Take heart, Bulls fans: 1st time coac...

Take heart, Bulls fans: 1st time coaching can be charm

There are 34 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jun 10, 2008, titled Take heart, Bulls fans: 1st time coaching can be charm. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Doc Rivers had no previous experience when Orlando hired him in 1999, but he won Coach of the Year honors after his first season and now is in the NBA Finals with Boston.

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bullseye8ball

Carson, CA

#1 Jun 10, 2008
Message to Bulls fans: don't think you will be competitive for several years as all the players and coaches are in a "learning mode".- Question: What about getting people that are proven winners? Answer: They either cost too much or don't fit with the "PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW AS AN ORGANIZATION" ala John Paxson...so much baloney.
Trent Trucker

Bloomingdale, IL

#2 Jun 10, 2008
Several pertinent questions raised by the story:
1) If league coaching experience isn't crucial for the NBA's second or third largest media market team, why not try something different ... get a good local high school basketball coach and let them have a shot at the Bulls?
2) Why not let a real basketball intelligent fan take on the Bulls head coach role .... I think there are many people on this "blog" who feel they are as competent as VDN and would be willing to save Reinsdorf a ton of money ... perhaps a much more crucial ($) factor in the coach search?
3) Have we really committed to Derrick Rose already even pre-Berto Center tryout? Why is everyone so smugly confident that Rose trumps Beasley in value to the Bulls?
4) As long as the nimrods in this city continue to fill the United Center seats at Bulls games, expect very little change in the way this franchise does business ....
5) How can Bulls fans demonstrate their disdain over the 6 month coach replacement fiasco ...? Join me up at the Bradley Center where you pay less money, get better seats, and enjoy a comparable basketball entertainment product to the Bulls, and feel better about giving your hard-earned money to a U.S. Senator (Herb Kohl)... rather than a guy named Reinsdorf ... lol
BullySixChicago

United States

#3 Jun 11, 2008
Trent Trucker wrote:
Several pertinent questions raised by the story:
1) If league coaching experience isn't crucial for the NBA's second or third largest media market team, why not try something different ... get a good local high school basketball coach and let them have a shot at the Bulls?
2) Why not let a real basketball intelligent fan take on the Bulls head coach role .... I think there are many people on this "blog" who feel they are as competent as VDN and would be willing to save Reinsdorf a ton of money ... perhaps a much more crucial ($) factor in the coach search?
3) Have we really committed to Derrick Rose already even pre-Berto Center tryout? Why is everyone so smugly confident that Rose trumps Beasley in value to the Bulls?
4) As long as the nimrods in this city continue to fill the United Center seats at Bulls games, expect very little change in the way this franchise does business ....
5) How can Bulls fans demonstrate their disdain over the 6 month coach replacement fiasco ...? Join me up at the Bradley Center where you pay less money, get better seats, and enjoy a comparable basketball entertainment product to the Bulls, and feel better about giving your hard-earned money to a U.S. Senator (Herb Kohl)... rather than a guy named Reinsdorf ... lol
who are you angry at Pax? Jerry Or Vinny? Or did your hs coach tell you that he could do the job? or did you even play hs ball? A lot of opinions which everyone has what will be your opinion if vinny is successful?
BullySixChicago

United States

#4 Jun 11, 2008
bullseye8ball wrote:
Message to Bulls fans: don't think you will be competitive for several years as all the players and coaches are in a "learning mode".- Question: What about getting people that are proven winners? Answer: They either cost too much or don't fit with the "PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW AS AN ORGANIZATION" ala John Paxson...so much baloney.
so what are you if not a Bulls fan are you now now letting us know even with that name that you are a closet laker fan? Proven winners I guess Pat Riley was a proven winner when he took over the Lakers top job what experience did patty have when he took over the lakers? What experince did you have before you did what you are doing?
Bulls fan

United States

#5 Jun 11, 2008
This article is a joke to Chicago Tribune, trying to defend what Sun-times had wrote about the Bulls decision. If Paxson and Jerry think Vinny is good then how come the Suns didn't hire him as a couch ? Suns needed couch after Mike signed with the Knicks, Kerr had interviewed him but wasn't the ideal candidate.
hydeparkLuke

United States

#6 Jun 11, 2008
try 0-15....paxson gets FIRED and del negro starts "flopping" and blaming everyone else for the bad start
Tom

United States

#7 Jun 11, 2008
Here are other examples of current first time coaches/managers in other sports in Chicago:

- Ozzie Guillen (World Series winner).
- Lovie Smith (Super Bowl)
- Denis Savard (Furure Stanley Cup Champs!)
a regular guy

Chicago, IL

#8 Jun 11, 2008
People who drive SUV's and luxury cars should pay more for gas than those you drive Toyota's and other high-milage per gallon vehicles.

