Green job scam, a warning for HERS/RESNET Energy Rater training classes.

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Since: Jun 09

Baltimore, MD

#1 Jun 17, 2009
So you want to be a Certified HERS/RESNET Energy Rater? Do you know how many of the candidates that every month pays $1200 for one of those HERS/RESNET Rater Training Classes that actually gets a rater certification?

Only a RESNET rater provider can certify you and he doesn't want you to be able to compete with him. He will simply not certify you!!

I did all the right things, took a HERS/RESNET Rater Training Class for $1200, passed the written test and paid $400 for a rater provider contract with the same RESNET provider that gave the class in order to complete the certification. He didn’t even give me the needed software to do any probationary ratings.

The only way for me to be certified is to do it through BPI. RESNET sucks. RESNET steels your money. Do not become a RESNET Rater Sucker!
Tom

Newark, DE

#2 Jun 17, 2009
I was thinking of doing this as well, just a question but which training provider was it? Is there anyone out there that had positive experience at the trainers?

Since: Jun 09

Baltimore, MD

#3 Jun 20, 2009
Tom, I filed a complaint directly to RESNET(HERS). RESNET told me to try another Rater Provider. That is the help you can hope for from RESNET. Their board is filled with those rater provider. RESNET's Rater Providers have only one obligation and that is to keep you out of this bussiness!!! I could follow RESNET's adwise and continue to pay $400 to every rater provider around but after 12 months after the rater training class you can no longer be certified according to RESNET's standard. It's a pretty good scheme.
Steve

Englewood, CO

#4 Jun 22, 2009
Hi Tom,
I'm not sure what this gentleman's experience was as he's giving virtually no details. We are a training organization. We have a pass rate in the mid 70% range. Of those, many choose not to continue the process, but I would say that roughly half of them go on to become raters. There are instances where you could make a case for a provider not wanting to have competition, but I haven't seen it. In fact, there are several trainers that only train and provide, what motivation would they have for excluding new clients? None. I'm sorry this guy had a bad experience, it's ridiculous to paint everyone in the industry as collusionary. In fact, most of the people in this line of work are doing it for something in addition to money. Most of us have a sense of mission for saving energy.
Tom wrote:
I was thinking of doing this as well, just a question but which training provider was it? Is there anyone out there that had positive experience at the trainers?

Since: Jun 09

Baltimore, MD

#5 Jun 23, 2009
Steve, I CHALLENGE YOU:

CHALLENGE #1. Please give us statistics for USA of the ratio between rater candidates that paid for one of these RESNET(HERS) Energy Rater Training Classes and passed the written test and those that actually got certified!!!!!

If you don't have this statistic, then you as a RESNET provider should be able to get it from RESNET. If you can't get this statistic, it's because RESNET doesn't want the public to know. It is as simple as that!!!!

CHALLENGE #2. Please give us a verifiable list of the Rater Candidates that have paid for your RESNET Rater Training Classes and a list of those who actually got RESNET certified, meaning able to do ratings independently.

As for your claim that some have gone "on to become raters", that is not equal to having the certification to do ratings on their own!!! Many of those that have gone "on to become raters" are in reality under internship by rater providers in the HOPE of becoming certified.

As for your statement of "he's giving virtually no details": If you want the details, check with RESNET and you should be able to get all details you need!!!

Who are you then? What "training organization" do you represent?

You might be a good guy, but that did not help me and it has not helped others. As long as RESNET allows their accredited rater and training providers to behave the way they do and and as long as RESNET advises rater candidates that have been scamed to try their luck with another rater provider and as long as RESNET's board is filled by rater provider, candidates will continue to be SCAMMED!!!!!

Since: Jun 09

Baltimore, MD

#6 Jun 24, 2009
Tom, Do not beleive what Steve wrote.

"trainers that only train and provide" do not exist!! All providers are in the bussiness of rating themselves.

The providers have lost a lot of bussiness due to the decline in new housing construction. That is why they have to resort to selling those classes. But do not beleive that they want you to be able to compete with them once the housing market picks up again.

Since: Jun 09

Baltimore, MD

#7 Jun 25, 2009
Steve, I’m confident that you’re a member of the Board of Directors of RESNET.

Do you think that the DOE, EPA or any elected official will publicly defend the legitimacy of the arrangement within RESNET when all the truth comes out?

- Is it not true that every Board member and Ethics committee member own or operate an Energy Rater Provider business and/or Energy Rater business?

- Do you think it is ok that RESNET should regulate the businesses that its board members own and operate?

- Where within RESNET is the “third-party verification of the energy performance of homes that earn the ENERGY STAR label” that US Environmental Protection Agency requires?

RESNET may not be responsive to voters, but there are elected officials with whom this arrangement will not sit well.

