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FYROM's Latest Propaganda Spree Invents 750 000 'Macedonians' in Bulgaria

There are 60 comments on the Sofia News Agency story from Aug 16, 2011, titled FYROM's Latest Propaganda Spree Invents 750 000 'Macedonians' in Bulgaria. In it, Sofia News Agency reports that:

Pictured: the monument of medieval Bulgarian Tsar Samuil opened in July 2011 in Skopje; Tsar Samuil has had his nationality changed by the Macedonian authorities who have now invested 750 000 ethnic Macedonians living in Bulgaria.

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FYROMongolas

Ljungby, Sweden

#2 Aug 16, 2011
"Bulgaria was the first sovereign nation to recognize the independence of the Republic of Macedonia in 1991."

Yes. God! And this is how the FYROMongols showing their appreciation.(read the article).
Australos

Melbourne, Australia

#3 Aug 16, 2011
FYROMongolas wrote:
"Bulgaria was the first sovereign nation to recognize the independence of the Republic of Macedonia in 1991."
Yes. God! And this is how the FYROMongols showing their appreciation.(read the article).
I personally quite enjoy this part in the article:

"Last Bulgaria's former Diaspora Minister Bozhidar Dimitrov, a notable historian known for his publications on the history of Macedonia and current director of Bulgaria's National History Museum, announced that over 7 000 Macedonians were granted Bulgarian citizenship, and that the figure has seen a staggering increase in the past couple of years, as many Macedonians are, in his words, returning to their "Bulgarian roots."
Australos

Melbourne, Australia

#4 Aug 16, 2011
I guess we here in Australia best watch out, after all we did have a population census last week; may be an outcome that all Australians are actually fYRoMian
Friends

Toronto, Canada

#5 Aug 16, 2011
Like we say in UK, blood is thicker than water.

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#6 Aug 16, 2011
Soros says Greece and Portugal should leave euro, EU

George Soros, the US speculator turned billionaire philanthropist, has suggested both Greece and Portugal quit the European Union and the euro-zone because of their massive debts.

"One has so mishandled the Greek problem that the best way forward at present might be an orderly exit» with Greece leaving both the EU and the euro common currency, he said in an interview published Sunday by the German magazine Spiegel.

He suggested the same might go for Portugal.
"The EU and the euro would survive it,» he added.
Debt-stricken Greece and Portugal are struggling to implement eurozone and International Monetary Fund-mandated reforms, by slashing spending and raising taxes in exchange for financial aid.
Soros also suggested the time had come for eurozone members to accept the introduction of eurobonds.

"Whether you like it or not, the euro exists. And for it to function properly, countries sharing the currency must be able to refinance a large part of their debt under the same conditions.2
Berlin is opposed to the introduction of such bonds, but Soros suggested Germany, as Europe's strongest financial partner, should be responsible for defining the rules for its introduction.

Soros, who made over $1 billion by betting against the British pound in 1992, also said he had no intention of playing the market against the common european currency.

"I am certainly not betting against the euro. Because the Chinese have a huge interest in an alternative to the dollar and will do everything possible to help Europeans save it,» he said.
Both Greece and Portugal, along with Ireland, have been granted multi-billion EU-IMF rescue loans to prevent them from defaulting on their huge debts.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles...

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#7 Aug 16, 2011
p1.
To the Germans

By Nikos Konstandaras
This is not a time to flatter the Germans, nor to accuse them of past wrongs and present obsessions, nor to plead with them. We are neither friends nor enemies - we are partners. And though we are in the same boat, we hear more and more often that many Germans – from top policy makers to media moralists and opinion polls – would like to see Greece sink, like Plato’s Atlantis.

The European Union, the greatest achievement of collective humanity, is being jeopardized by the loss of nerve of a handful of politicians and economists, in Germany, in Greece, throughout our wary continent. And this at a time when simply sticking to the course hewn over the past years, with the necessary adjustments demanded by the time, may lead to a society larger, wealthier and even more beneficial to its members.

Certainly, the Greeks have done all that they can to alienate their partners: first by losing their bearings on account of the unprecedented peace and prosperity that EU membership brought a nation that repeatedly had to fight long and bloody wars for independence and unity, whose harsh land was geared toward creating thinkers, warriors and sailors rather than good middle-class burghers; second, through the tireless efforts of Greek zealots, who are not a few, to portray Greece as a country that wants only to take, and bothers neither with shows of gratitude nor with personal or collective responsibility.

