Trade between Magic and Nets for Dool...

Trade between Magic and Nets for Dooling nearing completion

There are 155 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Jul 21, 2008, titled Trade between Magic and Nets for Dooling nearing completion. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

A sign and trade deal between the Orlando Magic and New Jersey Nets for Magic guard Keyon Dooling is moving closer to completion, an NBA source told the Sentinel Monday.

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LMAO

AOL

#1 Jul 21, 2008
Thanks Kyle. Only thing I'm still wondering is whether anyone with the Magic has told Otis yet?

:)
T-Rav

Titusville, FL

#2 Jul 21, 2008
Dooling was gonna leave anyhow. At least now we'll get something in return.

It's a shame, though - I liked having him on the team. Good luck to him.
Solar Bear

Winter Garden, FL

#3 Jul 21, 2008
If we can spend a $3.3 million trade exception and stay under the luxury tax threshold, then we could have just as easily signed Keyon at that price. Perhaps Otis is only going to use part of the exception to go after Crittenton, but that would mean carrying 4 SGs.

I still think Keyon could have been treated better, but it is clear that Otis isn't done dealing. He now has 4 pieces (in addition to draft picks) to work with:

1) Bogans expiring contract
2) JJ Redick
3) Brian Cook
4) the $3.3 million trade exception (which can't be combined with #1-#3).

It's obvious he's searching for another point guard and a power forward. I expect most of us will be pleased with our new roster when it is finished.
d12rocks

Newnan, GA

#4 Jul 21, 2008
i bet if we keep our 2009 draft pick otis will go after either sam young or tyler smith. you heard it here first. hey hoopsfan2009 have you heard any rumors lately.
d12rocks

Newnan, GA

#5 Jul 21, 2008
i really like the way our roster is shaping out. orlando magic nba champions 2009
Michael in Ocoee

United States

#6 Jul 21, 2008
LMAO wrote:
Thanks Kyle. Only thing I'm still wondering is whether anyone with the Magic has told Otis yet?
:)
Otis is not aware of this imminent trade and has no comment.
Michael in Ocoee

United States

#7 Jul 21, 2008
Solar Bear wrote:
....It's obvious he's searching for another point guard and a power forward. I expect most of us will be pleased with our new roster when it is finished.
Just not LMAO and Phillip. They don't do "pleased."
Ben

Paducah, KY

#8 Jul 21, 2008
I don't believe that the $3.3 million goes against the cap and therefore gives the Magic more money to spend prior to reaching the luxury tax.
ddddd

Ames, IA

#9 Jul 21, 2008
Solar Bear wrote:
If we can spend a $3.3 million trade exception and stay under the luxury tax threshold, then we could have just as easily signed Keyon at that price. Perhaps Otis is only going to use part of the exception to go after Crittenton, but that would mean carrying 4 SGs.
I still think Keyon could have been treated better, but it is clear that Otis isn't done dealing. He now has 4 pieces (in addition to draft picks) to work with:
1) Bogans expiring contract
2) JJ Redick
3) Brian Cook
4) the $3.3 million trade exception (which can't be combined with #1-#3).
It's obvious he's searching for another point guard and a power forward. I expect most of us will be pleased with our new roster when it is finished.
Memphis has no use for a trade exceptiion because they are already under the cap. They could create trade exceptions until doomsday. Personally I would like to see a JJ and Critendon swap or a Bogans and Crittendon swap. I think Memphis would use JJ more so than Bogans given how their roster shapes out since they sent Mike Miller to the Twolves. Don't get me wrong, JJ is no Mike Miller but JJ if given the chance will shoot 3s like no other and replace at least that aspect of Miller's game.
bobby

Lake Grove, NY

#10 Jul 21, 2008
ddddd wrote:
<quoted text>
Memphis has no use for a trade exceptiion because they are already under the cap. They could create trade exceptions until doomsday. Personally I would like to see a JJ and Critendon swap or a Bogans and Crittendon swap. I think Memphis would use JJ more so than Bogans given how their roster shapes out since they sent Mike Miller to the Twolves. Don't get me wrong, JJ is no Mike Miller but JJ if given the chance will shoot 3s like no other and replace at least that aspect of Miller's game.
thats true and all but bogans is a much better player all around. good defender, can shoot the 3 lights out when hes on and can be an additional ball handler if called upon. JJ is a great college shooter but has yet to prove it on the big stage. However JJ does create his own offense a little better than Bogans, BUT.... I would still take Bogans over JJ.
Keyon

New York, NY

#11 Jul 21, 2008
What is a trade exception?
Bob Loblaw

Fort Wayne, IN

#12 Jul 21, 2008
The wheelin and dealin continues... Now they need to get rid of JJ or Bogans and get another PG and some kind of athletic big(not Foyle).
AmpleMan

Winter Park, FL

#13 Jul 21, 2008
Can anyone tell me if the Magic giving up on Carlos Arroyo? He's 2 inches taller than Nelson, and he was the top scorer for the Puerto Rican team that just got knocked out of the qualifying for the Olympics. His 2004 team beat the U.S. in the Olympics, so he knows how to play in the pressure games. He had some pretty good games with the Magic, and he has been to the playoffs 5 of his 7 years in the league. Yo Otis, Que pasa con Carlos?
canner

