Green job scam, a warning for HERS/RE...
Dan

AOL

#265 Dec 18, 2009
Just an update for BD. I sent a copy of the court reporters transcript to Baden, and also the Wi. Energy Conservation Corp. This portion of the transcript clearly shows that Reeder has talked to the builder and that the builder has seen his supposedly confidential reports. The builders attorney get upset and states "...we already released Reeder...." What does this indicate to you? The WECC see's no problem with this.???? Why do they think Reeder was at our arbitration? If I hadn't seen him hiding, and then he ran away, what impact would any testimony by him have had on our case? Reeder would have lied, because the truth would not have benefited the builder so therefore they wouldn't have wanted him there. Reeder could have cost us thousands of dollars. I am also convinced that based on the arbitrators decision, he has also seen this report.

In a message dated 12/16/2009 10:12:18 A.M. Central Standard Time,---------aol.com writes:
In a message dated 10/23/2009 5:21:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Dan,

I included in my attachments to you all of the documentation provided by the Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corporation.

Steve
Well, I sent you my appeal which proves that the WECC lied and with held info. I also sent proof that Reeder has given my reports to the builder and has discussed my case with them.

Are you going to do anything?

In a message dated 12/17/2009 12:41:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,---------aol.com writes:
Ms. Van de Grift,

I faxed the information you requested below on 12/16/2009. I want to know what is going to happen now since the pages I sent you prove that Reeder has talked to the builder about my "confidential" report. It also shows that he showed up at our arbitration to testify for the builder. Both of these items are major violations of your code of ethics. I suppose the code of ethics doesn't really mean a thing when the people that are required to enforce them, violate them worse then a member.

Dan ------
In a message dated 7/17/2009 2:19:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Please send us the information from the court reporter. We will review and take appropriate action if indicated. We can not prohibit Mr. Reeder from being present at the hearing, he is an independent business owner, and we have no jurisdiction over those decisions. We can however chose to take action if it appears that he provided your report to the builder without getting approval and/or without having been subpoenaed.

Please fax the information to my attention at the fax number noted below.

Best,
Sara
Dan

AOL

#266 Dec 18, 2009
In addition, I was told by Energy Star that if a builder does not qualify a home within one year, they are removed from the program. Cornerstone Custom Builders of Eagle River, Wi. has been a member since aproximately 6/2008. Last time I checked, they still have not built an Energy Star home and they are listed as a "new member". At one point there was a comment stating 1 "home pending" but that is now gone. I wonder if this was a home that Reeder inspected and that someone checked again and found that it did not comply. Reeder is listed the same way as Cornerstone, no homes qualified, new member.

Is this an attempt to mislead to public? How many other builders have been members for over a year and a half with no homes built and listed as "new member"? Just my opinion.
Mr Green

Springfield, VA

#267 Dec 18, 2009
Rater1 wrote:
Accurate Rater Network sucks they do not provide the appropriate information in order to pass the test. I do not know when they looked at the last exam but very little of the information they provide is actually in the test. I have been a teacher for a number of years and if only 33% of my students were passing having the information i provided in class i should retire.
The less people that pass the test, the less people will discover that nobody will certify them. Does Accurate Rater Network actually certify anybody?
Mr Green

Springfield, VA

#268 Dec 28, 2009
To Dan: Please continue to keep us updated on how RESNET is coping with your complaint. Your case showcases how RESNET has turned its hailed "code of ethics" into a punchline.

To B D Howard: You wrote about the Federal Reserve issue ( http://www.federalreserve.gov/SECRS/2008/Febr... )

that you "will follow it down and see what those facts are." We DO expect that you will let us know how RESNET has dealt with this complaint!!
Dan

AOL

#269 Dec 29, 2009
B D Howard wrote:
I appreciate your issues. I am not acquainted with Mr. Reeder, so can't comment on his role in your concerns. Let me reach out to the Exec. Director of RESNET Steve Baden who is a reasonable man, and see what can be done now. Obviously you might have problems with revealing court documents in an ongoing case, to me. So my recommendation is that you also re-contact Mr. Baden about the violations you believe occurred. <[email protected]> I am very surprised that WECC appears to be at issue with you, because I served on a non-profit Board with one of their exec' a while back, looked over their program info extensively, and was pretty impressed. It also looks like you need to cultivate the builder as a resource for uncovering the root difficulty. Hope they are still your ally in this. Anyway, let's try to focus on a solution that results in your success as a HERS rater, and resolving the problems you allege occurred with RESNET. There are always wrinkles in the roll-out of any new industry, and many of them can be linked to communication breakdowns. Again feel free to call my office to discuss this.~ B. D. Howard
Apparently BD is just like the rest of the con artists at RESNET. BD, how come Timmy Reeder is still a member of RESNET? How come Steve Baden is now just ignoring the facts instead of just lying? How come you make all these claims and then just disappear?
Mr Green