What is happening in Greece today is the very difficult process of a society having to sort out the good and the bad and trying to build on the good, when, for generations (if not eons) individuals have been conditioned by the dogma,“my side, right or wrong.”

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#8 Aug 16, 2011
P2.

To the Germans

Dividing lines now run between members of the same political parties, of families, even within individuals – between those who are furious by the loss of the utopia of borrowed wealth and those who want to push ahead with the reforms that will make Greece achieve its potential both as a country that respects its citizens and as a valuable member of the European Union. What is at stake is all that the responsible citizens of Greece have built, the savings they deposited when their country and compatriots borrowed, and the future of their children. Is this not what most Germans worry about as well? This is why we need the greatest solidarity between us – the battle being waged in Greece is at the heart of the debate in every country.

The great divide of our times is not between nations nor ideologies, but between different mentalities at a continental level. Beyond nationalists of the left and right, are there many serious people who can argue that any country is better off outside the EU than within it? It is increasingly evident that more unites serious Greeks and Germans than that which divides their more selfish and simplistic compatriots.

Unification, like independence, has always been achieved through blood and treasure; in today’s Europe, though, we can do this through negotiation. We Europeans are in the most privileged position to be able to form our closer union without any fundamental disagreements or bellicosity. We all agree on the paramount importance of our democratic principles and the benefits of our symbiotic and, in many ways, osmotic relationship. It is natural that not all our countries are at the same level with regard to wealth, democratic maturity and productivity.

Did we really expect that more than 500 million citizens of dozens of nations could come together without any lapses, without complaints, without frustration, downright anger and wrong turns? What we have achieved is more than we could have expected, success is within sight; how can we jeopardize it all? How can Greek union leaders still hold their country back – a country with unemployment touching on 17 percent? How can German policy makers make comments that can only lead the markets to keep questioning their will to save the euro and the union?

Today, individuals are empowered as never before but nations are more vulnerable to forces beyond their control and the world needs pillars of stability. The United States, the economic and military superpower has its own problems, which, in a way, mirror the European inequality between rich and poor,“productive” and “lazy.” The growing but untested powers of China and India face their own social and economic imbalances. Europe has fewer fundamental flaws but is showing a frightening loss of confidence in itself as a superpower in the face of challenges that were only to be expected.
These are not issues that can be determined by opinion polls and populism. They do not have the same weight as everyday political anxieties. Times demand collective efforts and personal responsibility, from all Europeans. Those who are in a position to lead must do so with determination, and the others must do what they can to help. So let’s pull together.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles...

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#9 Aug 16, 2011
Fix your problems first before commenting on other countries issues.

1. 
[PDF] THE SHADOW ECONOMY AND CORRUPTION IN GREECEFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
2. by S KATSIOS - Cited by 3 - Related articles
3. and the vertical nature of corruption in Greece are closely connected or ... ow economy and the amount of corruption in Greece is closely connected with the ...
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8. www.upi.com/Business.../04/.../Greek.../UPI-7... - Cached
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10. www.defensenews.com/story.php... ...- Cached
11. 
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Bribes, Corruption Suspected in Greek Submarine Order | Defense ...Procurement fraud and outright crimes have afflicted government spending and contracting since the dawn of history. There have been many recent cases of.
14. www.defenseprocurementnews.com/.../bribes-cor... - submarine-order/- Cached
15. 
Greek PM says corruption at heart of crisis | Reuters1 Mar 2010 ... ATHENS (Reuters)- Corruption and impunity from prosecution lie at the heart of Greek's debt crisis, Prime Minister George Papandreou said ...
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17. 
Small-time corruption Greece's big problem15 May 2010 ... After 38 years on the bench of the Supreme Court, in 2005 Rakintzis was given the job of routing out corruption in Greece's notoriously ...
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19. 
 ekathimerini.com | Greece tops EU corruption list27 Oct 2010 ... Greece, which now shares its ranking with China, Colombia, Peru, Serbia, Thailand and Lesotho, is seen as more corrupt than Rwanda,...
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Greek Islander

Perkasie, PA

#11 Aug 16, 2011
It seems anyone opposing the ultra-nationalist leader of FYROM finds himself in prison. This little Slavic despot is coming unwrapped and turning this former Yugoslav Republic into a police state.

