolis, MN

#6555 Dec 8, 2012
Its very possible, this thing Im set up in has me conditioned that I actually think it is helping me sometimes. Or that there is something good about it. Thats how I got caught on the hook. While I was in church one of the last times I was with them there, they basically said, then emailed me a bunch of times when I got home that day, that I was going to need to go through some trials and tribulations in order to become a better person. Because I did something they didnt like. Then the real massive harassment started. I started to believe that I should be a better person, and they are right about me not being good.

I really just want them to give me some money. It is probably unrealistic, but they from the start were telling me how wealthy they are and how they can help me.

They actually do that whole marriage thing though. It really is to make all these people that stalk think that they can do anything they want, and they will avoid going to hell by giving you something in return. They really actually believe that they are doing good things. Ive observed them do this same thing to another person before, without all the major long term harassment. I personally know some of these people. If you get on their bad side, thats when the very focused gangstalking ties in with the cause stalking. There are a few sides to this group. They people I was closest with was from the drug dealing side of things. Then I met the 'higher class' business-like individuals afterwards. And then I met the hardcore christians after that. I also live in Minneapolis, and the drug dealing side of things has some major ties in with the music scene over here. Like serious promoters and artists and whatever. I was a musician at the time and met some of these people. I also know how music and drugs tie together a lot. So it gets big this way.

Not only do the police not even do anything about it here, they participate too. In my case, its even the medical system, educational system, court system and fire department as well. AND government institutions like the public library.

Like all gangstalkings, it is covered up and you really can never prove anything. But in this case I really think it is an elite family that has major ties in business/drugs/some government jobs (mabye like the DMV). Some people are also in the military though. Like, high up, like a sargent and even more. I personally know a few of these people. I think the major people up there are just getting the rest of their family/organizations to do things, carry out a bogus investigation in attempts to make you look bad, use that as a reason to 'help' you (since they are trying to make you a better person, and it gives them a reason to live and whatever), and pretty much just do what someone is saying until you kill yourself. And now you are some psychotic person that eventually killed himself, and you did so much bad stuff during this time while they were investigating. These people get used and it sticks because it is giving them a social responsibility and a way to inter connect with other people. It becomes a religion. Just like a cult.

They arent doing it for no reason either. They definently have to have no remorse, but they are just testing things out on you. It could be used for military intelligence purposes, psychological research, ways to get revenge against outsiders (once again, I am well aware of the drug distribution they are into) and create an image as not to ever fuck with them, publically. Probably more than one reason. They arent just doing it to be mean. You can do all kinds of stuff with enough information on one person. Use it for all kinds of purposes. Especially if you really are a major player in an organization like this.

This is Minnesota. Stay the hell out of here. Unless you want to help me murder people. Some of the main players I know are from LA, and NY too. All over the country.

-McProblems
Kyle McProblems

Minneapolis, MN

#6556 Dec 8, 2012
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
<quoted text>
Just what I've always said.
Unless the suspect is dumped into their laps, the police...
DO. NOTHING.
On the local level, they're just tax collectors.
The police seriously do absolutly nothing if you report this. I reported it, and got sent to the psyc hospital. The police were even participating too. Some people from the organization told the police I had a problem with "drinking and driving", so this made the cops monitor me and think it was for a good reason. That is a technique called "rat-fucking" in the gangstalking concept. The police would come to my house when I would call them, and tell me how wrong I am because I dont have solid proof. It was really direct and hostile like that too. I have very little respect for the law enforcement agency over here. They came over and listened to me before, but it was very suspicious. Once your a target, you pretty much realize that your going to have to take things into your own hands, and all the rules of society and life have now changed, and your pretty much going to have to make up your own...
DaN99

Farmington, CT

#6557 Dec 8, 2012
Have you all lost your minds?

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#6558 Dec 8, 2012
DaN99 wrote:
Have you all lost your minds?
Care to expound....."DAN"?

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#6559 Dec 8, 2012
Hektor Seven wrote:
Excuse me.
Unless you are doing something wrong...police, detectives as you have written, are not going to hassle you. There must be an agenda you keep that bothers your conscience... something you are doing that keeps you on guard. You are aware of whatever you are doing so much but for whatever reason you can not stop doing it. You can free yourself from this cycle but, you must take the first step by yourself!
HS=Thought Police.
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6560 Dec 9, 2012
redecomposition wrote:
I'm TI in EU. It's been going for over a year now very intense. I started blog trying to look at it from different perspective and disect it as much as possible. Your ideas, suggestions and comments is appreciated:
http://redecomposition.wordpress.com/
I understand much of the direction your analyzing and it provides excellent insight (haven't read everything yet) however, considering OS's universality and longevity, I see "corruption" and accompanied "obstruction," as the "dual blind" that an entirely victimized public is slowly awakening to. And it appears this dual blind exist through gross, illegal, unwarranted (technology afforded, privacy induced) violations, hiding behind expanding, self-preservating contributing criminal behaviors (from controlled fraud, framing and entrapment, etc., to propagating a psychosis,[this is where crimes against humanity comes in]) by a freely lawless, self-regulating abuse (militarized enforcement) engaged in civil rights atrocities against all of society (especially those who discover and identify it).

