Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
Eleanor White - Ontario

Toronto, Canada

#4635 Jul 4, 2012
xsiv wrote:
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Im afraid I have to agree with Mr. 7.......its reasonable to say that eleanor you does have a sense loftiness about her. Bossy and controlling people, in my opinion, suffer from low self-esteem. Which would be totally understandable considering what horrid offenses must have been commited against you over 32 Years.
"Low self esteem?" Try "understands how critical good communications is, and how little other targets understad that."

Or try "understands how terrible things will be for all targets if a few violent people get us all labelled by their behaviour."

Being emphatic isn't "bossy" - it is speaking out when speaking out is needed.

Eleanor White
Black Wizard

Lawrence, MA

#4636 Jul 5, 2012
So how does being empathic empower your impoliteness? If you were being empathic you would demonstrate an understanding of another's feelings which often are hurt when being bossed around.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.asapx...
Medawar

UK

#4637 Jul 5, 2012
Eleanor White - Ontario wrote:
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There is no massive die-off of targets that I'm aware of. We seem to be dying from time to time, just as the general public is.
While I *believe* the stress shortens our lives, and that the perp electronics has the potential for causing disease, that is so far from being proven. To say or imply that "people are dying" from OS is reckless, unprovable communications.
We have to be as professional and evidence-oriented as the officials we need to do their jobs and stop this crime.
Eleanor White
I think this needs a bit of qualification:
Some TIs are being stalked only because the perps cannot get away with killing them, which would be their preferred option.

In other cases, the perps are in business with people who kill routinely.

In still others, the perps are refraining from killing only in order to enjoy the victim's torment.

There are places, such as Germany and Belgium, where OS is quite often a prelude to murder or abduction. I suspect that in France it's too easy to get away with murder (especially of foreigners) for anyone much to bother with stalking, unless they happen to enjoy stalking for its own sake.

It's certainly my impression that life is a LOT cheaper in Texas than Ontario, so you cannot assume that, despite the similarity of methods, the desired and actual outcomes of the stalking are not significantly worse in Texas.(Georgia and the Carolinas: worse still.)
Anonymous

Carson, VA

#4638 Jul 5, 2012
RunGSersRun wrote:
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The only problem I have with your theory of "hunkering down" is that thats exactly what they want you to do. They want you in one place so your harassment is cheaper and easier to perform.
I have found that when I perform any kind of activism what so ever they zap the crap out of me even worse then normal. So I would think you would be getting it worse then me.
And I've also discovered that when I take my rifle with me on fishing trips to the boonies the attacks are MUCH weaker. Leading me to believe they are using a type of portable DEW and are afraid to get to close.
I would call that a good thing. And it involves a firearm.
As far as freaking out and going to officials ....that stopped a long time ago. We all know thats not going to work without solid evidence.
And you say that your attacks lessen in severity when you keep a low profile. While that may be true in your case,and I'll admit that to a certain degree it's true in mine.
BUT they ALWAYS ratchet it up again for no particular reason.This is all about training you to be a good little target and not make waves.
And here is another little tidbit that you probably wont like. I believe that there are a lot more people who know whats going on then you think.
I've told many perps(who I know were not involved in stalking at first)
what they were doing is stalking and to do a little research.
So in my mind they know exactly what they are doing and deserve whatever they get.
And until you can give me a better reason as to why we dont have more long term targets I have to assume they are dead. And my info supports that theory. I'm not saying it's iron clad evidence,but it sure points to that.
Very sound advice Run. This hunkering down is something that my consciousness will not let me perform. I carry a handgun, 5 boomerangs and ten hunting darts where ever I go. The boomerangs I have learned to make and throw by the Aborigines in southeast Asia and the darts are long sharp needles with plenty of impact and accuracy from practice and the gun. If the others fail to get the fools attention the gun sure will. the lady is a liberal and believes the sky is blue and the butterfly's are her friends. There is a lot of clowns out there who have no work and are more than willing to try out an easy target. Also, I am expert at hand to hand and love to beat people up, comes from the dojo. Roll over, never.
I was on this psychiatric job once and some clown there targeted me, came at me and i just blocked out his weak right hand with an open hand and assortment of dodges and moves, well, off to the patient advocate I was sent. He told me it was the policy to lay down in these instances and roll up into a fetal position and wait for help. I told him to go up to that tough ward and show me. He told me "[email protected] You, I'm not going up there1" So you see. it is easier for some to dictate, but as I told him As you are a dictator, just which one is it are you a dick or a tater. I was fired. Two days later some jolly fat nurse was charge on the ward and this big psychotic monster punched him right in the jaw, broke in 4 places and he sat on the gurney in the hospital until they could figure out which insurance company would pick up the bill. I have been kicked out of every prison in the state of Virginia for standing up for myself because these gutless wonders want to dictate. So are they Dicks or Taters!!? I will go down but take some with me, usually without an eye or some teeth. I just do not know how this liberal can walk around in the perfect world unless it is in her kitchen!!!
Eleanor White - Ontario