"Police on Monday arrested Ljube Boskoski, an opposition leader and harsh critic of the current centre-right government of Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, on suspicion of illegal party financing.
The arrest comes just one day after Sunday’s general elections, which according to preliminary results brought no MP seats for Boskoski's right-wing opposition United for Macedonia party.

“I don’t know what happened. I demand an explanation from the police,” Boskoski’s wife Violeta told media close to the place where her husband was arrested.“This is a set up,” she shouted."
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/maced...

Gruevski Govt Shuts Down Opposition Media in Macedonia*, Journalists Cry Foul

Three newspapers that have been critical of the Macedonian** Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski will be shut down as of July 2, 2011, for tax violations, with journalists raising alarm this is a crack-down on press freedom.

"The Cabinet of Macedonian** Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski wants to destroy our three newspapers and television A1 because we are critical of his government," Macedonian** journalist Branko Gerovski has told BGNES regarding the shutting down of the Macedonian** newspapers Spi, Vreme, and Koha Ere.
http://novinite.info/view_news.php...

*FYROM
**FYROMian

WikiLeaks US cable:
SKOPJE GOVERNMENT SILENCES DISSENT
SKOPJE, 06.03.2011 -US Ambassador Philip T. Reeker in Macedonia* writes in a confidential cable dated December 2009 “it appears that Prime Minister Gruevski and his VMRO inner circle have used the
judicial and policing arms of the state to enforce party discipline and quell dissent, which has contributed to an
increasing climate of fear. The government has been using a catch-all corruption charge of "abuse of office" or "misuse of official position" against members of the political elite in Macedonia**.
http://balkanopen.com/articlev.php...
**FYROM
FYROMongolas

Solna, Sweden

#12 Aug 16, 2011
Australos wrote:
<quoted text>
I personally quite enjoy this part in the article:
"Last Bulgaria's former Diaspora Minister Bozhidar Dimitrov, a notable historian known for his publications on the history of Macedonia and current director of Bulgaria's National History Museum, announced that over 7 000 Macedonians were granted Bulgarian citizenship, and that the figure has seen a staggering increase in the past couple of years, as many Macedonians are, in his words, returning to their "Bulgarian roots."
The whole article was good.

This is my favorite.

"The foundations of the contemporary Macedonian nation were laid in 1944 by Yugoslavia's communists at a special congress that also proclaimed the creation of a Macedonian language and a Macedonian alphabet designed to differentiate the dialects spoken in the region of Macedonia from the Bulgarian language and to underline the creation of a distinct Macedonian national identity.

The so called question about the perceived Macedonian minority in Bulgaria exists since the late 1940s when the dictators of the Soviet Union and communist Yugoslavia – Joseph Stalin and Josip Broz Tito – attempted to arrange the post-World War II order on the Balkans through the creation of a Balkan federation between Bulgaria and Yugoslavia."

This is good too:

"The campaign to force the people of the Blagoevgrad District to become "Macedonians" was dropped by the Bulgarian Communist Party after the entire project for a Balkan federation between Bulgaria and Yugoslavia was killed with the falling out between Stalin and Tito in 1948-49 – a rift that had wide repercussions for Europe during the entire Cold War period. This left the population of Southwest Bulgaria – which was harassed by its own government on orders from Moscow – to shake off the imagined ethnic Macedonian identity imposed on it.

Ever since, however, the authorities in Skopje whose legitimacy relies primarily on the doctrine described by the Bulgarian historians as "macedonianism", i.e. the distinct national identity of the Slavic population of the region of Macedonia, have resurfaced claims of "hundreds of thousands of ethnic Macedonians" living in Bulgaria under some sort of "brutal oppression." Macedonian media cite as evidence for such claims statements by the so called ethnic Macedonian party "OMO Ilinden-Pirin", whose members according to publications in the Bulgarian media are paid from Skopje and Belgrade to declare themselves as "Macedonians."

Also this: "It is unclear how exactly Macedonia's Foreign Ministry decided that there are three-quarters of a million of ethnic Macedonians in Bulgaria, a figure that is 700 times higher than the 1 654 Macedonians found to live in Bulgaria, according to the Bulgarian census. But the latest publication of the Macedonian on the "question" of "ethnic Macedonians" abroad seems to be in line with the recent construction of monuments in Skopje of Alexander the Great and the medieval Bulgarian Tsar Samuil, both of which are deemed to be great Macedonians by the government of Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski and his party VMRO-DPMNE – a move that caused anger in Greece, ridicule in Bulgaria, and criticism by the European Commission."
FYROMongolas

Solna, Sweden

#13 Aug 16, 2011
FYROM = A nonsense country.

