Carlisle faces undeniable fate, one t...

Carlisle faces undeniable fate, one that he doesn't deserve

There are 99 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Apr 19, 2007, titled Carlisle faces undeniable fate, one that he doesn't deserve. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Rick Carlisle knew. How could he not know? As he stood in the hallway outside Indiana's locker room, chatting before the franchise's most meaningless regular-season finale in years, the Pacers coach shrugged ...

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dave in the wood

Indianapolis, IN

#85 Apr 19, 2007
We saw what a great team needs to have to succeed over the last 20 years. some genious has to come to Indy and find a discount REGGIE somewhere, and a couple of cheap DALE DAVISes and a smart old point guard who will work for peanuts and beer. otherwise.....we're screwed.
Dean Thomas

Los Altos, CA

#86 Apr 19, 2007
You are right. The problem is not the coach. The problem is the front office; and it is an ongoing problem, as proven by the mid-season trade with the Warriors. We long-time fans of the W's had long since tired of the immobility and unreliability of both Dunleavey and Murphy. They were backups after the first game of the current Don Nelson era. The W's would have dumped them for cap relief alone. But we got significant cap relief AND two dynamic, productive starters in Jackson and Harrington. Have you seen how hard those guys have been playing the last two weeks? Dunk you very much Larry and Donnie. You have helped restore the Warriors to the playoffs for the first time in 13 years. And what are the Pacers doing next week?
Purdue Grad

Glendale, CA

#87 Apr 19, 2007
No NBA wrote:
I can't watch the NBA anymore. Who cares what the thugs do. Close it down, and rent out Conseco as a flea market.
I'm not surprised you don't watch the NBA. Atlanta hasn't had an NBA team in 20 years. And enough with the thugs thing. You are judging the entire league based on the actions of a few.

Jasper, IN

#88 Apr 19, 2007
Bob hit the nail on the head with this one. Best of luck to Carlisle where ever he ends up.

United States

#89 Apr 19, 2007
Carlisle is probably better suited to be a college coach. His micromanagement style does not work with NBA players. He had to put up with a bunch of jackasses on his team, but he will be fired. I doubt he will be missed by many. Bird, on the other hand, just isn't that bright of a guy. Is he actually going to negotiate salaries when Walsh retires? That will be interesting. If we get the number three pick this year Bird will probably trade it for Harrington.

Frankfort, IN

#90 Apr 19, 2007
Have you ever seen Jermaine run the floor on the break? He's not exactly Amare Stoudamire...

United States

#91 Apr 19, 2007
Maybe if Carlisle had been one to generate loyalty (like Coach Dungy) we wouldn't have incidents like Club Rio and other embarrasments that the players have dealt to the long time fans. You seldom see anything from him, good or bad. You say he is the fall guy, I say he has more to do with it than you think!
Tim Taylor

Indianapolis, IN

#92 Apr 19, 2007
Rick Carlisle can coach. He's proven that. Of course, good players make for good coaches. That's where Larry Bird comes in. He has brought in players that Carlisle can't coach and kept players (Jamaal Tinsley) that possibly no coach could coach. With a steady, reliable point guard and a decent shooting guard (maybe Danny Granger, with Shawne Williams at SF?) the Pacers might be better. And as far as players tuning out a coach after 3 years, that's just Bird's opinion. Jerry Sloan, for example, seems to be able to keep his team's attention year after year. I think jumping to the conclusion that Carlisle needs to go when the blame for the mess the Pacers have become should be shared, isn't fair and may not help the team.

Jeffersonville, OH

#93 Apr 19, 2007
Rick made more our of nothing when you consider all the crap he has had thrown at him since he arrived. I'd give him a medal. I think some of the players let him down more than he ever did!

