Gang Stalking Debate Forum!
tommy

Lafayette, LA

#3775 Mar 26, 2012
why couldnt a target use an associate to do surveillance , and capture the stalkers on video, entering your property of following you. why cant someone stalk them? i know it sounds dangerous. but if you were able to capture someone on video invading you in such a way, couldnt that help?
tommy

Lafayette, LA

#3776 Mar 26, 2012
targ wrote:
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I shouldn't even bother to respond to you, but since you asked the question, I can clarify it for you.
You see, in the world of gangstalking, the "perps" play the game of getting their targets (TI's) to lash out and blame those around them for the harassment. So, as you could imagine, one of the games the perps play is to get their TI's to publicly make accusations against someone ... one of "their people."
Then, a "shell game" is played, and all the authorities will see is a crazy person (the TI) hurling accusations at what seems to be an "innocent person" (the perp). However, these "innocent" persons are FAR from innocent!
When the TI makes an accusation publicy to ANY authority, the TI will be REQUIRED to give the name(s) of those they are accusing. Of course this is EXACTLY what the perps want! They can then deny everything, and they will be "one step ahead" of the TI (and the authorities), and it will look like the TI is accusing an innocent person unjustly.
The perps will then use this to sue the TI for making false accusations, libel, slander, etc... the sky is the limit. Ifthe TI has no money, then the suit will then be directed towards institutionalizing the TI.... which seems to be one of the main goals of gangstalking from its inception.
Does this clear things upn a bit for you now?
why couldnt a target use an associate to do surveillance , and capture the stalkers on video, entering your property of following you. why cant someone stalk them? i know it sounds dangerous. but if you were able to capture someone on video invading you in such a way, couldnt that help?
tommy

Lafayette, LA

#3777 Mar 26, 2012
Robert Tevault wrote:
The program is being run by the FBI and usually a combination of intelligence agents from various agencies. Yes, slander is a big component, and it is bizarre to see how many people just believe whatever they are told by government officials. The real purpose of the program is to separate people who are willing to commit anti-social acts of cruelty against complete strangers, to isolate pain-in-the-ass, outspoken citizens from ones obedient to authority, and basically segregate Americans into good, loyal neo-nazi assholes from people who fight against such things. The plan has a long-term agenda. The organization and resources necessary to carry this harassment and social "slow-kill" genocide (see Vic Livingston) out certainly point to a depressing endgame on the part of western former democracies. See the document below for a better understanding of where this is leading and why it is so valuable to the powers that be.
http://americainrevelation133.blogspot.com/
robert, i am in lafayette also, and only just learned about gangstalking this weekend. I had never heard of it before and I read the news endlessly, especially online. heck, i guess I have been too embroiled in politics since 2008 when the media did what it did. anyway, have you seen gangstalking in lafayette to a large degree? I am having a hard time with the motives, and devoting so much time and manpower to each and every individual they target. If the government is involved, then it should be suffice to say that every single OWS participant will soon if not already be targets for this type of treatment. the government could have used mind control on these protesters or caused them to do much more criminal activity so that they would be viewed less favorably. what do you think the powers that be have in store for OWS-or are they working for them?
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#3778 Mar 26, 2012
tommy wrote:
i have only just learned about gang stalking this weekend( march 2012 ). i just happened to read a story about it online and once I looked into it more, it is everywhere. but i have been constantly hearing the same story over and over and over and over- but no one mentions WHY? and maybe no one knows- but why invest so much time and energy and manpower to do this to people-people who do not seem like they have that much to lose. that is, what do the stalkers want to happen? what is the benefit? why wouldnt we doing this to known criminals or terrorists? why everyday people? what is the motive? what do they gain?
There are a lot of theories regarding why it happens. I believe it's a combination of them.
In my case it was property they wanted. In many cases I believe the victims are crash test dummies.The actual perps(those who are recruited to do the dirty work)are usually on the fringe of society or are losers in the this game we call life and they do it out of jealousy or just to feel like they are doing the community a favor by getting rid of undesirables in the community.
The thing you have to remember is the lies told to these people about the target. In my case they have accused me of being a pedophile and drug dealer. Which is a complete fabrication.
As far as to what they gain?Like I said property in my case. Some say it's a government experiment. As to how you get targeted and why. It appears that there is a group of people who pick and choose who gets the treatment.
These people pick you if you have something they want or they see you as an enemy. It could be experiments on controlling the population. No one knows for sure.
I am going to assume you are on the level. Frequently perps get on these boards to spread disinformation to cloud the issue.
So if you truly want to learn about Organized stalking please watch what you say and how you say it to avoid being labeled a perp.
When you consider some victims have nothing of real value,it lends credence to the gov experiment theory.