Kingston, Canada

#4639 Jul 5, 2012
Medawar wrote:
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Some TIs are being stalked only because the perps cannot get away with killing them, which would be their preferred option.
How did you find that out?

Eleanor White
Eleanor White - Ontario

Kingston, Canada

#4640 Jul 5, 2012
Wloclawek Warrior wrote:
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I carry a handgun, 5 boomerangs and ten hunting darts where ever I go. The boomerangs I have learned to make and throw by the Aborigines in southeast Asia and the darts are long sharp needles with plenty of impact and accuracy from practice and the gun.
Self defence is one thing, but aggressive violence which the aggressor says publicly is because he/she is an OS target will cause the public to think the problem is in our minds in the form of intent to commit violence, and not the minds of the perpetrators.

I urge again: Targets who understand how the world works, and how the mind of the public works, state firmly that you do not want any violence done in our name!

Eleanor White
Anonymous

Carson, VA

#4641 Jul 5, 2012
i AM pOLISH AND MY PARENTS WERE CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVORS WE KNOW VIOLENCE
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#4642 Jul 5, 2012
Eleanor White - Ontario wrote:
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Self defence is one thing, but aggressive violence which the aggressor says publicly is because he/she is an OS target will cause the public to think the problem is in our minds in the form of intent to commit violence, and not the minds of the perpetrators.
I urge again: Targets who understand how the world works, and how the mind of the public works, state firmly that you do not want any violence done in our name!
Eleanor White
You keep saying this under the assumption that we would live long enough for that to do any good.
In fact you've been trying this method for thirty plus years with no results......other then people dying.
Eleanor White - Ontario

Kingston, Canada

#4643 Jul 5, 2012
RunGSersRun wrote:
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You keep saying this under the assumption that we would live long enough for that to do any good.
In fact you've been trying this method for thirty plus years with no results......other then people dying.
This rapid die-off thing is *your opinion*, to which you are entitled. It is not a proven fact. And I have communicated with at least as many targets world wide as you have, and I have not heard any evidence that targets are dying off at a significantly greater rate than the general public.

And you have no business hanging the lack of progress on me.

I am ONE target. I can only use good communications on a small handful of members of the public.

What IS holding back progress is the 99.999% of targets who don't give a damn about what the public thinks, or officials think, they are just going to say what "feels right" to them.

The blame attaches to THAT ATTITUDE, and not the handful of targets who are trying to change that attitude.

Eleanor White
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#4644 Jul 5, 2012
Eleanor White - Ontario wrote:
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This rapid die-off thing is *your opinion*, to which you are entitled. It is not a proven fact. And I have communicated with at least as many targets world wide as you have, and I have not heard any evidence that targets are dying off at a significantly greater rate than the general public.
And you have no business hanging the lack of progress on me.
I am ONE target. I can only use good communications on a small handful of members of the public.
What IS holding back progress is the 99.999% of targets who don't give a damn about what the public thinks, or officials think, they are just going to say what "feels right" to them.
The blame attaches to THAT ATTITUDE, and not the handful of targets who are trying to change that attitude.
Eleanor White
You have shown me nothing that proves your theory is correct either.
And i'm not hanging the lack of progress on you in particular.
It's my contention that neither method is effective. Especially when you consider the very people you're campaigning to are the one's responsible for OS.
I agree with you in that the public must be informed as to whats going on to stop this. Going to public officials wont get you anywhere.
The problem is that the general public doesnt believe it's happening and wont until you have concrete proof.
While I do believe OS will eventually be exposed,it will be to late for a lot of people.
So when a target in their last days loses it,I dont see how you can blame them. Considering you aren't in their position,you have no right to judge.
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#4645 Jul 5, 2012
Eleanor
Are they hitting you day and night with DEWs?
If I am not in constant motion I am being hit. This goes for my friend as well.
In fact I am being hit as I type this as is my friend.
And from talking to VOCCT she is in the same boat.
The stalkers you describe in your neck of the woods make me feel warm and fuzzy.
Eleanor White - Ontario