Jeffersonville, OH

#94 Apr 19, 2007
Marcia wrote:
Maybe if Carlisle had been one to generate loyalty (like Coach Dungy) we wouldn't have incidents like Club Rio and other embarrasments that the players have dealt to the long time fans. You seldom see anything from him, good or bad. You say he is the fall guy, I say he has more to do with it than you think!
Well like the ole saying goes, "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear"......those invovled with unlawful activity are nothing more than thugs with money. Rick did best he could with all the outside extraneous crap being thrown his way.
I will say too, Donnie and larry didn't step up and shame on them!
Coming Home

New York, NY

#95 Apr 19, 2007
They say a homecoming and cure problems. I know Zach Randolph and Bonzi Wells have had issues, but I would give them a chance to play here. I met Bonzi at a barbershop in Muncie, and found him to be a likable guy. He has done many kind acts for the Muncie Boys and Girls club.
Birds MESS

Florence, KY

#96 Apr 19, 2007
I'm not a big fan of Carlisle as a head coach. Good X's and O's guy, but doesn't seem to be much of a motivator. It'd be nice to know where this franchise would be if Bird wouldn't have come on board. Lots of bad luck starting with the brawl but also alot of bad decisions. Bird is too arrogant to be a GM.

United States

#97 Apr 19, 2007
About the same time of year the Titanic hit an Iceberg ! The captain was in charge ... period ! The Pacers hit a streak of eleven losses in a row ! At one point they were 29-24 ! Rick C. was the "Captain" of this ship ! Carlise is responsible for this horrible season ... period, and he has to walk the "plank' as a result!
As the Donald would say
... "YOUR FIRED" .
mark from lafayette

Bringhurst, IN

#98 Apr 19, 2007
Jim wrote:
If Carlisle is fired, I'll miss him. I consider him one of the better NBA coaches. But, speaking of one of the better NBA coaches, why not give another Rick another chance? Rick Adelman, that is. While his teams won't win any trophies for Best Fundametals, he coaches an exciting game, he has a reputation for getting along well with players and for getting the most out them, taking team after team deep into the playoffs.
Right on, Jim. I think Adelman would be a very smart choice. Experience, discipline, smart, no-nonsense. I'm surprised he is not coaching right now. He is definitely someone who could help clean up the team.

Erlanger, KY

#99 Apr 19, 2007
If the Pacers aren't going to fire Bird. They should make him come back and coach this team.

Jeffersonville, OH

#100 Apr 20, 2007
Tom H wrote:
The problem is not just with the Pacers, but with the entire leaugue! You have a bunch of high $$$$ thugs who do not know how to act now tha tthey have some money. It is as though they revert back to their childhood and think rules no longer apply to them. As my wife likes to say; "the Cubs are lovable losers, the Pacers are just losers."
I would have to agree with you. Reggie Miller spoke about these guys and their public outings-public behavior being totally out of line and it continued,,,,now, it is time to clean it up and I think they need to start at the top of the NBA. I mean look, these guys are makin big bux; are rolemodels for kids and the professionalism has to be brought back to the sport. The thugs (not just on the pacer team) gotta go. You mess up, ya gotta go.


#101 Apr 20, 2007
Rick just happened to join our team at the wrong time.......He is a good man and a good coach. Probably to good and unable to control the thugs on the Pacers team right now. I hope that Bird, Walsh etc., get rid of the troublemakers on our team and bring back class like we used to have. It can be done.........I sure would welcome Mark Jackson
marquis johnson

Shelbyville, IN

#102 Apr 22, 2007
get kevin durant in here at all cost rebuild around him
aba-days pacer supporter


#103 Apr 22, 2007
Mike Jones wrote:
I disagree Bob. I think there is a lot to like about coach Carlyle, but I think he's a big part of the problems the Pacers are currently going throug. Why? A lot of Pacers fans didn't give up on this team because of "character" issues. Everyone focuses on that but this team is boring to watch. Even when they were making runs in the playoffs, with Jermaine as the focal point and Carlyle as the coach this team was boring. People is Indiana want to to screens, ball movement, dribble penetration, etc. Not back a guy down for 25 seconds to put up a "high percentage" shot.

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