I've been a victim for around twelve years now.And believe me when I tell you that I have searched every avenue to get to the bottom of this atrocity.
The thing that sold me on the truth of O.S. is that after around ten years of not knowing what was happening to me I stumbled on O.S. on the internet. And to my surprise every ones story was EXACTLY like mine. Obviously this is impossible if it were a mental disorder.Which is what they would have you believe.
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#3779 Mar 26, 2012
tommy wrote:
why couldnt a target use an associate to do surveillance , and capture the stalkers on video, entering your property of following you. why cant someone stalk them? i know it sounds dangerous. but if you were able to capture someone on video invading you in such a way, couldnt that help?
You do catch them at it sometimes. But when the authorities are in on it,it does no good to complain. It just gets swept under the rug.
Another problem is getting some one to help you. Most dont believe it's really happening.
tommy

Lafayette, LA

#3780 Mar 26, 2012
well, like I asked someone else, why wouldnt they have used this on Occupy Wall Streeters. I would think every one of those people are targets now. But in your case, like do they show any humanity? do they give you a reprieve during the holidays? when 9/11 happened didnt the perps grow at least a bit of conscience. Why cant we do this to known terrorists here in our country? why don't we do this to the criminals that we release from prison and put back on the street? couldnt there be a better application of this resource??
tommy

Lafayette, LA

#3781 Mar 26, 2012
targ wrote:
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Let me clarify:
I think my perps have been using an imitation voice to skull, done with HAM radio equipment, as Dr Sharp noted was possible. Mine began in 1996 and hasn't changed much, except it went 24/7 on Feb 12, 2000. Before that, I mainly only heard them in the late afternoon/evenings or on certain specific occassions, but not 24/7.
I think, the electric fan has stray capacitance like all such eletrical devices. It resonates at a frequency, which is the same or close to the same frequncy my perps are transmitting their imitation voice to skull signal at.
Them = tansmitting the signal carrying their voices
Me (via the fan or any electical device)= receiving the signal
The frequncy(s) are the same or very close. It acts as a complete basic radio circuit.
The only question I have is HOW THEY MANAGED TO SOMEHOW PUT MY BODY in the circuit.
what do the voices tell you?
tommy

Lafayette, LA

#3782 Mar 26, 2012
RunGSersRun wrote:
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Getting your password is incredibly simple for your perps considering they have your phone tapped.
All they have to do is wait till you leave,set off the alarm and wait for you to return.
The alarm company calls you and asks for your security word....and bingo they have it.
Cell phone connections are even easier. All they do is use a cell blocker and your screwed.
Just recently they cut my dial tone wire outside the house making the alarm inoperative.
They also tamper with video cameras. They came into my home recently(they left all the doors unlocked so I would know they did)
and my cameras showed nothing.
And since I'm sure Suktor will say I forgot to lock them.....the video clearly shows me locking them.
why did you let this happen? didnt you have someone that could have spied for you, that would have seen them cutting wires? I am sorry. I am just trying to "wrap my head around" this , as they say. I have only recently learned about GS, and I am by no means a target or victim. I was just browsing the net when I read about this phenomenon. But I know GS is real because I have seen youtube videos of targets. but some targets are much less believable, or the way they tell the story makes it unbelievable. if GS lasted for years against me, i feel like I would solicit help from my close friends to catch perps, to trap them, threaten them. Can any target out there give one, just one example, with proof, that a perp was actually caught, and paid a price? there's no way that a perp would not slip up at some point, you know their car has a flat tire, they get in an auto accident, these perps are regular citizens, they eat, they shop, they have to pay bills. where are the stories of small victories, even if anonymous? it just seems like one of those movies where no one believes the victim, no one.
Eleanor White

Gore Bay, Canada

#3783 Mar 26, 2012
RunGSersRun wrote:
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I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and let them kill me without a little retribution.
They aren't going to kill you.

Instead, they want you to become so disturbed you kill yourself.