Kingston, Canada

#4646 Jul 5, 2012
RunGSersRun wrote:
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The problem is that the general public doesnt believe it's happening and wont until you have concrete proof.
That means be especially careful to educate them with the factual information we have to date, and go lightly so as to not switch off their interest. They can only take in a small amount of truth in any one encounter.

I have brought a few non-targets to the point where they do believe something nasty is happening to targets. You don't hear about that because the number is small, and these people don't go out and appear on TV shows telling the world about what they have learned.

You don't believe me, that is your choice.

I have brought more to where at least they wonder if it's true, and don't dismiss me as a nut case, which happens if you just say what "feels right" to you.
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RunGSersRun wrote:
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While I do believe OS will eventually be exposed,it will be to late for a lot of people.
So? That's not my fault. It IS the fault of targets who don't care what the public or officials think, and keep repeating things that cause the public and officials to label us as mentally ill. Next time you tell me the lack of progress is my fault, go complain instead to the vast majority of targets who don't care what is said.
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RunGSersRun wrote:
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So when a target in their last days loses it,I dont see how you can blame them.
I'm not "blaming them" for "losing it." I AM blaming any target who tells other targets to do things which have been shown to harm our credibility, and there are lots of targets who do that.
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RunGSersRun wrote:
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Considering you aren't in their position,you have no right to judge.
How long I may live isn't relevant to the quality of communications issue.

What I post is how to earn the serious attention of the public, and I have every right to judge anyone's quality of communications. You keep forgetting I post for ALL readers of this message board, not just the person whose post I happen to be replying to. If you don't want others to comment on what you write, then consider not posting such information on a public message board.

Eleanor White
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#4647 Jul 5, 2012
Eleanor White - Ontario wrote:
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That means be especially careful to educate them with the factual information we have to date, and go lightly so as to not switch off their interest. They can only take in a small amount of truth in any one encounter.
I have brought a few non-targets to the point where they do believe something nasty is happening to targets. You don't hear about that because the number is small, and these people don't go out and appear on TV shows telling the world about what they have learned.
You don't believe me, that is your choice.
I have brought more to where at least they wonder if it's true, and don't dismiss me as a nut case, which happens if you just say what "feels right" to you.
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So? That's not my fault. It IS the fault of targets who don't care what the public or officials think, and keep repeating things that cause the public and officials to label us as mentally ill. Next time you tell me the lack of progress is my fault, go complain instead to the vast majority of targets who don't care what is said.
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I'm not "blaming them" for "losing it." I AM blaming any target who tells other targets to do things which have been shown to harm our credibility, and there are lots of targets who do that.
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How long I may live isn't relevant to the quality of communications issue.
What I post is how to earn the serious attention of the public, and I have every right to judge anyone's quality of communications. You keep forgetting I post for ALL readers of this message board, not just the person whose post I happen to be replying to. If you don't want others to comment on what you write, then consider not posting such information on a public message board.
Eleanor White
So if the you were to the point of dying you would just lay there and let them finish you off? THATS what I mean when I say you have no right to judge......because you are not in that position. And until you are you have no right to judge. Am I being clear?
Mrs Sainah Samurai

Brooklyn, NY

#4648 Jul 5, 2012
Excuse me, again.
Eleanor, could you please refresh what factual information you are using to 'educate the public'? I've read through this forum several times and being part of the public I just haven't seen any factual information...yet!(Just trying to help) Sorry if I seem so dumb about this, but I don't feel any 'education' is going to happen without this.
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#4649 Jul 5, 2012
Mrs Sainah Samurai wrote:
Excuse me, again.
Eleanor, could you please refresh what factual information you are using to 'educate the public'? I've read through this forum several times and being part of the public I just haven't seen any factual information...yet!(Just trying to help) Sorry if I seem so dumb about this, but I don't feel any 'education' is going to happen without this.
Here are two examples where the police actually admit it happens.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Stalked-drugged-and...