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#9 Jun 11, 2008
Like yesterday when some bloggers were comparing Del Negro to Phil Jackson -- I'm taking issue with K.C.'s comparisons to Larry Bird and Avery Johnson's first forays into coaching. K.C. does draw an ample comparison with Doc Rivers as that 1999 Magic squad had a lot of young players in Maggette and Pat Garity, etc., but Bird and Johnson both inherited teams with talent and proven leaders. Bird had Reggie Miller, Rik Smits, Mark Jackson and Chris Mullin - Johnson had Dirk, Michael Finley and enough talented players to get to the finals.

Vinny has half of that if not any of it. Bird was a tremendous player who knows a thing or two about what it takes to be successful in the NBA. Johnson was an assistant under Don Nelson and was groomed for the position - Vinny was a scout and then boosted to assistant GM (to Steve Kerr of all people). Granted, the Suns are a dominant team, but I don't think Vinny had to do too much to do with its assembly. So no, K.C. this article doesn't make me think that this decision by Pax and Reinsdorf was anything less than a cheap way out of a garbage search for a coach. And when you consider the other candidates - Chuck Person and Blake - Del Negro, was I guess, the only one in there with half a brain and obviously one that Pax could control.

The next question is - what's with this roster and how is Vinny going to field a competitor?
Mack the knife

Beirut, Lebanon

#10 Jun 11, 2008
Everyone should calm down here. Give the guy a chance. This is a good young team and I think they will be fine. 45 wins at least and oh yes Rose definitely.....I can understand the frustration though.
Jay

Gary, IN

#11 Jun 11, 2008
This whole situation tells me they were never really serious about winning (No Gasol, No KG) and are in rebuilding mode (again). Paxson/Reinsdorf knows Hughes, Gordon, Deng, Noah, and Tyrus will not listen to VDN and will have to be traded at some point in the offseason. Plus by them getting the top pick, they can brag about a new franchise player and a new "Bulls" era (again). Also, in comparing VDN to all the other first time coaches, the other guys were Hall of Fame leaders or true point guards that had to run their teams. He was just an ok shooting guard.
Jim

United States

#12 Jun 11, 2008
It's a shame that Reinsdorf cannot be fired, he would have gone long time right after the dynasty. He should sell the team and enjoy his beloved White Sox, Bulls fans deserve more than this.
Dee

United States

#13 Jun 11, 2008
There's a big difference between Bird, Doc and this Vinny guy.
American First

Gwynn Oak, MD

#14 Jun 11, 2008
And that is why: Isaiah Thomas, Avery Johnson should have been given the Bulls Job. At least Avery Johnston. Im through with the Bulls. I ain't watching dem no mo.
Everyone is dumb

Chicago, IL

#16 Jun 11, 2008
Tom wrote:
Here are other examples of current first time coaches/managers in other sports in Chicago:
- Ozzie Guillen (World Series winner).
- Lovie Smith (Super Bowl)
- Denis Savard (Furure Stanley Cup Champs!)
Good point, but Vinny hasn't even had experience as an ASSISTANT. I'm pretty sure Ozzie did and Lovie was D-Coordinator for the Rams.
Dan k

Elmhurst, IL

#17 Jun 11, 2008
You are forgetting one thing, all those coaches you mentioned were allstar-ish players in the NBA, which means they've played at a high calibre potential for years.. In order to get a young team to buckle down and get the job done you are going to need an experienced mentor that has been there and done it all, not someone who's learning right along with you..

Rookies coaching rookies is not the route to go... Its been done several times and has failed more than times than it's worked..