Springfield, VA

#271 Jan 6, 2010
To B D Howard from http://www.energybuilder.com

Your silence speaks volumes! But we empathize with you; it is no easy task to come up with a spin in defense of a corrupt organization like RESNET.
olefrog

Tampa, FL

#273 Jan 18, 2010
I am/was within 24 hours of signing up for the RESNET/HERS course through the U of Central Florida. In the past I have passed the FL Certified General Contractors test, the FL Certified Building Officials test. The Certified Floodplain Managers test. The Coast Guard Masters test and a dozen or more FEMA tests. In each case I was licensed and/or certified immediately and without equivication and without having to kiss someone's ass. You Bloggers have done me a great favor. The RESNET scammers have lost me. Thanks
Bill

AOL

#274 Jan 19, 2010
Good news for all you Energy Star Rater wannabe's. Apparently you don't have to be a member to promote your business by claiming you are. You can also use the Energy Star logo on your website. Just my opinion. As of today, Timmy Reeder still claims to belong to Energy Star even though his name does not appear anywhere on there web site, buildinggeek.com . Also, can someone explain what this is about? "This company is an active Home Performance partner and an inactive Homes partner."

In a message dated 1/6/2010 4:03:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,*********cadmusgroup.com writes:
Good Afternoon,



This company is an active Home Performance partner and an inactive Homes partner. For this reason, this company is allowed to use the Home Performance mark on its Web page but it must remove the ENERGY STAR Homes logo. We e-mailed this company a first notice about its misuse of the ENERGY STAR mark on January 4. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.



Best,

Monica
Mr Green

Springfield, VA

#275 Jan 21, 2010
B D Howard wrote:
Despite being on business travel the last several days, I have tried to keep up with the transactions of this thread. In every case, my efforts continue towards understanding, and to make sure I "have read everything". I am not sure what essentially calling me a liar and toadied, can accomplish. As I said the truth will trump invective, and it does not matter to me about the name calling. I've heard it all before.
Dan - your continued contributions of facts is appreciated.
Mr. Green - at this point there is little more I can say to you that would be helpful. But here are some specifics...
The BBB has 1 (one) complaint of a non-specific nature that I was able to find on line, via BBB Oceanside, CA. Are there others? Did not seem to show RESNET was a member of the BBB anyway, and so that artifact may reduce the rigor of BBB reporting.
Usually BBB members are storefronts, hamburger joints, lumberyards, and other salt of the earth enterprises that need local reporting of their customer relations. Maybe RESNET should join the Oceanside BBB just to see what is being said about them there?
The Federal Reserve issue is interesting and I did not see this mentioned before. But it may have been, since there is a contention that 'obviously (you) did not read everything.' I will follow it down and see what those facts are.
Ms Marie Gachelin -- I may not yet agree with your contentions, but I certainly respect you for being open and honest in this venue.
Everyone else -- I do appreciate your comments and concerns.
Common ground -- I will as a member, correspond with RESNET Board and Executive Director about the information on this thread "Forum" and request they take a hard look at association practices in light of the issues that have been revealed.
Realization -- anger clouds the mind and dilutes man's ability to reason. I know, for I have too been angry but I learned to control it and re-direct the energy in positive ways.
To all - Happy Holidays !
###
B. D. Howard from www.energybuilder.com wrote: "I will as a member, correspond with RESNET Board and Executive Director about the information on this thread "Forum" and request they take a hard look at association practices in light of the issues that have been revealed."

B D Howard also promised to explain how RESNET had dealt with the complaint in this link: http://www.federalreserve.gov/SECRS/2008/Febr...

B D Howard has not been heard from on this forum since he made that promise.

It appears that B D Howard has been told by RESNET's board to shut up. B D Howard is obviously a disciplined RESNET soldier without the courage to honor the promise he made.

We have seen a few samples in this forum of this character trait among RESNET representatives. B D Howard just confirmed what should be evident by now: RESNET and ethics never coincide. RESNET is obviously made up of facilitators.