So if suspected, this is no longer a "caveat" as recently posted #6547...("Of course we have to assume that harassment is not coming from the law enforcement system to begin with")...but the sole framework and therefore at it's only solutional core. How does this change things?

And not to be diminishing in any way (since texting has its limitations), while understanding parallel facts/constructs/elements/assi stence if however, when something is heinously and sadistically introduced into society for exactly that intent, to be "heinous and sadistic" (corruption and obstruction), what then?

The more I dive into OS (which is really a misnomer, that speaks only to one physicallity), the more I recognize unbriddled corruption and obstruction as the problem and exposing it as it's only real solution.(Recognizing this simple fact for victims can be a big step toward dealing with it (as Cher says to Nicoles Cage "snap out of it") and therefore address and focus on a real problem: "organized scheming corruption and ensuing obstruction of justice"!

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#6561 Dec 9, 2012
In conjunction with the comment above, I am posting the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimen...

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#6562 Dec 9, 2012
Also,

The Milgram Experiment, "The Perils of Obedience":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experim...

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#6563 Dec 9, 2012
Look at transcripts under the video.......
Dr. Keller, NYU Program for Survivors of Torture

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/8/experime...

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#6564 Dec 9, 2012
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
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HS=Thought Police.
Thank you for noticing your paranoia. I feel grateful knowing that my challanges to you cognitive distortions are affecting you to the point of blaming instead of identifying. Staying on the beam is working.

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#6565 Dec 9, 2012
Hektor Seven wrote:
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Thank you for noticing your paranoia. I feel grateful knowing that my challanges to you cognitive distortions are affecting you to the point of blaming instead of identifying. Staying on the beam is working.
Nice try.

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#6566 Dec 9, 2012
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
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Nice try.
Not try, do! And it is works! For you!

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#6567 Dec 9, 2012
ptw wrote:
<quoted text>

The more I dive into OS (which is really a misnomer, that speaks only to one physicallity), the more I recognize unbriddled corruption and obstruction as the problem and exposing it as it's only real solution.(Recognizing this simple fact for victims can be a big step toward dealing with it (as Cher says to Nicoles Cage "snap out of it") and therefore address and focus on a real problem: "organized scheming corruption and ensuing obstruction of justice"!
“One of the most common human failings is to examine a complex phenomenon from only one perspective and claim to make definitive conclusions based on that limited perspective.“
This is the quote from master thesis on irregular warfare deception operations. It is very interesting read and most TI's will be able to identify a lot of what is going on if looking through deception operation prism. Thesis doesn't explain operational aspect of deception.

http://redecomposition.wordpress.com/2012/12/...
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6568 Dec 9, 2012
A Special Place In Hell wrote:
Look at transcripts under the video.......
Dr. Keller, NYU Program for Survivors of Torture
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/8/experime...
Exactly, exactly, exactly and all well know and documented as to effects....and again, what is the only closed profession capable of infusing through its core some of these "nasties" propagating their way into civilian life?

And now with "universal OS," a once naive public/society is awakening to an increase in universal ills/violations, that as many evaluate, appears associated to one universal source: Instructional militarized training (and its ill transition into civilian life).

And with it, taught and allowed conflict and violation breaking the rules of (normally) core civilian human rights, values, beliefs, liberties and even decency (OS), showing up in a multitude of professions, and especially one in particular (that's most similar and having reduced it's standards for required accomodations).

Sadly ill prepared, careless re-introduction into normal life, also has its own self-inflicting consequences...
ptw

Orlando, FL

#6569 Dec 9, 2012
redecomposition wrote:
<quoted text>
“One of the most common human failings is to examine a complex phenomenon from only one perspective and claim to make definitive conclusions based on that limited perspective.“
This is the quote from master thesis on irregular warfare deception operations. It is very interesting read and most TI's will be able to identify a lot of what is going on if looking through deception operation prism. Thesis doesn't explain operational aspect of deception.
http://redecomposition.wordpress.com/2012/12/...
Thank you for the response to your inquiry, I am aware of introductions of human failings, for one....(OS)! Not sure questions (or hypothesis) were addressed, yet understand conceptual rules. However they are based on a framework from over a decade of direct (visual/experienced) physical threats and instantenous responses to reporting threats and repeatedly identified illegal violations to our privacy. Repeated consequence (reprisal) to repeatedly introduced antecedent,(making a statement).

One thing I've learned about OS, it will always expose itself through repeat behaviors. It is patterned behaviors, in an unpatterned, variable world. And although calculating,(sleazy violations/crimes/ assaults, abuse/ misconduct, corruption/obstruction) it reeks of (criminal) stupidity.(Perceptions, based on repeated experiences I veiw as less likely to be deceptions, however I do evaluate. Time will tell !

Since: May 12

Niagara-on-the-lake, Canada

#6570 Dec 9, 2012
People, its done. It's over. Let it go. For PHYSICAL PROOF and A CURE to the NANOTECH-DISEASE you have see this page and site here.

http://www.dataasylum.com/targeted-individual...

Everything 100% accurate is on that site.

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#6571 Dec 10, 2012
Military tests high-tech ray gun on prisoners/Raytheon working on hand-held version (August 2010)

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