From the article:

"In a comment on the latest figures about the "ethnic Macedonians abroad", the Bulgarian National Radio points out that apparently, according to Skopje, there are more Macedonians living in Bulgaria and Greece than in Macedonia itself where the Slavic population is about 1.3 million, while the rest are ethnic Albanians, Roma, Turks, and others."
FYROMongolas

Solna, Sweden

#14 Aug 16, 2011
bulgaria laughs at fyromongols.

"Bulgaria's governments traditionally react to propaganda fits by Skopje with disregard, while the general public in Bulgaria accepts them with ridicule. To the extent that Bulgaria has made any claims towards Macedonia, those have boiled down to the refusal to allow Skopje to hijack Bulgaria's historical heritage from the Middle Ages and the 19th century Revival Period."

Stealing monkeys, that´s what they are.. Shameless, filthy FYROmonkeys.

Go have a banana..!

Monkey!
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Athens, Greece

#15 Aug 16, 2011
The FyroMonkeys are rediculous......
Spartan

Ottawa, Canada

#16 Aug 16, 2011
No response from the baboon side, of course !!!

Since: Mar 09

Athens, Greece

#18 Aug 16, 2011
THEANO wrote:
The reason why they don't answer is because THEY KNOW THEY ARE FAKE! IT'S ALL ABOUT THIS OBSESSION OF TAKING LAND THEY WANT AND CAN'T HAVE.THAT'S WHY THEY CONTINUE!
Not only that, they have to steal History, Identity and Heritage from their neighbors - BECAUSE THEY HAVE NONE THEMSELVES!

Pathetic IDIOTS!
John Bond

Sofia, Bulgaria

#19 Aug 17, 2011
They have to realise that they cannot be respected around the world by doing what they are doing. You can't steal history from Greece and Bulgaria and expect to achieve anything. Although I have to admit that quite a few ordinary Fyromians (the slavic ones, which are actually of Bulgarian origin, I'm not talking about the Albanian population) realise that what their Government's doing will lead to nothing at all. Although the larger part of the slavic (i.e. Bulgarian) population really believe they have some grand mesianic role to play in this world. Yeah! That's a fact! It all propaganda! Here in BUL we have this saying: "Oh Moon, Oh Moon - you Macedonian Land". Hope you get what I mean!

“Makedon therefore E/\/\hn”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#20 Aug 17, 2011
Rosetta stone wrote:
Soros says Greece and Portugal should leave euro, EU
George Soros, the US speculator turned billionaire philanthropist, has suggested both Greece and Portugal quit the European Union and the euro-zone because of their massive debts.
"One has so mishandled the Greek problem that the best way forward at present might be an orderly exit» with Greece leaving both the EU and the euro common currency, he said in an interview published Sunday by the German magazine Spiegel.
He suggested the same might go for Portugal.
"The EU and the euro would survive it,» he added.
Debt-stricken Greece and Portugal are struggling to implement eurozone and International Monetary Fund-mandated reforms, by slashing spending and raising taxes in exchange for financial aid.
Soros also suggested the time had come for eurozone members to accept the introduction of eurobonds.
"Whether you like it or not, the euro exists. And for it to function properly, countries sharing the currency must be able to refinance a large part of their debt under the same conditions.2
Berlin is opposed to the introduction of such bonds, but Soros suggested Germany, as Europe's strongest financial partner, should be responsible for defining the rules for its introduction.
Soros, who made over $1 billion by betting against the British pound in 1992, also said he had no intention of playing the market against the common european currency.
"I am certainly not betting against the euro. Because the Chinese have a huge interest in an alternative to the dollar and will do everything possible to help Europeans save it,» he said.
Both Greece and Portugal, along with Ireland, have been granted multi-billion EU-IMF rescue loans to prevent them from defaulting on their huge debts.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles...
Soros says you are TRASH. MONKEYDONKI TRASH!