So what does this mean to the credibility of an “Energy Rating” done by one of these RESNET raters and to Energy Star?
Stan

AOL

#276 Jan 21, 2010
You refered to Howard as a soldier. I prefer the term puppet. RESNET pulls the strings and these guys dance and put on their act to decieve the public. The ones that have cut the strings or refuse to play ball are left with nothing.
Mr Green

Springfield, VA

#277 Jan 25, 2010
BD Howard from www.energybuilder.com is obviously a lapdog to his Masters in the board of RESNET. For a while, he pretended to be a Man.

But, he quickly subdued to his Masters when they told him to shut up. I hope they are not too harsh to him so he can again wag the only thing he has to wag-his tail...
Mr Pauley

Berlin, CT

#278 Jan 26, 2010
To add RESNET concerns from the Rocky Mountains....I have an interesting twist on the previous entries concerning RESNET. I ignored the rap about RESNET and took the class and test/s in early December-09.
Everyone was correct on $1200 ba for the training cost, but you forgot to add $230 in suggested preperatory books,$50 in supplies and a $50 price tag to take the test? After 4 days of Power Point blasting and one day of, uh, field work we took the test on the sixth day.
The first time I took the open book/open note/open computer internet based test, I scored a 78. One question away from passing. As a matter of fact, only two out of seven people passed the test that day. I actually scored better than some people who had five and ten times the experience I had within the HVAC and Building industries.
Hmmm. It gets better.
After studying for a week and participating in a study group, I re-tested using the same forum of open-book/open-note/open computer. I scored a 70. So, keep in mind, it costs an additional $50 every time the test is taken. Obviously I felt frustrated and confused as I had done all the prescribed preparation and studying not to mention time involved and the cost of getting to the rating providers test locations.
After returning home, I composed myself and evaluated the scores from both tests. I first noticed a discrepancy in the printed test results as the results report had different headings and the categories were in a different order. I also noticed that I had scored exactly the same in two key categories of the second test as I had on the first even though the second test had totally different questions, with one notable exception. I asked myself what are the chances of that happening?
Upon further evaluation, I noticed the category that had the exact same question as had been asked on the first test. It was the only question in that category on both tests. The reason why this question stuck out is that I had found it in the sample tests,during the test, and answered it exactly the same on both tests and was able to find the supporting answer in the Krigger book. Funny thing is I got it wrong on the first test and right on the second. Go figure that, I said. Keep in mind, if they would have scored my answer to that question correct on the first test I would have passed and moved on to being a "Rater".
Now, I have taken many tests in my 50 years having a BBA in Information Systems and minor in Management and Labor Relations as well having developed many training curriculums for Fortune 500 companies over the last 30 years and I have never heard of an "open everything" test like RESNET's Rater test where someone has scored lower on the second test after having prepared as I did. Not to mention the other "strange" discrepancies I noticed and there are many more that I noticed that aren't mentioned here but will be glad to expand if anyone wants to contact me on [email protected]
Certainly I felt prepared but after noticing the discrepancies in the results reports and uncovering the question that could have allowed me to pass the first time, as well as others, I quickly remembered the conversations on this forum.
Keep in mind, the rating provider conducting the training knew I was trying to get this certification in order to employ myself as a independent small business doing energy ratings and renewable energy deployments.
So I ask you folks, what is your opinion of what has transpired during my quest to become a RESNET Rater?
Dan

AOL

#279 Jan 27, 2010
The only thing I can think of is that you failed to bribe anyone. It's the only conclusion I can come to when you think about how they let a guy lke Reeder get away with all his crap, and qualified people can't even get a decent chance to pass the tests.

It would be interesting t see Mr. P try to buy his way into RESNET. I bet he'd be a member in no time. Of course all of this is just my opinion since there are no solid facts to back up my comments, just logical conclusions.
Consumer