Eleanor White
tommy

Lafayette, LA

#3784 Mar 26, 2012
Danny J wrote:
Hey people, I was able to get under the skin of one of my perps in Southern Ca. by screaming in my home that I hate Wetbacks, as I drove away from my home that same day a hispanic dude with license plates that had "Wetback" made sure that I was able to see their plates. As I arrived in northern Ca. a hispanic dude tried starting a fight with me for not knowing spanish. I learned these tactics to find my perps and study their lives, I also wanted to see who is dope dealing . It turned out that many perps are really dope dealers and car thieves that are engaged on TIs. As for Perps being racist, I believe that is the only word that fears Big Brother more than anything else. Big Brother will send a wide variety of perps to omit looking like a racist.
the perp ran out and got a plate with "wetback"? i cant believe that. how quickly did that happen? talk about a waste of time and effort. couldnt they make their point some other way? still trying to believe this stuff. does GS happen to people randomly or mostly to people who are somehow affiliated with the law, the mob, illegal drugs,etc.?
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#3785 Mar 26, 2012
tommy wrote:
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why did you let this happen? didnt you have someone that could have spied for you, that would have seen them cutting wires? I am sorry. I am just trying to "wrap my head around" this , as they say. I have only recently learned about GS, and I am by no means a target or victim. I was just browsing the net when I read about this phenomenon. But I know GS is real because I have seen youtube videos of targets. but some targets are much less believable, or the way they tell the story makes it unbelievable. if GS lasted for years against me, i feel like I would solicit help from my close friends to catch perps, to trap them, threaten them. Can any target out there give one, just one example, with proof, that a perp was actually caught, and paid a price? there's no way that a perp would not slip up at some point, you know their car has a flat tire, they get in an auto accident, these perps are regular citizens, they eat, they shop, they have to pay bills. where are the stories of small victories, even if anonymous? it just seems like one of those movies where no one believes the victim, no one.
I've had numerous small victories. Problem is,thats all they are.
You may win a few battles,but you're out numbered and out gunned.
You cant talk to friends on the phone or by E-mail about plans because they are intercepted.
All the perps have to do is wait for your friends to get tired of trying to help and they're right back at it.
It's really not that hard to figure out how they work,but it is hard to find ways to work around them.
And remember,even if you do get info or pics and video they either disappear or the authorities ignore them.
And what stops a DEW? Nothing thats what.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#3786 Mar 26, 2012
Hektor Seven wrote:
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"Type �mind control� or �gang stalking� into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details � red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13p...
Bump... please read about it from the link above!
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#3787 Mar 26, 2012
Eleanor White wrote:
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They aren't going to kill you.
Instead, they want you to become so disturbed you kill yourself.
Eleanor White
When I've got a tumor on my kidneys because of these A-holes.Benign or not.
I find it hard to believe they aren't trying there damnedest to do just that.
I am one of the lucky TI's in that I wont go broke or be forced into homelessness.
I dont care about the chickenshit street theater or the lies they tell. I have enough friends who know it's bullshit.
The vandalism is nothing more then an annoyance. They break it,I get it fixed.
If what you say is true,they have already lost.Because I'm not going to kill myself or go insane.
I dont know the particulars of your stalking,but when they hit me so hard I'm pissing blood and I have to take four hydro codons to stop the pain,I would have to think they are damaging my body.
Eleanor White

Gore Bay, Canada

#3788 Mar 26, 2012
RunGSersRun wrote:
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When I've got a tumor on my kidneys because of these A-holes.Benign or not.
I find it hard to believe they aren't trying there damnedest to do just that.
I am one of the lucky TI's in that I wont go broke or be forced into homelessness.
I dont care about the chickenshit street theater or the lies they tell. I have enough friends who know it's bullshit.
The vandalism is nothing more then an annoyance. They break it,I get it fixed.
If what you say is true,they have already lost.Because I'm not going to kill myself or go insane.
I dont know the particulars of your stalking,but when they hit me so hard I'm pissing blood and I have to take four hydro codons to stop the pain,I would have to think they are damaging my body.
My take, after 32 years of this, is that among other goals, they enjoy inflicting pain. My opinion is that they don't care if you die, but they continue to draw pleasure in your suffering meanwhile.

With their powerful technology, I believe they could drop us dead any time they wished.