Eleanor White - Ontario

Kingston, Canada

#4650 Jul 5, 2012
RunGSersRun wrote:
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So if the you were to the point of dying you would just lay there and let them finish you off? THATS what I mean when I say you have no right to judge......because you are not in that position. And until you are you have no right to judge. Am I being clear?
The BEST COMMUNICATIONS TECHNIQUES for educating the public (and therefore eventually causing exposure of these crimes) DO NOT CHANGE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS NEAR DEATH.

I'm sorry, but that is a fact of life, and I am not resposible for that.

Eleanor White
Mary

United States

#4651 Jul 5, 2012
ptw wrote:
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bears repeating, posted jan 2012, pg 137, post #3058
I think it has something to do with the cochlear implant and darpa, so how do you find out when how and who did this to you. Say like I know of only one person that was in a job such as what was said and that was cathy marsh in st.pete. Fl , so where would you go from there? Just asking after all this reading
Mrs Sainah Samurai

Brooklyn, NY

#4652 Jul 5, 2012
RunGSersRun: Thank you for those links. My hubby and I sat together to watch both and discussed what we saw. In the second video, the YouTube one, a police officer did say something like 'this has been going on for a long time and he did use the word 'gangstalking'.

The first video was an unfortunate situation for a lady who picked a control freak drug using doctor to start a relationship with. We (my husband and I thought the woman might have given her key to the crazy doctor!) The doctor had a thug friend do the dirty work for him.
(con't)
Eleanor White - Ontario

Kingston, Canada

#4654 Jul 5, 2012
Mrs Sainah Samurai wrote:
Excuse me, again.
Eleanor, could you please refresh what factual information you are using to 'educate the public'? I've read through this forum several times and being part of the public I just haven't seen any factual information...yet!(Just trying to help) Sorry if I seem so dumb about this, but I don't feel any 'education' is going to happen without this.
A good start is available here:

http://www.stopos.info/os.pdf

Eleanor White

“"Anytime a married man sees a ”

Since: May 12

beautiful, he feels cheated"

#4655 Jul 6, 2012
Eleanor White - Ontario wrote:
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"Low self esteem?" Try "understands how critical good communications is, and how little other targets understad that."
Or try "understands how terrible things will be for all targets if a few violent people get us all labelled by their behaviour."
Being emphatic isn't "bossy" - it is speaking out when speaking out is needed.
Eleanor White
Eleanor, I'm not advocating violence. the world is a dark enough place as it is. but, when you are repeatedly violated, raped, assaulted, and invaded, one tends to build up a little anger. maybe even rage. after the GS started on me, I tried everything to try, and catch these minions. I enlisted friends, family, & strangers to assist. Nothing has been effective. There are some mornings I wake up, and know that I have been sexually assaulted while trying to sleep in the "safety" of my own home. I bought a gun, thinking "I'll show those mutha f&%[email protected]!ers!" Things cooled down for a bit. Suddenly by, what I should have been able to predict, my house was robbed, and among other things stolen was the shotgun I had barely learned to use. Having a loaded shotgun next to my bed at night gave me a sense of security, and empowered me to defend myself if ncessary. I'm not saying "shoot the person first, and make sure you drag the body inside before you call the police!" All I am saying is maybe if more people took a more militant stance against all these crimes being commited against us, we wouldn't be such "sitting ducks". Thats exactly what I feel like many times. A lame ass, defenseless DUCK! Slowly driving someone to the point of deparation, rage, or death gives the victim enough time to consider ways of stopping the behavior, and defending themselves. Somebody has to do something. Nobody believes that I am being gang-styalked in the first place. So, how is that going to give TIs a bad reputation if GS doesn't exist!!

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