The public has a right to demand accountability and get results. For government officials to hand over an entire section of the economy to RESNET stands against everything that this country is about. It does not promote trust and it’s misappropriations of taxpayer money. It’s a shame that just as we are struggling against mass fraud that caused our financial system to collapse, we are creating another one.

Just as “scammed be RESNET” asks, I would not mind a list of names of all the Energy Raters that your business and the businesses own by other businessmen at RESNET have certified. I intend to raise awareness so the American taxpayer can look into RESNET’s energy efficiency and energy rating business arrangement. If you really want to promote energy efficiency, I ask you to join me in putting an end to this monopoly.
Rick

Newark, DE

#8 Jul 5, 2009
I am taking a class now. The instuctor told the class that only 33% pass the test the first time.

Of the 67% that fail the first I would guess less that half ever take the test again and pass.

To take the test again you have to put down another $150 (at least where I live).$50 for RESNET,$50 for NEHERS and $50 to a proctor.

So even before you do your supervised audits with a provider your probably below 50% of the people you started with.

Wish me luck
Sharla Riead - ARN

Kansas City, MO

#9 Aug 5, 2009
Accurate Rater Network is a Training and QA Provider for RESNET, BPI, USGBC, etc. We are not members of the RESNET Board of Directors or, at this time, on any sub-committee. We do have a branch of our company that provides ratings, this is how we got into the business and how we keep our skills sharp. However, like Steve, we determined that in order to make a real difference on our environment and in our world, we would need to train, support, AND CERTIFY others to replicate our work across the country.
You do need to be careful about choosing a Provider. You need to do your homework, ask a lot of questions, and ask for references. Not all Providers accept Independent Raters, so that is something you need to know up front and you need to understand their business model so that you can determine if it fits in with what you want.
The training, testing and certification process is rigourous, time consuming and difficult. But it does produce those certified third-party verifiers that Marie was asking about and that DOE, EPA and the Mortgage Industry rely on.
Marie, I am sorry you had the experience you did - Tom and Rick, best of luck to you. I recently sent a list of recommended Providership Interview questions to a Rater Candidate. I will add this to the FAQ list on our website - hopefully that will help you find a Provider who meets your needs. You can find us at: www.accuraterater.com
ms Scambuster

Washington, DC

#10 Aug 6, 2009
"in order to make a real difference on our environment and in our world, we would need to train, support, AND CERTIFY others to replicate our work across the country"
That sounds good, but we don't need to cheat people to achieve those goals.
Mike

Salem, MA

#11 Aug 6, 2009
I plan on taking this course in the fall in the northeast. How else can one work towards become a home energy rater besides taking the course? The course is only about 1/5th of the process of getting certified. It takes work after the course is completed.
Mr Green

Washington, DC

#12 Aug 7, 2009
Sharla,
A certification system that does not set any clearly defined requirements is fundamentally wrong. A rater candidate is totally dependent on a competitor to be certified.
As RESNET states it:“You MAY be certified”. This means that there are no clearly defined requirements for a rater candidate to fulfill which would give he/she the right of getting certified.
The rater candidate has absolutely no rights and is absolutely dependent on the “rater providers” whims. The “rater provider” can and does exploit the rater candidate with the bait that one day the “rater provider” MAY certify him/her. In the meantime the candidate has to work for the “provider” for the minimum wage.
And, even if the candidate against all odds, would get certified, he/she will discover that no “provider” is willing to accept him/her to work independently as a rater.
RESNET is a tightly closed medieval guild system that a civilized society should not allow.
Do you honestly believe that a “rater provider” will disclose anything of relevance by answering a list of “Providership Interview questions” asked by a rater candidate? In my case it is stipulated in the rater contract that the “rater provider” accepted me as an independent rater and that he had to provide the software REMRATE which he never did. So your suggested “Providership Interview questions” would not have made any difference.
You seem to insinuate that the low number of candidates that get certified is due to a rigorous certification process. This is not the case. It is due to the fact that a “rater provider” has no incentive to certify anybody. On the contrary, the “provider” has the incentive to keep the candidate as an exploited candidate.
If you really wanted a “real difference on our environment and in our world” as you state it, you would fight against RESNET’s competition stifling business practice that does not help us save energy but empowers and enriches a private click of individuals.
You know that there is no third party verification of RESNET’s ratings. Their ratings are often not worth the paper they are written on.
RESNET has literally gotten the right from the Environmental Protection Agency to print money-better known as energy ratings. This is a scandal.
Instead of getting energy savings we get more fraud. RESNET is another Countrywide, Enron, AIG, Bernard Madoff. Will we never learn?
Mike