Springfield, VA

#280 Jan 28, 2010
Mr Pauley wrote:
To add RESNET concerns from the Rocky Mountains....I have an interesting twist on the previous entries concerning RESNET. I ignored the rap about RESNET and took the class and test/s in early December-09.
Everyone was correct on $1200 ba for the training cost, but you forgot to add $230 in suggested preperatory books,$50 in supplies and a $50 price tag to take the test? After 4 days of Power Point blasting and one day of, uh, field work we took the test on the sixth day.
The first time I took the open book/open note/open computer internet based test, I scored a 78. One question away from passing. As a matter of fact, only two out of seven people passed the test that day. I actually scored better than some people who had five and ten times the experience I had within the HVAC and Building industries.
Hmmm. It gets better.
After studying for a week and participating in a study group, I re-tested using the same forum of open-book/open-note/open computer. I scored a 70. So, keep in mind, it costs an additional $50 every time the test is taken. Obviously I felt frustrated and confused as I had done all the prescribed preparation and studying not to mention time involved and the cost of getting to the rating providers test locations.
After returning home, I composed myself and evaluated the scores from both tests. I first noticed a discrepancy in the printed test results as the results report had different headings and the categories were in a different order. I also noticed that I had scored exactly the same in two key categories of the second test as I had on the first even though the second test had totally different questions, with one notable exception. I asked myself what are the chances of that happening?
Upon further evaluation, I noticed the category that had the exact same question as had been asked on the first test. It was the only question in that category on both tests. The reason why this question stuck out is that I had found it in the sample tests,during the test, and answered it exactly the same on both tests and was able to find the supporting answer in the Krigger book. Funny thing is I got it wrong on the first test and right on the second. Go figure that, I said. Keep in mind, if they would have scored my answer to that question correct on the first test I would have passed and moved on to being a "Rater".
Now, I have taken many tests in my 50 years having a BBA in Information Systems and minor in Management and Labor Relations as well having developed many training curriculums for Fortune 500 companies over the last 30 years and I have never heard of an "open everything" test like RESNET's Rater test where someone has scored lower on the second test after having prepared as I did. Not to mention the other "strange" discrepancies I noticed and there are many more that I noticed that aren't mentioned here but will be glad to expand if anyone wants to contact me on [email protected]
Certainly I felt prepared but after noticing the discrepancies in the results reports and uncovering the question that could have allowed me to pass the first time, as well as others, I quickly remembered the conversations on this forum.
Keep in mind, the rating provider conducting the training knew I was trying to get this certification in order to employ myself as a independent small business doing energy ratings and renewable energy deployments.
So I ask you folks, what is your opinion of what has transpired during my quest to become a RESNET Rater?
Mr. Pauley,

To borrow the words from a RESNET representative who wrote in this forum:
“you have just simply been snoockered”.

Your “provider” will do anything to stop you from being able to operate as an independent certified rater.
Consumer

Springfield, VA

#281 Jan 28, 2010
Mr. Pauley,

To borrow the words from a RESNET representative who wrote in this forum:
“you have just simply been snoockered”.

Your “provider” will do anything to stop you from being able to operate as an independent certified rater. With your background, education and your stated intention to independently offer energy ratings, your “provider” realized that he/she would never be able to fool you into working for him for minimum wage with the bait of someday, some years later, he/she maybe would certify you. This is why he/she has to "snoocker" you (cheat you) from getting certified.

Even if you decide to try again and again to pass the test and your “provider” finally refrain from tampering with your test results and allow you to pass (because otherwise it would be too apparent that he/she had manipulated your results in order for you to fail the test), you will experience that this will NOT be the end of made up hurdles.

You will come to realize that your provider has many ways and an unlimited number of excuses not to certify you, and anyway, one year after the class you can no longer be certified.

You have to understand that, after all, you ask your future competitor for permission to compete against him/her in the market. Do you seriously believe your “provider” will give you a fair chance of getting certified under these circumstances?

RESNET is a tightly closed guild that profits by pretending to certify people by selling expensive 5 days PowerPoint presentations to unsuspecting people like you.(In the class I took, we experienced no field training because the house we were to test, allegedly had too much mold and therefore should not be tested with the blower door - indeed very convenient for the provider).

I have a Master’s Degree in Engineering and I passed the test but got subsequently "snoockered" for the same reason you got "snoockered". The provider knew I was not going to work for him for minimum wage and that he therefore could no longer scam me, his only option was to "snoocker" me from being certified thereby keeping me from competing with him. And the monopoly goes on.

You should realize that you don't have a fair chance of getting certified and the question you should ask yourself is: are you ready to compromise your ethics and values in order to join a morally corrupt and rotten organization like RESNET that among other “snoockering” activities also suppresses competition. Do you really want to be a part of this scam?