“Makedon therefore E/\/\hn”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#21 Aug 17, 2011
Rosetta stone wrote:
Fix your problems first before commenting on other countries issues.
1. &#8232;[PDF] THE SHADOW ECONOMY AND CORRUPTION IN GREECEFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
2. by S KATSIOS - Cited by 3 - Related articles
3. and the vertical nature of corruption in Greece are closely connected or ... ow economy and the amount of corruption in Greece is closely connected with the ...
4. www.asecu.gr/Seeje/issue06/katsios.pdf - Similar
5. &#8232;No Wonder Greece Is Bankrupt: It's So Corrupt That Nobody Pays Any ...28 Jan 2010 ... Greek bling It's no wonder that Greece is such a financial disaster -- hardly anyone pays taxes. It's one of the most corrupt countries in ...
6. www.businessinsider.com/corruption-in-greese-... - recovery-2010-1 - Cached - Similar
7. &#8232;Greek ex-minister linked to bribery case - UPI.com 20 Apr 2011 ... German prosecutors are targeting a former Greek defense minister in a corruption probe involving the sale of four German Type 214 submarines ...
8. www.upi.com/Business.../04/.../Greek.../UPI-7... - Cached
9. &#8232;Germany Targets Greek Ex-Minister for Corruption: Report - Defense ...16 Apr 2011 ... BERLIN - German prosecutors are targeting a Greek former defense minister in a corruption probe concerning a submarine deal, the weekly Der ...
10. www.defensenews.com/story.php... ...- Cached
11. &#8232;European Debt Crisis: Greek Corruption Booming, Says Transparency ...2 Mar 2010 ... Corruption is widely regarded as one of the triggers of the Greek debt crisis threatening the euro common currency.
12. www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,68... - Similar
13. &#8232;Bribes, Corruption Suspected in Greek Submarine Order | Defense ...Procurement fraud and outright crimes have afflicted government spending and contracting since the dawn of history. There have been many recent cases of.
14. www.defenseprocurementnews.com/.../bribes-cor... - submarine-order/- Cached
15. &#8232;Greek PM says corruption at heart of crisis | Reuters1 Mar 2010 ... ATHENS (Reuters)- Corruption and impunity from prosecution lie at the heart of Greek's debt crisis, Prime Minister George Papandreou said ...
16. www.reuters.com/.../us-greece-pm-sb-idUSTRE62... - Cached
17. &#8232;Small-time corruption Greece's big problem15 May 2010 ... After 38 years on the bench of the Supreme Court, in 2005 Rakintzis was given the job of routing out corruption in Greece's notoriously ...
18. www.smh.com.au/.../smalltime-corruption-greec... - v4dw.html - Similar
19. &#8232; ekathimerini.com | Greece tops EU corruption list27 Oct 2010 ... Greece, which now shares its ranking with China, Colombia, Peru, Serbia, Thailand and Lesotho, is seen as more corrupt than Rwanda,...
www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles...0...... - Cached
Fix your problems first Monkeydonk TRASH before commenting on other countries issues.

“Makedon therefore E/\/\hn”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#22 Aug 17, 2011
Rosetta stone wrote:
p1.
To the Germans
By Nikos Konstandaras
This is not a time to flatter the Germans, nor to accuse them of past wrongs and present obsessions, nor to plead with them. We are neither friends nor enemies - we are partners. And though we are in the same boat, we hear more and more often that many Germans – from top policy makers to media moralists and opinion polls – would like to see Greece sink, like Plato’s Atlantis.
The European Union, the greatest achievement of collective humanity, is being jeopardized by the loss of nerve of a handful of politicians and economists, in Germany, in Greece, throughout our wary continent. And this at a time when simply sticking to the course hewn over the past years, with the necessary adjustments demanded by the time, may lead to a society larger, wealthier and even more beneficial to its members.
Certainly, the Greeks have done all that they can to alienate their partners: first by losing their bearings on account of the unprecedented peace and prosperity that EU membership brought a nation that repeatedly had to fight long and bloody wars for independence and unity, whose harsh land was geared toward creating thinkers, warriors and sailors rather than good middle-class burghers; second, through the tireless efforts of Greek zealots, who are not a few, to portray Greece as a country that wants only to take, and bothers neither with shows of gratitude nor with personal or collective responsibility.
What is happening in Greece today is the very difficult process of a society having to sort out the good and the bad and trying to build on the good, when, for generations (if not eons) individuals have been conditioned by the dogma,“my side, right or wrong.”
This is not a time to flatter the TRASH, really! It's time to tell you what you really are" T_R_A_S_H!!!
Australos

Mount Waverley, Australia

#23 Aug 17, 2011
Spartan wrote:
No response from the baboon side, of course !!!
Credit where credit is due; after all Rosetta Psoletta did post the usual cut and paste that has no bearing on the topic at hand...

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