United States

#14 Jul 21, 2008
Don't mind Otis - he just doesn't know how to communicate to the media. He thinks he can get away with lying to reporters (and players, for that matter). All he had to say was "NO COMMENT" - and be on his merry way...
Will-I-Am

Monroe, LA

#15 Jul 21, 2008
Solar Bear wrote:
If we can spend a $3.3 million trade exception and stay under the luxury tax threshold, then we could have just as easily signed Keyon at that price. Perhaps Otis is only going to use part of the exception to go after Crittenton, but that would mean carrying 4 SGs.
I still think Keyon could have been treated better, but it is clear that Otis isn't done dealing. He now has 4 pieces (in addition to draft picks) to work with:
1) Bogans expiring contract
2) JJ Redick
3) Brian Cook
4) the $3.3 million trade exception (which can't be combined with #1-#3).
It's obvious he's searching for another point guard and a power forward. I expect most of us will be pleased with our new roster when it is finished.
The exception can be combined w/ the other players that is the very definition of the exception see

TRADED PLAYER EXCEPTION -- This exception is used for trades, and cannot be used to sign free agents. It allows teams to acquire more salary in a trade than they send away. It also allows teams to take up to a year to complete some trades, banking a credit in the interim. This exception is discussed in detail in question numbers 68 and 69. Also see question number 20 for more information on the availability and use of this exception.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#1...
john anderson

Orlando, FL

#16 Jul 21, 2008
'Can anyone tell me if the Magic giving up on Carlos Arroyo? He's 2 inches taller than Nelson, and he was the top scorer for the Puerto Rican team that just got knocked out of the qualifying for the Olympics.'

2 inches is nothing. it would be something if he was 4. olympics games are a lot different than the nba. he hasn't done anything in the nba and thats all that matters. you have heard nothing about arroyo becuase the magic do not want him. he will sign with another team for the league minimum.
LMAO

AOL

#17 Jul 21, 2008
Michael in Ocoee wrote:
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Just not LMAO and Phillip. They don't do "pleased."
Wrong again Kemo Sabe! I do "pleased"... but I dont do "stupidity!" Which is currently rampant throughout the Magic hierarchy. In the other posts from you my friend, and my friend in Houston.... I refer you to my previous posts on the mentality of Magic Fans... basically, "we won 52 games Man!" My opinion still goes like this...Ok, lets win 53 this year and then get beat by the Raptors, 76'ers, Detroit or so on & so on.we got lucky with the Raptors after struggling with them last year... so we could get to win one game against the Piston, of which they decided to not embrass us by a sweep.

But then again... you eternal optimists keep looking for that 53 win season and the Magic not or barely making the playoffs.
Too many eastern team improvements and none of any consequence by "Duh Smith & Burp VanGundy."

Love your and O-Magics posts...shame I'm always right and you guys are always wrong!

:)

Now Kyle, do us a favor and give Otis a call or Email to verify that the deal was made by VanderWeide and that's why Otis still doesnt no it's done.
AmpleMan

Winter Park, FL

#18 Jul 21, 2008
john anderson wrote:
' 2 inches is nothing. it would be something if he was 4. olympics games are a lot different than the nba. he hasn't done anything in the nba and thats all that matters. you have heard nothing about arroyo becuase the magic do not want him. he will sign with another team for the league minimum.
Yep, I recall the Magic releasing a young point guard named Chancy Billups who went on to win an NBA Championship and MVP in 2004. Arroyo will probably sign with the Heat,(while we get stuck with Jason Williams) and he'll burn us big as they make the playoffs again.
Dan

San Antonio, TX

#19 Jul 21, 2008
Solar Bear wrote:
If we can spend a $3.3 million trade exception and stay under the luxury tax threshold, then we could have just as easily signed Keyon at that price. Perhaps Otis is only going to use part of the exception to go after Crittenton, but that would mean carrying 4 SGs.
I still think Keyon could have been treated better, but it is clear that Otis isn't done dealing. He now has 4 pieces (in addition to draft picks) to work with:
1) Bogans expiring contract
2) JJ Redick
3) Brian Cook
4) the $3.3 million trade exception (which can't be combined with #1-#3).
It's obvious he's searching for another point guard and a power forward. I expect most of us will be pleased with our new roster when it is finished.
If we trade the trade exemption for Crittenton the salary cap implication is only the amount of HIS salary, not the trade exemption. Oh and Keyon doesnt get this deal without the help of the Magic, the Nets were not going over the luxury tax threshold for him. Keyon should thank Otis...
Dan

San Antonio, TX

#20 Jul 21, 2008
ddddd wrote:
<quoted text>
Memphis has no use for a trade exceptiion because they are already under the cap.
Thats not entirely true. Memphis could add a player of value up to $3.3M, or trade the exemption to add a first round draft pick, which is completely allowable with a TE.

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