If you are genuinely interested in Energy Efficiency and if you are against corruption, crony capitalism and green job scams, then you should help us expose the shady businesses that RESNET conducts under the name of energy efficiency.
Dan

AOL

#282 Jan 29, 2010
...or you could just use the Energy Star logo and claim that you're a partner like my buddy (sarcasam) does.
DJ in TN

Nashville, TN

#283 Feb 9, 2010
I'm not sure I understand what some of you folks are saying.After taking the NAHB Green Verifier training and test I took the HERS rater class and yes, it seems the "provider giving the class crammed a lot of information down our throats in a short period of time. But the test was open book and we were allowed to use notes for reference while taking the test. As far as the test itself was concerned it was given online and the result was given as soon as the test was finished.I passed on the first try with no problem. As a matter of fact everyone in the class passed (a couple of people had to take a second test) I have since completed my provisionals and submitted them for verification.
I assume that once I send in my insurance info I will be good to go.
I understand that I am not obligated to use the provider I took my training from,but plan to do so and have signed an agreement to that effect. I did not see anything in the paperwork regarding working for minimum wage. I do have to pay the provider a fee to certify my findings and I'm okay with that.
As far as what I make, thats really up to me. I set my pricing and get my own contracts. Am I just lucky or gullible? I guess I'll find out soon since I just ordered my equipment and cut a check for insurance, and have an appoinment with the three largest builders in my area next week.
Rater Man

Waterbury, CT

#284 Feb 14, 2010
Not that anything is perfect, but common. Resnet has exactly 1 BBB complaint in the last 3 years.

Please stop whining. Resnet has a pretty effective ethics committee.
Mr Green wrote:
RESNET has gotten a score of -D from the Better Business Bureau. To BBB, RESNET initially denied any complaints against its "provider". After the complainant presented the evidence of its complaint, RESNET simply stopped to communicate with BBB.
So what can anybody make out of this? The conclusion can only be one: RESNET protects its own insiders, no matter what they do.
Dan

AOL

#285 Feb 15, 2010
Thats a good point R. Man, one that I pointed out also. It seems that these people just want to whine and complain on Topix and do nothing. They've been given a chance to be heard by posting their complaints. I seem to be the only one that has actually done more then just post on here
Mr Green

Springfield, VA

#286 Feb 17, 2010
DJ in TN wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what some of you folks are saying.After taking the NAHB Green Verifier training and test I took the HERS rater class and yes, it seems the "provider giving the class crammed a lot of information down our throats in a short period of time. But the test was open book and we were allowed to use notes for reference while taking the test. As far as the test itself was concerned it was given online and the result was given as soon as the test was finished.I passed on the first try with no problem. As a matter of fact everyone in the class passed (a couple of people had to take a second test) I have since completed my provisionals and submitted them for verification.
I assume that once I send in my insurance info I will be good to go.
I understand that I am not obligated to use the provider I took my training from,but plan to do so and have signed an agreement to that effect. I did not see anything in the paperwork regarding working for minimum wage. I do have to pay the provider a fee to certify my findings and I'm okay with that.
As far as what I make, thats really up to me. I set my pricing and get my own contracts. Am I just lucky or gullible? I guess I'll find out soon since I just ordered my equipment and cut a check for insurance, and have an appoinment with the three largest builders in my area next week.
Is “DJ in TN” in reality a RESNET “provider” in disguise?

DJ writes:“everyone in the class passed”. Either is this a rare exception or simply not true.

Other people have written in this thread:
“2 out of seven people passed the test”

“very little of the information they provide is actually in the test. I have been a teacher for a number of years and if only 33% of my students were passing having the information I provided in class I should retire.”

Even QADD from RESNET wrote:“not every person who takes a HERS class passes”

DJ writes:“I..have an appointment with the three largest builders in my area next week.” Are we supposed to believe that those builders are standing in line for DJ to come and rate all the homes they are building? Does this sound as the current state of the market for new house construction in USA???

The Census writes in their latest report that:
“seasonally adjusted estimate of new houses for sale at the end of December was 231,000. This represents a supply of 8.1 months at the current sales rate.” See: http://www.census.gov/const/newressales.pdf

The builders and banks are now sitting on a glut of 8 Months of supply of finished homes!! Additionally, the rate of sale is predicted to slow down as soon as the tax incentives expires. The simple fact is, there is virtually no new home construction going on.

DJ, unless you are a RESNET “provider” in disguise, you will have a hard time paying off your equipments. The only way for you to make money in this business is to advance and become a training “provider” so you can sell those classes like all the rest of them do in RESNET.

Have you ever asked yourself why is it that every “provider” is busy selling these classes? It is the only way to make money for the RESNET crowd!

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