Unless the trade rumor is true, with us bringing in D.Wade for the first round pick, this will be another hopeless season.. How the heck can an assistant gm with no nba coaching experience coach a player with no nba playing experience??? what a joke, I know I wouldn't listen to him unless he walked a mile in my shoes!
Dee

United States

#18 Jun 11, 2008
D Wade...stay where you are.
BJr

Chicago, IL

#19 Jun 11, 2008
Dan k wrote:
You are forgetting one thing, all those coaches you mentioned were allstar-ish players in the NBA, which means they've played at a high calibre potential for years.. In order to get a young team to buckle down and get the job done you are going to need an experienced mentor that has been there and done it all, not someone who's learning right along with you..
Rookies coaching rookies is not the route to go... Its been done several times and has failed more than times than it's worked..
Unless the trade rumor is true, with us bringing in D.Wade for the first round pick, this will be another hopeless season.. How the heck can an assistant gm with no nba coaching experience coach a player with no NBA playing experience??? what a joke, I know I wouldn't listen to him unless he walked a mile in my shoes!
Dan K you exhibit the exact problem that is wrong with professional sports today! Forst off you play for the love of the game not the coach! Secondly these clowns are making millions of $$ to play a game, so suck it up and play the [email protected] game! It's a cop out for any player or any fan to try and say they wont respect this guy. He might not have been an all-star player, but he was far from a bum too. He managed to ahng around the league for 11 years, avg almost 10ppg during that span for guys like Popovich in SA, so he must have been doing something right. Half of the goofs on the Bulls roster would be lucky to have a career of his tenure with his stats. Many of them are on their way out of the NBA if they don¬ít gorw up and start playing like they are paid to do.

Again, I'll agree that this hire by the Bulls is confusing to say the least, but half of the people who post on the reasons why they don't like this hire are some of the most illogical arguments that I have ever heard.

People who keep asking why didn't the Suns hire him, "LEARN TO READ!". Kerr clearly stated that he felt that he needed a VETERAN cocach for his VETERAN team! We are not a VETERAN team so to compare what the Suns did to what we have done (what in the hell are we doing anyway ?)is apples to oranges.

Also I remind you all that most of the same folks who post are full of doom and gloom had the same outlook for the White Sox prior to the season. Oh Jerry Reinsdorf is sooo cheap (although he is), Kenny Williams is clueless, his 2005 WS was a fluke. Well to all of those expert (professional writers included) guess what YOU WERE WRONG !!!(at least so far), and although the chances are slim you might be wrong again. Give the guy a chance before you point the finger!

Finally to all of you people who post things like "i'm never watching again", or this is it, all I can say is SEE YA! Most of you were never real fans anyways, just along for the ride while we were winning. If you are a fan then be a FAN and stop all of the whinning!
Joe

Ashburn, VA

#20 Jun 11, 2008
Everyone is dumb wrote:
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Good point, but Vinny hasn't even had experience as an ASSISTANT. I'm pretty sure Ozzie did and Lovie was D-Coordinator for the Rams.
True, Ozzie was coach for the 2003 World Series champ Marlins and Lovie was the D-coordinator with the Rams. But if are looking at first time HEAD coaches, then you forgot one. DA COACH!('85 Super Bowl Champs)
American First

Gwynn Oak, MD

#21 Jun 11, 2008
He'll be okay, he's a "white boy". As this society goes: White boy's are given the "opportunity" to fail. Non white's are not given an opportunity at all; unless of course, they get a civil right's law passed; which then create's: equal opportunity employer; affirmitive action; which make's white's mad, because they can't have the whole dangon Pie. Crazy world..but, this is why the Italian "Vinny" get's the job. He is a white guy, which means he's intelligent, a student of the game, his dad was a great man; he played for North Carolina state's coach "V". All the intangible's that don't add up to nothing but "NO Experience" but, his white skin and his dream. And the white media goes right along with it. If they hired Isaih Thomas, a Chicago native, a great basketball player at all levels, a championship star player at all levels; a great coach at Indiana pro team; a coach who took a losing squad of the New York Knicks. Don't tell me Vinny know's more about coaching than Issaih? Playa Racist hater's.

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