Salem, MA

#13 Aug 7, 2009
I want to know learn how to rate a homes energy and am not concerned with certification if I know what I'm doing. The class is a substitute for 2 years experience. It takes time to be certified. You need to do 5 ratings supervised by a certified rater. I read this on a site about a month ago.. from googling. i dont remember exactly where i read it (use it against me if you want). My best friends'father has a solar installation business and would like to work with me after the class. Too bad it's based in GA, I'm in MA. I may go down there after passing the test to get some more experience. If it takes more than once to pass, i dont mind. The teachers certification exam is more expensive, and the real estate exam (my gf has both and did not pass the real estate the first time). If she was here i'll ask how much it was since i see a lot of argumentative writing here.
Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes this fall for me. I'll probably work for peanuts after the test. I don't expect much after the class..it's only the beginning, 1/5th done if i pass.
Mr Green

Washington, DC

#14 Aug 7, 2009
Mike, if you are not concerned about any certification, (which you can forget about anyway)there are better and cheaper ways to gain knowledge about energy efficiency. There are a plenty of good books out there and also community colleges that offer classes. To pay $1200 to $1400 for one week of dubious training is not the way to go if you are serious about this. Our class got study material that contained numerous fundamental errors that can be very confusing for someone that has no previous knowledge. For instance, according to this material Btu is equal to power: that is not correct. If somebody doubts that this information was in print, I can scan and publish it. The thing is, that these errors do not matter for RESNET and their providers. For them, it is not about energy efficiency. It is all about profiting from a monopoly by selling phony rater training classes and selling phony “energy ratings” against kickbacks from developers and mortgage companies. It has nothing to do with what you seems to be interested in – energy efficiency.
Mr Green

Washington, DC

#16 Aug 10, 2009
So Sharla, please let us know how many rater candidates that your organization "Accurate Rater Network" has certified and how many rater training classes you have sold. I guess you, like Steve, do not want us to know that.

You "help" the rater trainees with a list of questions to ask and bounce them to other "providers" to be certified. But isn't that exactly what all of you so called "providers" that sell training classes do - bounce them to somebody else. The truth is that no provider will certify them.
Friskie

Ambler, PA

#17 Aug 10, 2009
Marie,

I'm sorry to say that I think Energy Star must be aware of how RESNET operates due to the personal relationships of the leaders. In Pennsylvania you need to be both RESNET and BPI certified to be on the authorized list of home energy providers. Otherwise, it is very difficult to get a business going and those who do attain these cerifications will use them against any competitors. Yes, this is a government sanctioned pay-to-play scheme and the fees amount to grift. so the question that you need to ask is this: Do I want to play? Good luck.
Mr Green

Washington, DC

#19 Aug 12, 2009
Everybody who follows this forum can see how quiet RESNET and its "providers" get when asked about how many raters they have certified.

Obviously they have not very much to brag about on this issue.

So be aware and save your hard earned money from this scam.
Rhoade

Saint Cloud, FL

#20 Aug 13, 2009
Mr Green wrote:
Everybody who follows this forum can see how quiet RESNET and its "providers" get when asked about how many raters they have certified.
Obviously they have not very much to brag about on this issue.
So be aware and save your hard earned money from this scam.
Mr. Green, I have Class 3 status now through the University of Central FLorida's energy rater training program. What do you have to say about college programs that certify through RESNET?
Also, since yo're in D.C. I must ask what your involvement is within the energy conservation/green technologies realm? Are you a lobbyist for a consumer protection group--or a petroleum corporation--or a consortium of home builders?
Mr Green

Washington, DC

#21 Aug 15, 2009
Rhoade, the class for which you have paid, does not give you any right to do ratings. Please, tell us how you expect to get certified.

I have been scammed by the system RESNET has set up to guard the bussiness interests of its officers and board memebers. It is a scam to sell "rater training classes" without offering a fair and realistic possibily to get certified. I have decided to raise awareness of their scam in the name of "energy efficiency". You are free to call me a lobyist for consumer protection if you want. Unfortunately, nobody pays me for it.
Marie Gachelin

Washington, DC

#22 Aug 18, 2009
“Energy auditors can't make a living at it. Not enough work.”

Nick Gromicko, InterNACHI, Founder
August 16, 2009

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f58/epa-resnet-int...

Nick Gromicko, Founder of InterNACHI (the “Home Inspectors”), responding to the reaction of InterNACHI to withdraw its application for oversight of home energy ratings, which, if EPA had accepted, would have broken RESNET’s monopoly over the ENERGY STAR, writes on his website that:

“Energy auditors can't make a living at it. Not enough work.”

In 2008, Inter Nachi applied to challenge RESNET to become another National ENERGY STAR Verification Oversight Organization. However, On August 12th 2009, in a press release, EPA announced that Inter Nachi withdrew its application request. I guess, if I may borrow the words of Mr. Gromicko,“resistance is futile”; I disagree in this case, but he seems to think so. Now, Inter NACHI has joined in. The organization plans to capitalize on selling energy rating classes and to serve as Provider of training classes. That’s where the money is.

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