Eleanor White
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#3789 Mar 26, 2012
Eleanor White wrote:
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My take, after 32 years of this, is that among other goals, they enjoy inflicting pain. My opinion is that they don't care if you die, but they continue to draw pleasure in your suffering meanwhile.
With their powerful technology, I believe they could drop us dead any time they wished.
Eleanor White
While I agree with the enjoying inflicting pain part and the ability to kill if they choose.
I'm not so sure they aren't trying to kill me..just slowly to add to the fun.
And considering all the other BS they do is not effective....
targ

Stockton, CA

#3790 Mar 26, 2012
tommy wrote:
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why couldnt a target use an associate to do surveillance , and capture the stalkers on video, entering your property of following you. why cant someone stalk them? i know it sounds dangerous. but if you were able to capture someone on video invading you in such a way, couldnt that help?
The associate, whomever they may be, will likely be turned against the TI eityher willfully or forcefully. If the associate make a video recording, it will get erased or dissappear. For example, the persp will break in and steal the camera with the footage still in it of nothing else, which I have had happen to me. If you set up a time lapse camera anywhere in your house/apartment, it won't be there when you vcome home. They can watch every move you make and when they break in when you aren't home, they will snag the camera ... again and agian ... and again, etc ... until you gewt the message that their people will not allow you to make a video of them. This is also what has been done to me. The same thing happens when they follow you.

If you have an an authority figure get involved (a police iofficer, for example) the perps will smell them a mile away (they have police scanners) and there will be no perps or anything out of the ordinary in plain sight - not at least while any police officers are around to observe. As soon as the police leave, the harassment and gangstalking will continue where it left off. This is alos what was done to me.(BTW, some TI's claim that the cops must be involved because of this type of thing happening. Bu, in my case, I don't think so, but I do not know 100% for sure or not).

Because the perps have complete access to your entire private life, there is nothing you can hide from them. No matter what you try to do, they will always be "one step ahead" of you and anyone else working with you on your behalf. The perps will also cover their tracks so that everything they do will not look like anything other than a coincidence or "life's normal breaks." This is all by design and it is part of the cover that they use. Even immediate family members and people very close to you will be fooled and have the wool pulled over their eyes by these sneaky and clever perps. I don't really think that perps in general are really all that intelligent, but they ARE organized and they know how to follow orders. They do what they're told and as long as they do that, the bottom line is that there isn't much a TI can do to counteract them.
Eleanor White

Gore Bay, Canada

#3791 Mar 27, 2012
targ wrote:
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Because the perps have complete access to your entire private life, there is nothing you can hide from them. No matter what you try to do, they will always be "one step ahead" of you and anyone else working with you on your behalf. The perps will also cover their tracks so that everything they do will not look like anything other than a coincidence or "life's normal breaks." This is all by design and it is part of the cover that they use. Even immediate family members and people very close to you will be fooled and have the wool pulled over their eyes by these sneaky and clever perps. I don't really think that perps in general are really all that intelligent, but they ARE organized and they know how to follow orders. They do what they're told and as long as they do that, the bottom line is that there isn't much a TI can do to counteract them.
You are so right.

However, there is one thing targets CAN do, and which worked successfully,(and which no target since 2006 has even thought about doing,) and that is:

http://www.randomcollection.info/osgroups.pdf

You should have heard the powerful applause, and the thanks for providing organized stalking information to those who receive calls from targets.

Eleanor White

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#3792 Mar 27, 2012
That's a nice touch, charlatan. The part about applause. So much of your fantastic presentation depends on convincing your believers to connect what seems to be true with what is not true.


RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#3793 Mar 27, 2012
Hektor Seven wrote:
That's a nice touch, charlatan. The part about applause. So much of your fantastic presentation depends on convincing your believers to connect what seems to be true with what is not true.
Why do you have such a hard on for Eleanor Hektor?
You always say this isnt about you and you're not here to do anything but try and get to the bottom of this thing called Gang Stalking/Organized Stalking.
Yet you attack her constantly. Just as you accuse me of doing to you.
(which I'll gladly admit...dick head)

Who's the charalatan here?

Dont look now Suktor,but your agenda is showing.
RunGSersRun

Katy, TX

#3794 Mar 27, 2012
Hello?? Is this thing on????

Whats the matter Suktor? Hard to deny the truth huh.
I'm sure you'll come up with some ridicules excuse for your behavior....but I guess it's going to take awhile.

Do I hear crickets???

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